Trucker's Convoy

[Shady]

Branch Covidians have become completely unhinged as they see their power dwindle in the endemic phase of covid.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Are we seeing the government turn on its own citizens for exercising their constitutional rights?  Shouldn’t the Governor General be talking to the PM about addressing the fair concerns behind the massive protests against mandates and restrictions?   If Trudeau refuses to meet with organizers and welcome an open dialogue on pandemic policies, it would be reasonable and important for the Governor General to dissolve Parliament and force an election.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[blackbird]

I don't see this ending well for the occupiers.  Trudeau has been neglecting his responsibility to act.  He should examine what his father did in 1970 during the FLQ crisis and learn how his father acted.  PM Pierre Trudeau declared the war measures act, sent in the army, and arrested hundreds of people.  If the Ottawa police chief has said repeatedly this is an insurrection and they do not have the power or resources to end it, the federal government really has no choice.  There is no other method to end a large insurrection other than using emergency measures and the army.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

I don't see this ending well for the occupiers.  Trudeau has been neglecting his responsibility to act.  He should examine what his father did in 1970 during the FLQ crisis and learn how his father acted.  PM Pierre Trudeau declared the war measures act, sent in the army, and arrested hundreds of people.  If the Ottawa police chief has said repeatedly this is an insurrection and they do not have the power or resources to end it, the federal government really has no choice.  There is no other method to end a large insurrection other than using emergency measures and the army.

Ha, if Trudeau attempts this, it will mark the end of his career as a politician.  It could lead to the dissolution of Confederation, because the West won’t accept it.  Either will rural Ontario and a good portion of urban Canada.  People come to Canada for freedom, not oppression.

[blackbird]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Are we seeing the government turn on its own citizens for exercising their constitutional rights?  Shouldn’t the Governor General be talking to the PM about addressing the fair concerns of the massive protests against mandates and restrictions?   If Trudeau refuses to meet with organizers and welcome an open dialogue on pandemic policies, it would be reasonable and important for the Governor General to dissolve Parliament and force an election.

The organizers want to overthrow the government and set up a dictatorship of their own.  They demand all restrictions and health measure be ended.  Their demands are completely outlandish and bordering on sedition.  They leave the government no choice.  There is no way the government can negotiate with a group of anarchists and come to any resolution.  The health measures are not something that can be dictated by such a group.  They left the government with no choice but to reject them.  It is kind of like the FLQ crisis where the FLQ took a cabinet minister of Quebec hostage and killed him.  This will not end well for the occupiers.

[blackbird]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Ha, if Trudeau attempts this, it will mark the end of his career as a politician.  It could lead to the dissolution of Confederation, because the West won’t accept it.  Either will rural Ontario and a good portion of urban Canada.  People come to Canada for freedom, not oppression.

The majority do not support insurrection.  This has to end or the government will be forced to act.  The longer it goes on, the more people will see the government has no choice.  Maybe that is why Trudeau is not acting right away.  Time changes things.

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The organizers want to overthrow the government and set up a dictatorship of their own.  They demand all restrictions and health measure be ended.  Their demands are completely outlandish and bordering on sedition.  They leave the government no choice.  There is no way the government can negotiate with a group of anarchists and come to any resolution.  The health measures are not something that can be dictated by such a group.  They left the government with no choice but to reject them.  It is kind of like the FLQ crisis where the FLQ took a cabinet minister of Quebec hostage and killed him.  This will not end well for the occupiers.

You’re just wrong.  The government isn’t respecting the constitution and has policies that run counter to the will of more than half the population.  If they start clearing out protestors, that will be a declaration of war by the government against its people (the Commons).  Neither the police nor the army will support that.  They are loyal to the Crown, not Trudeau. The Crown defends the Commons.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Nexii said:

 The world is becoming more authoritarian, and this protest is a backlash against it.

'The world' ?  

People are using the pandemic as an excuse to make noise about Trudeau.  There's no expectation that a conservative government would be much different, nor an NDP one since we have conservative and NDP governments and they have been pretty similar in their actions.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re just wrong.  The government isn’t respecting the constitution and has policies that run counter to the will of more than half the population.  If they start clearing out protestors, that will be a declaration of war by the government against its public.  Neither the police nor the army will support that.  They are loyal to the Crown, not Trudeau.  

If people don't think the mandates are constitutional, they can go to court and challenge them.  That is how our system works, not by occupation by thugs and insurrection.  That will never be accepted by Canadians or the government.  I suspect there are some anarchists who would like to start a civil war because they are depraved evil sorts.  But if they try, the full force of the authority and the sword will come down on them.

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

'The world' ?  

People are using the pandemic as an excuse to make noise about Trudeau.  There's no expectation that a conservative government would be much different, nor an NDP one since we have conservative and NDP governments and they have been pretty similar in their actions.

Not really.  Sometimes parties are on the right side of history on issues and sometimes they are not.  Trudeau has overplayed his hand.  He thinks that having won a minority government in September entitles him to ignore a massive opposition to his government’s current pandemic policies.  Policies can change.  If Trudeau won’t change them or justify his actions in an open debate with the opposition and protest movement, then he is behaving like an arbitrary dictator.  

Edited February 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If people don't think the mandates are constitutional, they can go to court and challenge them.  That is how our system works, not by occupation by thugs and insurrection.  That will never be accepted by Canadians or the government.  I suspect there are some anarchists who would like to start a civil war because they are depraved evil sorts.  But if they try, the full force of the authority and the sword will come down on them.

The courts are one venue in which the public can challenge policy.  Protest and influencing MLA’s in the House of Commons is another.  Appealing to the GG and Senate is another.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[blackbird]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

The courts are one venue in which the public can challenge policy.  Protest and influencing MLA’s in the House of Commons is another.  

Peaceful protest is a legitimate avenue.  Occupation, illegal actions, and insurrection are not legitimate.  What is going on in Ottawa is not peaceful process.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Peaceful protest is a legitimate avenue.  Occupation, illegal actions, and insurrection are not legitimate.  What is going on in Ottawa is not peaceful process.

According to you. 

[West]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Peaceful protest is a legitimate avenue.  Occupation, illegal actions, and insurrection are not legitimate.  What is going on in Ottawa is not peaceful process.

So you think someone who drives from BC to Ottawa, has the PM fake an illness, PM slings mud from behind a camera, should just turn around and go home after driving 4 or 5 days to get there?

You likely haven't missed a paycheck in the past two years. People have lost businesses, parts of their childhood, autonomy over their own bodies, and their source of livelihood. Just because you lack empathy doesn't make their concerns less valid

Edited February 6, 2022 by West

[CITIZEN_2015]

This is not freedom of assembly. This is occupation. This is not freedom of expression. This is extortion. 

I dare that truckers convoy organizers put their demand in writing so that those minority people who blindly supporting them realize that the agenda of this people is not just to end covid mandates but it is anti-establishment, anarchist style overthrow of government and wish to take over the country and establish dictatorial  rule.

[DogOnPorch]

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is not freedom of assembly. This is occupation. This is not freedom of expression. This is extortion. 

I dare that truckers convoy organizers put their demand in writing so that those minority people who blindly supporting them realize that the agenda of this people is not just to end covid mandates but it is anti-establishment, anarchist style overthrow of government and wish to take over the country and establish dictatorial  rule.

 

You can pretend that you can order the Army to kill your fellow Canadians all you like. They will refuse.

[cougar]

36 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Peaceful protest is a legitimate avenue. 

You should have told this to Bush before he went into Iraq.

"Bush, in democratic societies we only protest peacefully and only after being granted permission to do so and only after we disclose the number of protestors and making sure absolutely no one is inconvenienced in the slightest and business can go on as usual for as long as the protest lasts.  No loud honking please!

Edited February 6, 2022 by cougar

[cougar]

13 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This is not freedom of assembly. This is occupation. This is not freedom of expression. This is extortion. 

 

Of course it is freedom of assembly and expression.

These are not meaningful health measures to manage a pandemic; this is a scheme to take away all our freedoms - where we go, how we live, how we work, what happens with our bodies,

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

You can pretend that you can order the Army to kill your fellow Canadians all you like. They will refuse.

Such an idiotic distorter. Read what you quoted where the hell did I use the word Army or killing anyone. As a last resort military machinery may have to be used to move the heavy trucks from illegal occupation but nobody is even remotely is hinting the use of military assault on this sedition. 

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Such an idiotic distorter. Read what you quoted where the hell did I use the word Army or killing anyone. As a last resort military machinery may have to be used to move the heavy trucks from illegal occupation but nobody is even remotely is hinting the use of military assault on this sedition. 

I think you’d be happier in China.  Greater safety from Covid there.  

[CITIZEN_2015]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

I think you’d be happier in China.  Greater safety from Covid there.  

No I won't.  I hear there are less females in China because of population control policies

[West]

Leftists dropping off big bins of rocks now in Ottawa looking to start riots. These people and those of you who support Trudeau are demented

[CITIZEN_2015]

https://albertapolitics.ca/2022/02/occupation-of-canadas-national-capital-by-a-lawless-mob-must-end-forthwith/

 

No democracy should allow an insurrection by a group dedicated to the suspension of democracy – which the insurrectionists in Ottawa, despite their constant “freedom” rhetoric, clearly advocate through their stated goal of overthrowing our democratically elected government – to continue longer than it takes to put it down. 

 

[Zeitgeist]

So it’s come across news outlets that the Ottawa police are cutting off food supplies to protesters.  Starving protesters is an old inhumane tactic that recalls colonial moves against Indigenous during the construction of the CP Railway.  It’s against our constitution to deny people the right to feed themselves.  The Ottawa Police are committing crimes against humanity.

“Earlier in the afternoon, Ottawa police announced they would ramp up enforcement on protesters in the city's downtown core, handing out tickets and announcing that anyone looking to bring "material aid," such as fuel, to protesters could be arrested.

"Enforcement is underway," the Ottawa Police Service tweeted on Sunday afternoon.”

CBC News

Edited February 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

“Earlier in the afternoon, Ottawa police announced they would ramp up enforcement on protesters in the city's downtown core, handing out tickets and announcing that anyone looking to bring "material aid," such as fuel, to protesters could be arrested.

Sorry is it illegal for a citizen to carry fuel in their city? Or is it the police that's making arbitrary rules for the citizens these days? Gosh I wish there was a way for us to know what is what, and where anymore.