Trucker's Convoy

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Well considering Conservatives make up Max 40% of Canadians. That's a healthy majority of Canadians. 

yet another example of Canadian stupidity

[West]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Well considering Conservatives make up Max 40% of Canadians. That's a healthy majority of Canadians. 

You people are deeply disturbed. If this was Russia you'd be changing your profile photo on Facebook to Tamara Lich

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, West said:

1. For now she's locked away in a jail away from her family with no trial date in sight which ultimately will lead to acquital.
2. Her punishment is working her way through a deeply flawed "justice" system who abuse the system for politics

1. Oh you think so ?  And yet the judges are so corrupt ?  How do you reconcile THAT ?
2. And yet she will be acquitted so I guess you have SOME faith ?

[West]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Oh you think so ?  And yet the judges are so corrupt ?  How do you reconcile THAT ?
2. And yet she will be acquitted so I guess you have SOME faith ?

No. The system itself is the punishment. Make her life a living hell for five years just to say "we were wrong.. sorry". 

Amazing how we dish out millions to a terrorist because we "violated their rights" yet we allow this bs to happen.

Edited June 29, 2022 by West

[West]

37 minutes ago, Boges said:

That's your extremely biased opinion. 

 

The "bias" is based on fact

-Unusually harsh and unheard of restrictions dished out.

-Governments harassing parishioners during times of worship then slapping on fines because the churches refuse to allow them to disrupt a religious ceremony ('how demented is our society that breaking up a religious gathering is now approved; it's a criminal code offense)

-Former political candidates now acting as judges and dishing out punishment to political opponents of their party as was the case with Liche. 

-Governments boarding up sacred houses of worship while allowing approved causes ie blm the ability to skirt covid restrictions

It's disgusting what the leftists are doing to this country

Edited June 29, 2022 by West

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, West said:

Freedom of association (arrested for taking a photo with somebody). freedom of speech (social media ban; could not express support for the convoy).. freedom of mobility (could not visit Ontario at one point)... 

Just for starters. 

Sort of like the compelled speech clause in Pawlowski's undertaking where he had to speak about the government narrative any time he criticized covid restrictions... apparently that's a thing now in the Canadian "justice" system

Both were conditions of her bail,  not breaches of charter. She is stupid. She knowingly broke bail conditions. Stupid people do stupid things....TL is a perfect example.

Baloney analogy.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, West said:

So what? 

Ban her from going to church too maybe? 

She's charged for a protected activity under the Charter.. she's a political prisoner. Surprised that you agree with it

Man, get with reality. She is charged with mischief and several other existing minor infractions and will probably get off but in the meantime she is under bail restrictions.

She jeopardized her bail conditions and is going to pay for that. Stupid people do stupid things and she is a perfect example of stupid.

Making her a martyr only demonstrates that stupid follow stupid.

[West]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Both were conditions of her bail, 

That's the point.. it's ridiculous that she can't even post a cat photo on Facebook without being breached.

How is a cat photo a threat? 

She's only being punished because she disagrees with Trudeau, not because she committed any crime. 

Edited June 29, 2022 by West

[West]

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Man, get with reality. She is charged with mischief and several other existing minor infractions and will probably get off but in the meantime she is under bail restrictions.

She jeopardized her bail conditions and is going to pay for that. Stupid people do stupid things and she is a perfect example of stupid.

Making her a martyr only demonstrates that stupid follow stupid.

I am. 

The judge who imposed the Charter violating bail conditions ran as a Liberal Party candidate. The judge is only on the bench as a political appointment to conduct star chamber hearings against enemies of the Trudeau government. It's a sham.. we all know it you just refuse to admit it

[Queenmandy85]

54 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Man, get with reality. She is charged with mischief and several other existing minor infractions

Mischief is not a minor infraction. It is a Criminal Code offence. It covers a number of major offences. 

The definition of mischief is found in Section 430 (1) of the Criminal Code which reads:

430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully

• (a) destroys or damages property;
• (b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
• (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
• (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.

 

It can carry a penalty up to life in prison.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, West said:

Amazing how we dish out millions to a terrorist because we "violated their rights" yet we allow this bs to happen.

Sounds like the only good judge is... you.

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

You can get rid of the judiciary when you also get rid of voting, etc.  We know that you accuse judges of 'bias' anyway so I think you should appoint your own judges and fire all Liberal appointed judges when the time comes.

Now there's a good idea.

[West]

30 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Mischief is not a minor infraction. It is a Criminal Code offence. It covers a number of major offences. 

The definition of mischief is found in Section 430 (1) of the Criminal Code which reads:

430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully

• (a) destroys or damages property;
• (b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
• (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
• (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.

 

It can carry a penalty up to life in prison.

And which did Liche specifically violate? 

She personally did not park the vehicles. It's not her fault Ottawas infrastructure was ineffective in handling the traffic. Ottawa police were involved in directing traffic. She personally stayed in a hotel when in Ottawa.

We've already established the government has lied about attempts to burn down apartment buildings. 

And both her and Barber are on video telling people to abide by court injunction.

The case is a joke. Trudeau needs a scapegoat nothing more nothing less

Edited June 29, 2022 by West

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, West said:

I am. 

The judge who imposed the Charter violating bail conditions ran as a Liberal Party candidate. The judge is only on the bench as a political appointment to conduct star chamber hearings against enemies of the Trudeau government. It's a sham.. we all know it you just refuse to admit it

The judge imposed.... that is the key. If you are out on bail and stupid enough to breach your bail, you get what you deserve.

Say all you want about the judge but the fools that defy their order is the dumb one.

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, West said:

And which did Liche specifically violate? 

She personally did not park the vehicles. It's not her fault Ottawas infrastructure was ineffective in handling the traffic. Ottawa police were involved in directing traffic. She personally stayed in a hotel when in Ottawa.

We've already established the government has lied about attempts to burn down apartment buildings. 

And both her and Barber are on video telling people to abide by court injunction.

The case is a joke. Trudeau needs a scapegoat nothing more nothing less

The charges were laid.

The judge will decide when it comes to trial. Screwing with the bail orders does her no favour when it comes to sentencing. She will probably get off but then again, being stupid and defying the judges orders may have an effect at sentencing.

Can't fix stupid and stupid she is. (along with the other 2 clowns still rotting in cells).

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, West said:

I am. 

The judge who imposed the Charter violating bail conditions ran as a Liberal Party candidate. The judge is only on the bench as a political appointment to conduct star chamber hearings against enemies of the Trudeau government. It's a sham.. we all know it you just refuse to admit it

Who cares?

Oh wait, maybe she should. If she knows this and still screws with his orders, then she is stupider than she even comes across LOL

[ExFlyer]

36 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Mischief is not a minor infraction. It is a Criminal Code offence. It covers a number of major offences. 

The definition of mischief is found in Section 430 (1) of the Criminal Code which reads:

430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully

• (a) destroys or damages property;
• (b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
• (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
• (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.

 

It can carry a penalty up to life in prison.

Well then, she has even more to be worried about.

[West]

The vehicles on Wellington were directed by Ottawa police before she even left Alberta ?.. 

To say that she committed "mischief" is a joke. 

People have a right to protest. What it boils down to is not a matter of law but rather that people think she deserves to be in jail because they disagree with WHAT she was protesting.. thats what it boils down to. 

Again if the rally was for climate change, or Trans bathroom access, or abortion lefties would be loving it, they would've gotten photo ops with politicians and no mischief charges would've been filed. That's how you know this is a farce

[West]

21 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The judge imposed.... that is the key. If you are out on bail and stupid enough to breach your bail, you get what you deserve.

Say all you want about the judge but the fools that defy their order is the dumb one.

So a judge can act in a political nature when handing out sentences to punish people for political views... surprised you agree with that (not)

[West]

17 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Who cares?

Oh wait, maybe she should. If she knows this and still screws with his orders, then she is stupider than she even comes across LOL

Our country is the laughing stock of the world right now because of people like you

[Queenmandy85]

The determination of her innocence or guilt will be made by the Court, not us. Any speculation on sentencing is inappropriate, since she is presumed innocent for now.

As of this point in time, as far as I know, the basis for a Canada wide warrant being issued has not been made public.

The alleged actions for which she was initially charged will be documented in due time and will be tested in Court.

When you are out on bail, if you have any questions about the conditions, you need to consult with your lawyer.

A good rule of thumb in life is when a Peace Officer tells you to move or cease doing what you are doing, it is wise to comply. A lot is made about the person who was pushed over by a horse. If she had complied with the lawful order to move in the first place, she would not have put herself in that position. It was also as though she let the poor horse shove her on purpose. 

If you are in doubt as to the legal basis for an order by a Peace Officer, the rule is to comply and consult a lawyer later. If the order was unlawful, take it to Court.

[West]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The determination of her innocence or guilt will be made by the Court, not us. Any speculation on sentencing is inappropriate, since she is presumed innocent for now.

As of this point in time, as far as I know, the basis for a Canada wide warrant being issued has not been made public.

The alleged actions for which she was initially charged will be documented in due time and will be tested in Court.

When you are out on bail, if you have any questions about the conditions, you need to consult with your lawyer.

A good rule of thumb in life is when a Peace Officer tells you to move or cease doing what you are doing, it is wise to comply. A lot is made about the person who was pushed over by a horse. If she had complied with the lawful order to move in the first place, she would not have put herself in that position. It was also as though she let the poor horse shove her on purpose. 

If you are in doubt as to the legal basis for an order by a Peace Officer, the rule is to comply and consult a lawyer later. If the order was unlawful, take it to Court.

What a cop out. She shouldn't have been charged to begin with and the legal system should not be used as a political weapon. It's pathetic.

[Queenmandy85]

3 minutes ago, West said:

So a judge can act in a political nature when handing out sentences to punish people for political views... surprised you agree with that (not)

You don't know many judges, do you. My neighbour was appointed to the bench. After that, he was forbidden to vote, have any political participation and had to be impartial. That is the rule in Canada. It works very well.

[Queenmandy85]

15 minutes ago, West said:

What a cop out. She shouldn't have been charged to begin with and the legal system should not be used as a political weapon. It's pathetic.

Were you there with her? If not, you have no idea what the basis for the charges are. All you have is speculation. I suspect you are biased. So am I. Therefore, we are the wrong people to be making judgements. She deserves the opportunity to test the Crown's case in Court. She was given the opportunity to carry on with her life at home under conditions while she awaits her trial, but she apparently chose not to comply. Her current incarceration is her choice. If she thought the conditions were inappropriate, she should have consulted with her lawyer to appeal for an amendment to the conditions.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Mischief is not a minor infraction. It is a Criminal Code offence. It covers a number of major offences. 

The definition of mischief is found in Section 430 (1) of the Criminal Code which reads:

430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully

• (a) destroys or damages property;
• (b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
• (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
• (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.

 

It can carry a penalty up to life in prison.

Can you explain to me how Tamara Lich is guilty of more than the leader of BLM?

• (A) How much property was destroyed by BLM protests vs Freedom Convoy? $10,000,000,000.00+ vs $0.00
• (B) Basically a lesser version of (A). Again, $10,000,000,000.00+ vs less than $0.00.
• (C) Obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property... Obstrction was the very least of the damage caused by BLM, it's not even a consideration in the damage estimates, but it would still be far more than what was caused by the Freedom Convoy, even if you include the blocking of the Ambassador Bridge. BLM overran a police station and held it for weeks, claimed sovereignty over part of Seattle for 3 weeks and murdered a child there, laid siege to a federal building in Portland for 100 days, attacked the WH and lit the adjacent church on fire, businesses entire downtown areas were closed and boarded up for months on end although that didn't prevent them from being looted & burned down. 
• (D) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property - LOL. Does killing people count as interfering with the lawful use of their property? Does assaulting people and customers at their businesses count? Does burning down their business count? It sounds like BLM was guilty of far more than mischief. 

 

So tell me QM85, if Tamara Lich isn't a political prisoner then why is she facing such severe (by your own account) charges compared to the BLM leader, who was guilty of far more? To say " far more by several orders of magnitude" is an understatement - it's a division by zero equation.  

We both know that it's because leftists supported the BLM protests, they even pushed the false narratives that kept the protests going... In two instances they even withheld video evidence that would have diminished the rioting. So this is clearly a case of allowing extremely illegal riots which supported a racially divisive leftist cause, and punishing a legitimate & peaceful protest which was about protecting the most basic freedoms of Canadian adults and children. 

If it's not a political issue, then... if the Freedom Convoy killed some people, assaulted thousands of civilians and cops, burned down cities, claimed sovereignty over a few city blocks, had some bogus "Freedom Police" murder a child and then clear the crime scene of evidence, and they had an angry mob trying to attack the PM in his own residence, would Tamara have gotten off without any charges? Did the BLM leader just get away with it because the DOJ in the US was afraid to prosecute her for her obvious crimes? Should Freedom Convoy v 2.0 include a massive swath of death and destruction in order to be considered lawful?