No longer a democracy

[myata]

The Emergency Act has been invoked by an entrenched Prime Minister to quell peaceful protests of citizens.

Purported "representatives" silently voted. "Opposition" could not be found. Judiciary has nothing to do with it.

This is what it looks, tastes and then, has to be like. This looks like what they do in Iran, China and other such places. Minus brutality of course, yet. But who gives guarantees here? Where do you see them, the guarantees?

This question was asked not so long back, and now we have the answer: No. Canada is no longer a democracy.

Czars and kings, and dictators too were elected. Elections aren't synonymous with democracy.

Dictators had near perfect ratings. Opinion polls are not necessarily a democracy.

Today Justin Trudeau is clearly showing us, the country and the world what Canada is in truth, essence and the reality. That there are no limits nor checks on the executive power. There's no limits to powers it can appoint to itself by a simple and formal act of "voting" by parliamentary "employees" (sic).

And if only for that, his name should go in the history. It was such a pretty, colorful dream.

Edited February 15, 2022 by myata

[Yzermandius19]

15 minutes ago, myata said:

The Emergency Act has been invoked by an entrenched Prime Minister to quell peaceful protests of citizens.

Purported "representatives" silently voted. "Opposition" cannot be found. Judiciary has nothing to do with it.

This is what it looks, tastes and then, has to be like. This looks like what they do in Iran, China and other such places. Minus brutality of course, yet. But who gives guarantees here? Where do you them, the guarantees?

This question was asked not so long back, and now we have the answer: No. Canada is no longer a democracy.

Czars and kings were elected. Election is not the same as a democracy.

Dictators had near perfect ratings. Opinion polls are not necessarily a democracy.

Today Trudeau is clearly showing us, the country and the world what Canada is in truth, essence and the reality. That there are no limits nor checks on the executive power. There's no limits to powers it can appoint to itself by a simple and formal act of "voting" by "employees" (sic).

And if only for that, his name should go in the history. It was such a pretty, colorful dream.

democracy refers to elections

democracy does not imply that a country is free

just that leadership is elected by the masses

if the masses are against freedom, it's still a democracy

Edited February 15, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[myata]

This is 21st century and the technology of authoritarianism moved far ahead. Now they don't need to destroy undesired individuals physically; enough is to destroy their normal lives and that they can do with self-appointed powers many times over. There's no checks nor limits on when and how they can do that. This is no democracy.

If nothing else (which is far from certain at this time) the protesters already succeeded in making this patently clear. Kudos to them for that. The truth, however painful can never be wrong.

[Yzermandius19]

13 minutes ago, myata said:

This is 21st century and the technology of authoritarianism moved far ahead. Now they don't need to destroy undesired individuals physically; enough is to destroy their normal lives and that they can do with self-appointed powers many times over. There's no checks nor limits on when and how they can do that. This is no democracy.

If nothing else (which is far from certain at this time) the protesters already succeeded in making this patently clear. Kudos to them for that. The truth, however painful can never be wrong.

checks and balances are to mitigate democracy

a democracy can be authoritarian and still be a democracy

democracy is not synonymous with freedom

you seem to be confusing democracy for else

democracy is simply majority rule

Edited February 15, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[myata]

14 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you seem to be confusing democracy for else

We don't call Hitler's state a democracy, neither China or Russia they all have or had the support of majority. You are free of course to call them that, but it's far from a democracy I would like to live in.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

We don't call Hitler's state a democracy, neither China or Russia they all have or had the support of majority. You are free of course to call them that, but it's far from a democracy I would like to live in.

Hitler was elected in a democracy

democracy is not universally good

democracy can be a very bad thing

and often is

Russia is a democracy

Edited February 15, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[myata]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Russia is a democracy

China has to be too. They have elections not parties, but that's a technical detail. And now we are the same kind of democracy. Congrats to us.

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, myata said:

China has to be too. They have elections not parties, but that's a technical detail. And now we are the same kind of democracy. Congrats to us.

democracy is overrated

and it's downsides need to be guarded against

the problem with Canada isn't that it isn't democratic enough

it's that it's too democratic

and those downsides aren't mitigated enough

[myata]

There's no problem of democracy, only that of the citizens. Democracy does not work with passive, self-absorbed and careless population. It just never happened before. The pueblo has authoritarian self-righteous rulers that manage it for its own good (and needn't mentioning, appropriate compensation of labors), and sometimes they're OK at times good and on occasion, terrible. As the luck would lie. Pueblo knows that and accepts. Nothing else is new here.

Edited February 15, 2022 by myata

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, myata said:

There's no problem of democracy, only that of the citizens. Democracy does not work with passive, self-absorbed and careless population. It just never happened before. The pueblo has authoritarian self-righteous rulers that manage it for its own good (and needn't mentioning, appropriate compensation of labors), and sometimes they're OK at times good and on a occasion, terrible. As the luck would lie. Pueblo knows that and accepts. Nothing else is new here.

you can't count on the masses to support freedom

this is why democracy needs to be guarded against

passive, self absorbed and careless populations are the norm

it always happens, history is quite clear on that

Canada is far from the only country to fall into this democratic pitfall

there are tons of problems with democracy

Edited February 15, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[myata]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it always happens, history is quite clear on that

Indeed from the herds of great apes it has been the norm and golden standard of a human society. Again, not much new here save trinkets and adornments. Some manage it though, but no it's never easy. Maybe because it goes against the genes, nature, eons of it.

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, myata said:

Indeed from the herds of great apes it has been the norm and golden standard of a human society. Again, not much new here save trinkets and adornments. Some manage it though, but no it's never easy. Maybe because it goes against the genes, nature, eons of it.

democracy needs formidable guard rails

checks and balances

America knows

[myata]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

checks and balances

People have been trying to improve on the nature; for centuries now. And it has never been easy. Relax, grow lazy and complacent look the other way and the nature comes right back, at you.

And then some people weren't even trying, in earnest. They thought that just dreaming and writing it in the stories should do. Well, every dream has to end some time. Welcome to reality.

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, myata said:

People have been trying to improve on the nature; for centuries now. And it has never been easy. Relax, grow lazy and complacent look the other way and the nature comes right back, at you.

And then some people weren't even trying, in earnest. They thought that just dreaming and writing it in the stories should do. Well, every dream has to end some time. Welcome to reality.

Pixie-Dust and his sidekick Freeland, are going to try destroying the truckers completely. Elected by a minority, they think they have the right to do such a dishonorable thing.

In the meantime, Jagmeet "Pinky" Singh will fall inline and support this and the Conservatives have exhibited how truly spineless they really are.

So the question becomes...'What are Canadians gonna do about it?' Not one MSM outlet has come out against this. Instead, they flood the airwaves with applause. 

I think the sad truth us, Canada is full of pussies and tweenkie little backstabbers. Our hearty national stock has been diluted by an ideology that promotes dictatorial values. And the only way to correct thus disastrous path, is to have the guts to put our weight on the education system.

I've said it before and will continue to say...my votes now go to the PPC. Perhaps the last hope for a truly free and prosperous nation.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Nationalist

[myata]

30 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Pixie-Dust and his sidekick Freeland, are going to try destroying the truckers completely. Elected by a minority, they think they have the right to do such a dishonorable thing.

In the meantime, Jagmeet "Pinky" Singh will fall inline and support this and the Conservatives have exhibited how truly spineless they really are.

But are you leaving the rest out of the picture, why? They are just as much into it, it threatens their position and privileges just as much and I can almost bet that most of them voted for it (can we see that list)? It's the same, one club.

[Michael Hardner]

Dudley George - killed by a police sniper for occupation of a Provincial Park in Ontario

OKA Crisis - two fatalities

But Trudeau threatens to tow a few Western Separatists' trucks and 'Democracy is over'

 

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

But are you leaving the rest out of the picture, why? They are just as much into it, it threatens their position and privileges just as much and I can almost bet that most of them voted for it (can we see that list)? It's the same, one club.

Indeed they all are to blame. But we preach honesty and truth and the truth is, we all must accept some blame.

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Dudley George - killed by a police sniper for occupation of a Provincial Park in Ontario

OKA Crisis - two fatalities

But Trudeau threatens to tow a few Western Separatists' trucks and 'Democracy is over'

 

Nice deflection there...Mr. Conservative. People like you are sickening. You go ahead and serve your masters. But do not raise the Canadian flag. That would be an insult to Patriots. 

[myata]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

we all must accept some blame.

Of course we do, who else is here? We never bothered to build a democracy that would work for us, rather than an entitled system that works for itself and where's the surprise now?

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Of course we do, who else is here? We never bothered to build a democracy that would work for us, rather than an entitled system that works for itself and where's the surprise now?

As I was saying, it starts with the education system. I would propose this:

- Destroy the Teachers' Union.

- Re-hire teachers with a sizable raise in income.

- TEST ALL teachers yearly for competence.

- Introduce a strict curriculum that teaches academic excellence and family values.

- Seek out and remove any and all criminal elements from the schools.

- Re-introduce the pledge of allegiance at the beginning of every day and place Canadian Flags in every classroom.

- Instruct EQUALITY...not EQUITY.

That would put us on a path towards realizing our true potential. In the meantime...Pixie-Dust must go and he can take his little trashmuffin Freeland with him. I'm sure Li'l Justin's wife and kids won't mind sharing...

In the name of Libbie values...of course.

[Michael Hardner]

23 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 That would be an insult to Patriots. 

Not allowed any more laugh reactions but... love your definition of 'Patriot'.

Basically a Wexit person or White Race theorist who drives from the prairies, on American money, to annoy people who live in Ottawa because they are annoyed by wearing a mask.

There will be a Remembrance Day for them too but it will be April 1st... ?

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, myata said:

 We never bothered to build a democracy that would work for us

"We" refers to pathetic babies who live in one of the wealthiest, most egalitarian and freest countries in the world... and still complain.   

But they have to wear a mask - boo hoo - so they declare themselves Patriots and declare the government authoritarian.

I shake my head as to how we raised a generation of entitled people like this, with all we have...

[Jack9000]

damn talk about being dramatic lol democracy is fine  the right wingers on here  are so really dramaqueens it seems lol.

[West]

[Nationalist]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not allowed any more laugh reactions but... love your definition of 'Patriot'.

Basically a Wexit person or White Race theorist who drives from the prairies, on American money, to annoy people who live in Ottawa because they are annoyed by wearing a mask.

There will be a Remembrance Day for them too but it will be April 1st... ?

I'm not surprised you've already used your daily quota of reactions.

Patriot according to Webster's Dictionary:

Quote

The word patriot signifies a person who loves his or her country and is ready to boldly support and defend it. That meaning has endured since the word's arrival in English in the 16th century, but it has not marched through the years unchallenged.

See the emboldened words? It takes a pretty bold person to drive a rig across the nation and to put his or her livelihood on the line for his or her nation...wouldn't you say?

Yet you wanna link these patriots to "White Race theorist". Another really disgusting attempt by a really disgusting mind.

You...Mr. Conservative...are rust in the cogs of Canada. You perpetuate any filthy ideas, in order to serve your masters. You even lower yourself to race-baiting. I guess you didn't know that a good swath of those truckers are Natives...East Indians...Blacks and all other denominations. Or did you...

As I've said, many times now, I find you...objectionable to say the least. And any time you feel the need to man-up and debate me...I'll be here for you. I have more respect for people like Moonbox. At least such folks have principals. You...Mr. Conservative...are nothing but

Rust in the cogs of Canada.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Nationalist