Trucker's Convoy

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Oh I didn’t say they weed privileged, most are working class.  But they are predominately white 

So what?   Most Canadians are white.  It doesn’t make the protesters racist or privileged, and there’s a wide range of cultures and races in the protests.   What sucky woke bullshit.  

[West]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The sad part is, I’m not sure average Canadians consuming legacy media really understand how far Canada has fallen.  Yes a big chunk of the country hates Trudeau and wants him gone, but I worry that there are enough gullible people to keep this guy going through minority government for a while yet. I’m stand firmly and honestly by my position that Canadians are living under unconstitutional policies and a government that is refusing to acknowledge its violation of citizens’ rights.   It won’t respond to the very serious concerns of a sizeable portion of the population that opposes mandates.  It’s oppressive.  Canada is a totalitarian country right now.  I don’t like Canada now.   We’re less free than Americans, and not all US states are equally free.

I’d like to thank this forum for maintaining important freedom of speech, which is under threat in Canada.

Problem with Ontario is its so full of government beaurocrats and office workers that they don't have anything in common with their fellow Canadians. We literally have small businesses going belly up thanks to government lockdowns while these folks have recieved wage increases over the past years and give themselves a pat on the back for absurd policy. 

They figure people should just be happy the government gives them a little bit of crumbs with cerb while destroying their lives

Edited February 12, 2022 by West

[Zeitgeist]

20 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Like nothing else, this will convert people from passive to active freedom protesters, one door at a time.  And not only that, people that just see the video of cops banging on doors of “wayward” facebook posters, will be outraged into action.

Thanks, OPP, for being willing to do the dirty work!

But will they though?  None of this will appear on CBC, CTV, or Global.  You won’t find it in the Star or Globe. All people hear about from government is blockades and hurting trade.  Really sad what’s happening in Canada.  

Edited February 12, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[BeaverFever]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

So what?   Most Canadians are white.  It doesn’t make the protesters racist or privileged, and there’s a wide range of cultures and races in the protests.   What sucky woke bullshit.  

I didn’t say they were all racist or privileged. I said it’s funny that when protesters are conspicuously non-white,  conservatives are outraged that anyone would dare disturb polite society and interfere with commerce for their personal issues….and yet now   for some reason conservatives are claiming that for this mostly white group - which only has a small amount of Nazis and racists -  disturbing polite society and interfering with commerce is a beautifully patriotic duty.

[Zeitgeist]

15 minutes ago, West said:

Problem with Ontario is its so full of government beaurocrats and office workers that they don't have anything in common with their fellow Canadians. We literally have small businesses going belly up thanks to government lockdowns while these folks have recieved wage increases over the past years and give themselves a pat on the back for absurd policy. 

They figure people should just be happy the government gives them a little bit of crumbs with cerb while destroying their lives

Yup, Canada is becoming Cuba.  Young people won’t be able to buy homes.  They’ll rent little apartments, work from home or as essential workers under public safety measures, have curtailed freedoms, and live a subsistence lifestyle.  Nowhere to take your complaints.  

Edited February 12, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I didn’t say they were all racist or privileged. I said it’s funny that when protesters are conspicuously non-white,  conservatives are outraged that anyone would dare disturb polite society and interfere with commerce for their personal issues….and yet now   for some reason conservatives are claiming that for this mostly white group - which only has a small amount of Nazis and racists -  disturbing polite society and interfering with commerce is a beautifully patriotic duty.

That’s a tiresome old hat woke argument.

You’re not allowed to see the protesters as regular Canadians.  They must either be radicals or privileged by race.   You’re buying into the narrative that these people are lesser in some way.  It’s wrong and undermines the genuine concerns about freedom for all Canadians.

Canada is a fascist country.  

Edited February 12, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

You don't need that now because we have millions who will swallow whatever they see on the internet regardless of the source.

Bingo. A willing slave is the best one.

[myata]

20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

None of this will appear on CBC, CTV, or Global.  You won’t find it in the Star or Globe.

Does it sound to you like something? Like for example beta testing, in operation of a new product or technology? Look it worked so smoothly with the epidemics, let's try it with protests now! (Dr Goebbels, the proud inventor, smiling)

[Zeitgeist]

14 minutes ago, myata said:

Does it sound to you like something? Like for example beta testing, in operation of a new product or technology? Look it worked so smoothly with the epidemics, let's try it with protests now! (Dr Goebbels, the proud inventor, smiling)

There are precedents for this in Canada.  From the National Post, Dec. 6, 2017:

“Canada has a long history of subjecting its people to questionable and dangerous experiments. During the Second World War, mustard gas tests were conducted on 3,000 volunteers at a military base in Suffield. In the 1960s, CIA experiments conducted in Quebec on unknowing subjects analyzed whether it was possible — with the use of LSD and electroshocks — to eliminate memories and build them back up.”

[myata]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

There are precedents for this in Canada.

I guess goes hand in hand with unchecked and out of bounds or controls enlightened and entitled bureaucratic management. "We always know best; no we insist". Forget "ad mare".

[sharkman]

53 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But will they though?  None of this will appear on CBC, CTV, or Global.  You won’t find it in the Star or Globe. All people hear about from government is blockades and hurting trade.  Really sad what’s happening in Canada.  

It’s on YouTube.

And it will spread the way hot gossip used to spread, the ‘low tech’ method…

[bush_cheney2004]

The truckers and supporters do not seem to be phased at all by impotent threats from the "authorities".   The truckers know that a forced/violent removal is something government does not want to do.    Just the logistics of removing disabled trucks is a daunting task even if everyone cooperated.

It is great to see Canadian citizens standing up for what they believe in and having the balls to hold the line.

 

[Zeitgeist]

I’ve never seen anything like this in Canada.  Alarms sounding among our veterans. 

 

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’ve never seen anything like this in Canada.  Alarms sounding among our veterans. 

 

I get that he asked for peace a couple of times, and I absolutely hope that every single Freedom Convoy member just peacefully lets themselves be arrested so that they don't get baited into the shitshow that Trudeau and his propagandists so desperately need, but he shouldn't have said "hold the line". 

I get that he wanted it to sound cool, maybe he just said it because he felt like this was his one chance to say it, but it's an order that has a connotation that every soldier knows very well, and it doesn't inspire peace. It's akin to "no retreat, no surrender".

Not just "show up, stand peacefully until the police arrest you". It definitely implies "resistance", at the very least, to the vast majority of ex-military.

[Yzermandius19]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

Never mind trying to make a hard-assed Christian's head explode by questioning their supernatural beliefs just tell them Jesus was a lefty and....KABOOM!

you're just trolling

no one's head is exploding

because you're not very good at it

Edited February 12, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

I didn’t say they were all racist or privileged. I said it’s funny that when protesters are conspicuously non-white,  conservatives are outraged that anyone would dare disturb polite society and interfere with commerce for their personal issues….and yet now   for some reason conservatives are claiming that for this mostly white group - which only has a small amount of Nazis and racists -  disturbing polite society and interfering with commerce is a beautifully patriotic duty.

most of the BLM and antifa protestors are white too

dummy

[myata]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

but it's an order that has a connotation that every soldier knows very well

OK I've no military background but I take the message in a broader context: our freedoms are being taken away, piece by piece and crumb by crumb and we have no say or control over it. The ruling caste has grown into just watch us and just do it mode of operation. So it's now or maybe not for a long time or very long time. And that's the only meaning I got from it.

[West]

16 minutes ago, myata said:

OK I've no military background but I take the message in a broader context: our freedoms are being taken away, piece by piece and crumb by crumb and we have no say or control over it. The ruling caste has grown into just watch us and just do it mode of operation. So it's now or maybe not for a long time or very long time. And that's the only meaning I got from it.

Historically when this happens it leads to violence. Let's hope it doesn't get to that point but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it did. You can only whip the dog so long until it bites back

[myata]

5 minutes ago, West said:

Historically when this happens it leads to violence.

I hope not from the protesters. But violent arrests? Again how much control we as citizens have over this possibility? Can we say, and be confident that it cannot and won't happen in the country? I'm not and can't.

[WestCanMan]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

OK I've no military background but I take the message in a broader context: our freedoms are being taken away, piece by piece and crumb by crumb and we have no say or control over it. The ruling caste has grown into just watch us and just do it mode of operation. So it's now or maybe not for a long time or very long time. And that's the only meaning I got from it.

Collins dictionary says this: c. 

Quote

(of soldiers) to keep formation, as when under fire

He was speaking directly to soldiers, this is the meanig according to Collins online dictionary. 

I wish that he wouldn't have said it for a couple od reasons

1) some soldiers might think of it in military terms, which isn't good. If they say 'til Valahalla it's gonna be a shitshow and don't try to reason with them at that point.

2) leftists are desperate to paint this Freedom Convoy as an insurgence, and they're well aware of the connotations of terms when it suits their fancy. That's exactly why the people at CNN and posters here, like BeaverFever, tried to put the words "march on Washington" into Trump's mouth. If there's any resistance at all, 'hold the line' will be the new buzzword for the next year and it will haunt the Freedom Convoy forever. 

I just wish he would have appended that with, 'until you're arrested', or 'until the police come with an order to ___________', IE some bullshit that sounds official and means that they can use force to remove you. 

He definitely should have specified exactly what he meant by 'hold the line'. It's very meaningful, powerful terminology.

If you told Dougie93 to hold the line he'd probably be there until there was just a puddle of goo.

[myata]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

He definitely should have specified exactly what he meant by 'hold the line'. It's very meaningful, powerful terminology.

OK I have no depth to comment further on the statement but probably such a clarification would be useful. I can't imagine though that folks wouldn't reflect on it before going and if they choose to.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

All of them. Why else were they there?

Lol.

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’ve never seen anything like this in Canada.  Alarms sounding among our veterans. 

 

Brilliant and touching.

Yet now people are talking about terms used in that clip and the "context".

To them I say, 'Get a grip on reality'. The meaning of the vet's statement is crystal clear. It's a call for support for the cause of the convoy...Freedom. not a single word about "violence". 

Stop trying to twist this touching and positive plea for support...into something sinister.

[jbg]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yup, Canada is becoming Cuba.  Young people won’t be able to buy homes.  They’ll rent little apartments, work from home or as essential workers under public safety measures, have curtailed freedoms, and live a subsistence lifestyle.  Nowhere to take your complaints.  

I believe that the provincial and federal governments will not explicitly cave to the trucker's demands. I suspect that the dam will break towards a return to normalcy. This is not confined to the  far-right. People don't like living this way.

[myata]

Governments should never be left alone, to take care of themselves. This is that will happen, again and again and over, when governments get used to running themselves. The political system in Canada is a joke and a caricature, a clumsy and pathetic doodle of effective checks and control. It's so non existent as such that needn't even be mentioned. Canadians need to wake up and think about that problem now; or Heavens themselves may not know what the country would look like in two or three decades.

Edited February 12, 2022 by myata