Trucker's Convoy

[blackbird]

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 3  For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4  For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Unquote    Romans 1:3,4 KJV

Notice here in God's inspired word that God has ordained rulers to enforce law and order.   The rulers determine the laws and their enforcement, not the ruled.  The responsibility of the ruled is to obey the laws.  Those who refuse are rebelling against the God-ordained authorities and risk the authorities coming down on them with force in whatever way the authority deem appropriate.  It becomes especially difficult when you have a large number of protesters who have convinced themselves they are on the right side of the law or an issue.  These verses should serve as a warning to those who think they are above the law of the land.  Tragically the Bible was taken out of public schools and many have imbibed the idea that individual citizens are final judge of what is right or wrong. Morality has become a relative thing based on whatever seems popular.

[jbg]

49 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Notice here in God's inspired word that God has ordained rulers to enforce law and order.   The rulers determine the laws and their enforcement, not the ruled.  The responsibility of the ruled is to obey the laws.  Those who refuse are rebelling against the God-ordained authorities and risk the authorities coming down on them with force in whatever way the authority deem appropriate.  It becomes especially difficult when you have a large number of protesters who have convinced themselves they are on the right side of the law or an issue.  These verses should serve as a warning to those who think they are above the law of the land.  Tragically the Bible was taken out of public schools and many have imbibed the idea that individual citizens are final judge of what is right or wrong. Morality has become a relative thing based on whatever seems popular.

Nobody, however, made these rules G-d. As Myata said in Post 143 (link):

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Governments should never be left alone, to take care of themselves. This is that will happen, again and again and over, when governments get used to running themselves.

The governments should be made to remember that they work for us. We don't work for them. The Covid emergency seems to have given government leaders the world around the belief that they could invoke the talisman "Covid" and order everyone around.

[blackbird]

"13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.  14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. "  Matthew 7:13, 14 KJV

[cougar]

19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

“Trudeau said authorities are prepared to hit protesters where it hurts the most by suspending commercial trucking licenses and pursuing charges that could result in jail time. He also warned that criminal sanctions could be levelled that would stop the protesters from ever travelling internationally again.”

CBC

I imagine, he does not intend to appear in public anywhere again.   Because it wouldn't be small pebbles people will be throwing at him now.

[Moonbox]

and the rest of Canada cheered.  

[CITIZEN_2015]

My earlier post was removed for no reason. It is interesting that the post by those making personal attacks calling members fascists' stays and mine is deleted with a warning!!!!

In my post I updated the the police has moved in to break the illegal blockade of Ambassador Bridge and the blockade is appeared to be coming to an end peacefully.  In my post I had also demanded that Ottawa police take the same path and move in to break illegal blockade of Ottawa streets immediately.

Edited February 12, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[cougar]

3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

In my post I updated the the police has moved in to break the illegal blockade of Ambassador Bridge and the blockade is appeared to be coming to an end peacefully.  In my post I had also demanded that Ottawa police take the same path and move in to break illegal blockade of Ottawa streets immediately.

Don't you see any contradiction in your statements?

[cougar]

12 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

and the rest of Canada cheered.  

You first find out the percentage of those who will take the booster shot.  Then the percentage of those who approve of mandatory vaccinations.   Your "rest of Canada"  may be a minority of sheep.

[CITIZEN_2015]

11 minutes ago, cougar said:

Don't you see any contradiction in your statements?

You have to live in other countries to know what a not peaceful end to protest is really. And then begin to appreciate what it is to live in a democracy before trying to destroy that democracy.

No because there has been many cases around the world that police moves in and breaks up anti-government protests not peacefully either by attacking them violently with batons breaking many skulls  or shooting into demonstrators and killing and injuring many but here we have a Liberal government and it is a democracy. The government tolerated these illegal blockades for days and weeks hoping they will end the illegal blockades but now under pressure from public they had to take limited action and move in to break up the blockades so far without violence.

Edited February 12, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[cougar]

15 hours ago, West said:

Yes we are opposed to Trudeau wrecking the economy and putting people out of work

You just need to come to the realization that the economy is wrecked, no matter who it is in power and what political party. The problem you have is purely environmental and mathematical and has to do with limits and balances.

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 minutes ago, cougar said:

You first find out the percentage of those who will take the booster shot.  Then the percentage of those who approve of mandatory vaccinations.   Your "rest of Canada"  may be a minority of sheep.

So far over 50% have taken the booster in two months since it became available and every day more people are taking it. Last I heard over 70% of Canadians support mandated vaccination and close to 90% have taken it. By any counts you lose.

[cougar]

3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No because.....

When Police are around threatening arrests and intimidating the protesters , I no longer consider it peaceful.

If people have the right to protest, they cannot be threatened, harassed , defunded, intimidated with the power of authority and so on.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Just now, cougar said:

When Police are around threatening arrests and intimidating the protesters , I no longer consider it peaceful.

If people have the right to protest, they cannot be threatened, harassed , defunded, intimidated with the power of authority and so on.

As I said before:

You have to live in other countries to know what a not peaceful end to protest is really. And then begin to appreciate what it is to live in a democracy before trying to destroy that democracy.

[cougar]

1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

As I said before:

You have to live in other countries to know what a not peaceful end to protest is really. And then begin to appreciate what it is to live in a democracy before trying to destroy that democracy.

Those that are non-democratic, I assume?

So your expectations were, we are one of them?

I would say what is currently done, infringes on the rights of peaceful assembly and protest.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 minute ago, cougar said:

Those that are non-democratic, I assume?

So your expectations were, we are one of them?

I would say what is currently done, infringes on the rights of peaceful assembly and protest.

It was not peaceful. They were hurting fellow Canadians. Hundreds of thousands of their fellow Canadians lost their jobs as a result of just one week blockade. A peaceful protest is to gather somewhere for a limited time, say what they wish to say and then LEAVE. This was not peaceful by any measure.

[myata]

27 minutes ago, cougar said:

Trudeau said authorities are prepared to hit protesters where it hurts the most by suspending commercial trucking licenses and pursuing charges that could result in jail time.

This is a path of an aspiring dictator, in essence if not the letter. The society, a significant part of it rose an essential or even critical issue; as a democratic leader he did not respond in good faith, in honesty and with competence but chose to dismiss it out of hand. This is what dictators do. Assuming onto themselves to speak on behalf of the people too. He is a clear threat to whatever left of Canadian democracy, or was in the first place.

This may line up as a crucial test of the country's democracy right here. To arrest and cease authoritarian aspirations; to create effective checks and oversight over the governments; or to slide to the level of third world. Our choice, our place, our time.

[cougar]

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

So far over 50% have taken the booster in two months since it became available and every day more people are taking it. Last I heard over 70% of Canadians support mandated vaccination and close to 90% have taken it. By any counts you lose.

And you trust the numbers you are given?  

I don't.    I don't believe a single thing I hear on CBC, NOT A THING !

And even if the numbers were true this means that between 30% and 50% of Canadians do not intend to get boosters voluntarily and will not support "passports" (for lack of a better word) and vaccine mandates.

[cougar]

5 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It was not peaceful. They were hurting fellow Canadians. Hundreds of thousands of their fellow Canadians lost their jobs as a result of just one week blockade. A peaceful protest is to gather somewhere for a limited time, say what they wish to say and then LEAVE. This was not peaceful by any measure.

Those did not lose their jobs !   They were unable to work, because of their own stupidity to support a vaccination mandate that goes against the charter of rights of their own country!

Those who really lost their jobs are all unvaccinated people who were sacked as a result of the mandates.

 

Edited February 12, 2022 by cougar

[OftenWrong]

21 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

No... Not with the low level of support we are talking about.  And now with no party behind it.

What low level of support, Can you give a cite? Here's one from me.

46% of Canadians sympathize with trucker convoy
Global News, Posted February 11, 2022

An Ipsos poll published Thursday and conducted exclusively for Global News showed that nearly 46 per cent of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything” the trucker convoy says or does, but the frustration of protesters is “legitimate and worthy” of sympathy.

This sympathy has risen to 61 per cent particularly among Canadians aged 18 to 34, according to the poll.

Looks like pretty good support. it makes sense that Canadians wold feel this way. Turdeau has done nothing to try and calm the situation, only fanned the flames with his dismissive, divisive comments.

Canadians are taking note. (see poll)

[DogOnPorch]

Every day that Trudeau acts like a fascist dictator is going to cost him dearly.

Only Trudeau cultists and commies who want tanks to crush fellow Canadians will be left defending him. Support is shedding daily as people ask themselves who is the baddie?...

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

What low level of support, Can you give a cite? Here's one from me.

46% of Canadians sympathize with trucker convoy
Global News, Posted February 11, 2022

An Ipsos poll published Thursday and conducted exclusively for Global News showed that nearly 46 per cent of Canadians say they “may not agree with everything” the trucker convoy says or does, but the frustration of protesters is “legitimate and worthy” of sympathy.

This sympathy has risen to 61 per cent particularly among Canadians aged 18 to 34, according to the poll.

Looks like pretty good support. it makes sense that Canadians wold feel this way. Turdeau has done nothing to try and calm the situation, only fanned the flames with his dismissive, divisive comments.

Canadians are taking note. (see poll)

Nonsense.  The majority of Canadians oppose the illegal occupation of Ottawa and blockading of vital border and trade crossings.  The protesters in Ottawa are a hard core group of anarchists who want to over throw the democratically-elected government.  The more radical ones have been attracted there from everywhere, but they risk encountering serious consequences at some point.

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Nonsense.  The majority of Canadians oppose the illegal occupation of Ottawa and blockading of vital border and trade crossings.  The protesters in Ottawa are a hard core group of anarchists who want to over throw the democratically-elected government.  The more radical ones have been attracted there from everywhere, but they risk encountering serious consequences at some point.

Cover your eyes then. There's the Global link for you to ignore. Pray it away.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Cover your eyes then. There's the Global link for you to ignore. Pray it away.

 

And pray away all those people in Ottawa.

Damn that was a big to-do last night. A good chunk of the city came out to party.

[jbg]

41 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

As I said before:

You have to live in other countries to know what a not peaceful end to protest is really. And then begin to appreciate what it is to live in a democracy before trying to destroy that democracy.

The truckers' demonstration started over the vaccination issue. I happen to be pro-vaxx. It later embraced lockdowns and masking. I am with the truckers on lockdowns and masking. To me, vaccinations are 30 minute affairs, three times over a five or six month period. I'm fine with that. I'm not fine over continuing dictatorial powers and restrictions.

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Cover your eyes then. There's the Global link for you to ignore. Pray it away.

From that same poll.

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On the other hand, 54 per cent of Canadians who participated in this poll believe that people taking part in the protests do not “deserve any of our sympathy” and that what they “have said and done is wrong.”