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38 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I believe that protesters have the right to impede the government, to bring it to a stand still

if not, there would be no Civil Rights Act

if not, South Africa would still be ruled by Apartheid

the whole point of protests is to bring things to a halt

otherwise, they have no effect

the idea that the only thing you're allowed to do is wave a placard

where and when the government allows you to ?

that is not a free country, that is an authoritarian state like Russia or China

Perhaps but they did not impeded anything except local traffic and local residents peace.

Parliament just went on as usual.

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46 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

bear in mind

I took the vaccine in good faith

I was not opposed to vaccine mandates per se

can a private business demand that you be vaccinated for a job ?

I would say yes

can the school system demand that your children be vaccinated to attend school ?

I would say yes

I was not that interested in the Freedom Convoy at first, as a vaccine mandate protest

I would not actually protest the vaccine mandates

it was only when the protests themselves were declared to be "illegal" that I started to protest

there is no such thing as an "illegal protest" in a free & democratic society

 

The protest was never deemed or said to be illegal.

The street blockades, the noise, the camping on the street s were declared illegal under existing laws and bylaws.

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3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Perhaps but they did not impeded anything except local traffic and local residents peace.

Parliament just went on as usual.

exactly

which is why declaring this to be an "illegal protest" warranting the Emergencies act

is authoritarian like Russia or China

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5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

No no, perhaps you dont read too goodly. Im interested in the legal arguments. What you are peddling is one man’s opinion. You said so, yourself.

So that is your narrative and belief.

I’m sorry if I don’t want to absorb your brainwashing...

;) 

Man, you certainly are on your own planet.

I am a informing that there will be a TV report. You make up your own mind whether you want to watch it or not. If it does not fit your ideology or narrative, then don't. If you want to be open minded and see all sides, then watch it.

I personally do not care what you believe in or what you do.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

you cant read the riot act and sic the RCMP tactical teams on protesters for violating a bylaw

Actually, Wellington Street is NCC property so by default, the RCMP have control of it. Normally, the Ottawa police take care of it but when there are protests (lots of them), RCMP are always there.

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7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Actually, Wellington Street is NCC property so by default, the RCMP have control of it. Normally, the Ottawa police take care of it but when there are protests (lots of them), RCMP are always there.

they are not empowered to beat people up on the street for any reason

the level of violence employed by the police was criminal

you can't violently assault protesters for refusing to stop protesting

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5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

they are not empowered to beat people up on the street for any reason

the level of violence employed by the police was criminal

you can't violently assault protesters for refusing to stop protesting

I am not going to get into that. Too may personal and emotional opinions. I live in Ottawa and watched the day long live broadcasts flicking form one network to another and there were all networks there including Fox and CNN, even BBC. To me, CNN and Fox were very opposite takes on what was going on. One very pro and one very con even though the live pictures were being shown.

Yes there were videos showing things but, as I have said all along, there is always a beginning, middle and end to every situation and video and if only the end is seen, a lot of opinion and conjecture can occur.

I am quite sure no one was assaulted for just protesting. Maybe, just maybe, some were forced to vacate once given warning to leave the premises peacefully (which apparently many did).

They were given 24 hours notice that the authorities were going to clear Wellington and other occupied streets and to peacefully leave. Many did, some did not and sufferer the consequences of their non compliance.

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7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I am not going to get into that. Too may personal and emotional opinions. I live in Ottawa and watched the day long live broadcasts flicking form one network to another and there were all networks there including Fox and CNN, even BBC. To me, CNN and Fox were very opposite takes on what was going on. One very pro and one very con even though the live pictures were being shown.

Yes there were videos showing things but, as I have said all along, there is always a beginning, middle and end to every situation and video and if only the end is seen, a lot of opinion and conjecture can occur.

I am quite sure no one was assaulted for just protesting. Maybe, just maybe, some were forced to vacate once given warning to leave the premises peacefully (which apparently many did).

They were given 24 hours notice that the authorities were going to clear Wellington and other occupied streets and to peacefully leave. Many did, some did not and sufferer the consequences of their non compliance.

well I certainly am emotional : human being

but in this case I am not following emotion, but rather logic

annoying as the protest may have been for some, it was not in any way a riot

yet the government read the riot act and sicced the riot squad on them

that is what the Russian MVD does to protesters in Moscow

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in order to have the right, you have to have the means

so Justin Trudeau says you don't have a right to use a gun for self defence in Canada

that means you don't really have an effective way of defending yourself

thus you in effect have no right to self defence at all

in terms of protesting, if the government can declare an effective protest to be a "riot"

then you have no effective way of protesting

thus you in effect have no right to protest

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50 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

To me, CNN and Fox were very opposite takes on what was going on. One very pro and one very con even though the live pictures were being shown.

Do you find it weird that CNN was calling the violent riots in the US "mostly peaceful" and then advocating for an abrupt end to the Freedom Convoy and their dastardly bouncy castles of death? 

Is it weird that CNN didn't cover the story of a peaceful protester who surrendered on his knees and then got beaten severely by the shrouded cops without bodycams? I'm pretty sure that if a Floyd Protester had surrendered on his knees and then got beaten up by cops, CNN would have made that headline news for a month. "Rodney King v 2.0!!!"

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Yes there were videos showing things but, as I have said all along, there is always a beginning, middle and end to every situation and video and if only the end is seen, a lot of opinion and conjecture can occur.

Showing "things"?

They showed Vizi get out of his truck, get on his knees with his hands behind his head, then instantly get thrown down to the ground and 4 cops beat him. They drove their knees into him from both sides. It was a vicious beating and our cancerous MSM ignored it.

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3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

They showed Vizi get out of his truck, get on his knees with his hands behind his head, then instantly get thrown down to the ground and 4 cops beat him. They drove their knees into him from both sides. It was a vicious beating and our cancerous MSM ignored it.

yeah, that was the final straw for me too

that was not law enforcement, that was punitive retaliation for daring to defy the government

 

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growing up in Canada, I never felt any fear of the Canadian government, nor the Ontario government

I was a Liberal then, Pierre Trudeau was an heroic figure

Bill Davis was the best Premier

I have never been charged with an offence, never arrested for a criminal offence

I even trusted my chain of command in the armed forces

my CO, my RSM, I truly looked up to them, I emulated them

but I really do fear Canada now

this is like an Orwellian dystopic Canada out of a dark science fiction future

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3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Man, you certainly are on your own planet.

I am a informing that there will be a TV report. You make up your own mind whether you want to watch it or not. If it does not fit your ideology or narrative, then don't. If you want to be open minded and see all sides, then watch it.

I personally do not care what you believe in or what you do.

Thank you for being an informer. Access denied, access denied.

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55 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Only if assault does not include

being trampled under hoof

especially little old ladies

who are handicapped

and native

;) 

so you see

it's really all about cronies to the government

they are the tyrants

reason being : the money printing

the government prints money and uses it to buy cronies

this is the true nature of moral hazard

and so you can then see

that the only thing that will end the tyranny

is the central bank running out of room to print money from the future

and in that sense, the corrosive inflation is your friend

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in the end

protests don't matter

elections don't matter

the only way to bring down the tyrannical establishment elites entrenched in Canada now

is a crisis

to discredit them with the masses

a crisis so catastophic

that it will alter the culture of Canada upstream from politics

a massive inflation, followed by a spiralling deflation

and thankfully, that is the course these corrupt & inept elites are set upon

you just have to figure out a way to ride out the storm

otherwise known as : embrace the suck

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4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you find it weird that CNN was calling the violent riots in the US "mostly peaceful" and then advocating for an abrupt end to the Freedom Convoy and their dastardly bouncy castles of death? 

Is it weird that CNN didn't cover the story of a peaceful protester who surrendered on his knees and then got beaten severely by the shrouded cops without bodycams? I'm pretty sure that if a Floyd Protester had surrendered on his knees and then got beaten up by cops, CNN would have made that headline news for a month. "Rodney King v 2.0!!!"

Showing "things"?

They showed Vizi get out of his truck, get on his knees with his hands behind his head, then instantly get thrown down to the ground and 4 cops beat him. They drove their knees into him from both sides. It was a vicious beating and our cancerous MSM ignored it.

You know, it is not easy to have a reasonable discussion without your bullshit smeared all over it.

Get over your paranoia and try to have a decent discussion instead your constant biased BS.

Go stroke Vizi, it seems the only thing you have going for yourself.

 

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Only if assault does not include

being trampled under hoof

especially little old ladies

who are handicapped

and native

;) 

What kind of BS post is that?? Oh yeah, typical often wrong one LOL

If you are going to use an example, make sure it is an accurate one LOL

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