Nationalist Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 8:21 AM, betsy said: Great point from Bergen. Jagmeet Singh has been supporting Communist marches! He has no credibility criticizing Bergen when he supports communism which aims to eliminate democracy! Good girl! She has more common sense and courage that this 2-bit political failure and his hypocrisy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Indeed. Do Libbies respect Canadian heritage? Or do they condemn it? Do Libbies celebrate normal sexuality? Or do they make every effort to marginalize it? Do Libbies respect opposing opinions? Or do they shut them down by any means necessary? When is it ok to fight back? censorship is a terrible way to fight back what good is beating the "libbies" if you have to become the "libbies" to do it? find a better way to fight back one where you don't abandon core principles to do it Edited March 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: censorship is a terrible way to fight back what good is beating the "libbies" if you have to become the "libbies" to do it? find a better way to fight back one where you don't abandon core principles to do it We tried that. They declared martial law an utterly destroyed many who's crime was horn honking and clogging up the Canadian swamp. Any EFFECTIVE options would be welcome but...we've tried them already and the Libbies just get nastier. Are you proposing we sit by and watch this nation become a bastion of nonsense? Watch our children be taught they need multiple pronouns? Call ourselves free while watching our freedom be eroded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Nationalist said: We tried that. They declared martial law an utterly destroyed many who's crime was horn honking and clogging up the Canadian swamp. Any EFFECTIVE options would be welcome but...we've tried them already and the Libbies just get nastier. Are you proposing we sit by and watch this nation become a bastion of nonsense? Watch our children be taught they need multiple pronouns? Call ourselves free while watching our freedom be eroded? I'm suggesting that censorship is a stupid and ineffective way to fight the "Libbies" on top of violating core principles if you can't come up with a better response than that, your imagination sucks, and you're a giant hypocrite copying the other sides most counterproductive tactics is dumb af it's a clear sign of weakness and lack of discipline and it is abandoning the moral high ground becoming a fascist to fight communism is the Hitler gameplan the commies want you take that bait and play by their rules don't play into their hands and give them the satisfaction why would give them control over what you support by caving into being a reactionary? Edited March 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 Odd fellow that Jimmy. He's fine with Red China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: I'm suggesting that censorship is a stupid and ineffective way to fight the "Libbies" on top of violating core principles if you can't come up with a better response than that, your imagination sucks, and you're a giant hypocrite copying the other sides most counterproductive tactics is dumb af it's a clear sign of weakness and lack of discipline and it is abandoning the moral high ground becoming a fascist to fight communism is the Hitler gameplan the commies want you take that bait and play by their rules don't play into their hands and give them the satisfaction why would give them control over what you support by caving into being a reactionary? And what's your gameplan? Wait them out? Hope for the best? Hey maybe the CCP will, all of the sudden, become conservative again? And while we wait for all that to happen, we can what? Claim a moral high-ground? Oh pl...ease. So come on then...your plan? How do you discredit the policies and actions of these fine Libbies, when they have the Canadian media in their pockets? They play a dirty game and do it with twisted sound-bytes and prey on peoples' feelings. Pain, suffering, bigotry, and a level of pure disdain for society and culture that are down right sick. This is the messaging and the sound-bytes Canadians hear. This is the ideology that's being foist upon them. And this is where the confrontation is. So...gameplan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: that includes the Nazi flag if you're a true conservative free speech is at the top of the list of things to conserve whether one agrees with that speech or finds it offensive, doesn't change the equation So you figure Nazis are big defenders of free speech and that's why comparing/equating/associating true conservatives to them is appropriate? If you say so. Hitler Youth members burn books. Photograph dated 1938. World History Archive / Alamy Stock Photo Edited March 3, 2022 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 10 hours ago, eyeball said: So you figure Nazis are big defenders of free speech and that's why comparing/equating/associating true conservatives to them is appropriate? If you say so. Hitler Youth members burn books. Photograph dated 1938. World History Archive / Alamy Stock Photo when did I say that? just because the Nazi's hate free speech doesn't mean their speech should be censored derp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Nationalist said: And what's your gameplan? Wait them out? Hope for the best? Hey maybe the CCP will, all of the sudden, become conservative again? And while we wait for all that to happen, we can what? Claim a moral high-ground? Oh pl...ease. So come on then...your plan? How do you discredit the policies and actions of these fine Libbies, when they have the Canadian media in their pockets? They play a dirty game and do it with twisted sound-bytes and prey on peoples' feelings. Pain, suffering, bigotry, and a level of pure disdain for society and culture that are down right sick. This is the messaging and the sound-bytes Canadians hear. This is the ideology that's being foist upon them. And this is where the confrontation is. So...gameplan? build new institutions and keep the enemy from contaminating them the old ones they have taken over have decayed beyond repair it's a long war, it's gonna take a while the idea that they can be defeated over night when it took them decades to take over the institutions is naive wishful thinking taking over the institutions with credibility was how they succeeded destroying the credibility of those institutions is the seeds of their downfall don't copy the unsuccessful counterproductive strategy that squanders the gains they've made copy the successful one that resulted in the gains in the first place rebuild and defend don't become the enemy to defeat the enemy the long march through the institutions > repressive tolerance Edited March 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: when did I say that? just because the Nazi's hate free speech doesn't mean their speech should be censored derp I wouldn't lose any sleep over Nazi nonsense disappearing soon. It's just that when you respond to someone's comment about true conservatives celebrating the right to express themselves and say that includes the Nazi flag - mixing Nazis and conservatives and free speech altogether in the same post like that make you come off looking like Whoppi Goldberg and, well you said it...derp. At least I learned a new word here today thanks! Edited March 4, 2022 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I support the cultural headgear you sport, though it is a foreign symbol. True conservatives celebrate the right to express yourself. Well, at least people who believe in liberal democracy and "freedom". A lot of people come to Canada because they can't practice their religion in their old country. Like Sikhs, minorities in China etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: I wouldn't lose any sleep over Nazi nonsense disappearing soon. It's just that when you respond to someone's comment about true conservatives celebrating the right to express themselves and say that includes the Nazi flag - mixing Nazis and conservatives and free speech altogether in the same post like that make you come off looking like Whoppi Goldberg and, well you said it...derp. At least I learned a new word here today thanks! true conservatives support everyone's right to free speech not just people and groups that they like and agree with the latter is the left Edited March 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: true conservatives support everyone's right to free speech Guess what that makes me then? Thanks a lot for associating me with Nazi's. No edible or beer for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: Guess what that makes me then? Thanks a lot for associating me with Nazi's. No edible or beer for you. supporting Nazi's right to free speech is not associating with Nazi's derp Edited March 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: supporting Nazi's right to free speech is not associating with Nazi's No but associating Nazi rights to free speech with true conservatives is a really stupid way to express that. I know you're perfectly free to continue doing so just as I have every right to continue pointing out what a pile of shit you're making of your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: supporting Nazi's right to free speech is not associating with Nazi's derp Canadians are so scared of freedom now that they don’t believe in free speech. We have a very weak civil liberties lobby in Canada. It basically means that a category of speech has been created in Canada for “unacceptable views” that can then be defined by whoever is in charge. That’s what Bill C-11 can do. Of course Nazism equals bad. The sky is blue. Somehow some people feel a need to find Nazism in anyone who disagrees with them. Well guess what? Only Nazis are Nazis. What’s more, terrible as they may be, if they aren’t committing crimes but choose to prance around in Hitler get-ups and spew anti-Semitism, we’re free to ridicule them. That’s what’s a society with free speech does. Targeting people and insulting them is harassment and there are ways to prevent people from being abused by applying laws that don’t make reference to “hate speech.” People who spew such hateful garbage are incredibly self destructive and society will rightfully shun them. Edited March 4, 2022 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: No but associating Nazi rights to free speech with true conservatives is a really stupid way to express that. I know you're perfectly free to continue doing so just as I have every right to continue pointing out what a pile of shit you're making of your right. no it isn't if you don't defend your political enemies right to free speech then you aren't pro-free speech you're a fraud pretending to care about free speech when really you care about stripping your political enemies of their rights to virtue signal how bad you think they are Edited March 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: no it isn't if you don't defend your political enemies right to free speech then you aren't pro-free speech Canada is living under a left wing dictatorship in the midst of a Mao-style cultural revolution. Asking for a basic human right like free speech is too much to bear for the revolutionaries who won’t accept constitutional rights for people with different points of view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Canada is living under a left wing dictatorship in the midst of a Mao-style cultural revolution. Asking for a basic human right like free speech is too much to bear for the revolutionaries who won’t accept constitutional rights for people with different points of view. just a few years ago I was the one saying that and you called me crazy nice to have you on the team Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: no it isn't if you don't defend your political enemies right to free speech then you aren't pro-free speech That's right. Quote you're a fraud pretending to care about free speech when really you care about stripping your political enemies of their rights to virtue signal how bad you think they are Nazis are more like an existential enemy but in any case I'm just pointing out that associating true conservatives with them the way you did seems like a particularly dumb way to defend the virtues of free speech. Of course you're perfectly free to do so. Edited March 4, 2022 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: That's right. Nazis are more like an existential enemy but in any case I'm just pointing out that associating true conservatives with them the way you did seems like a particularly dumb way to defend the virtues of free speech. Of course you're perfectly free to do so. there was no such association made the association was with true conservatives and the defense of free speech apparently you are too dumb to understand the obvious difference Edited March 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) On 2/18/2022 at 9:10 AM, Michael Hardner said: It would be fine if the far-right focused their efforts on whether to allow Nazi flags or not. That would be a fitting issue for them on which to stake their reputation with the Canadian people. Why? Do you think eliminating flags would eliminate the ideology behind the flag? I'd rather welcome seeing flag-carrying people (translate: TRANSPARENCY), and know which ones to avoid. It would be nice if far-left folks thinks things through and don't get carried away by their emotions. Don't let yourselves be triggered by.............flags! Edited March 4, 2022 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) On 2/17/2022 at 1:48 PM, TreeBeard said: Do you think these are important Canadian symbols of freedom? The fact that they are able to wave them openly, is a symbol of freedom! Does something have to mean anything for you to approve what is to be waved? Lol! Don't you see the wrong in that kind of mentality? It's dictatorial - like, you can control what people want to wave! Anything that doesn't meet your approval has to banned! Edited March 4, 2022 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 4:45 PM, Nexii said: NDP is tanking hard in the polls, see Nanos's most recent. They've betrayed the working class. I completely get why they are in such decline as I have supported them in the past (no longer). This means they'll cling onto power even harder by supporting the Liberals. They're broke and can't afford another election on top of low polling numbers. NDP is just a party that props up the Liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) On 3/2/2022 at 11:09 PM, Moonlight Graham said: If you own a Nazi flag you're probably a Nazi supporter. Same with the confed flag. Not necessarily. You could be a far-left that infiltrated the convoy, in order to promote the smear- narrative that the Libs are promoting. Anyway, why would a nazi supporter want to hurt the convoy by doing such a thing? What is to be gained by that? Edited March 4, 2022 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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