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13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. Well our highest paid politicians make half that.   Our General Practitioner doctors make half that.  I think we can find competent people to do hospital admin jobs for a lot less. 

2. Still nothing on a Bezos.  

1. And bench-warming athletes make twice that... I don't think the political will is there to pay the PM $2M a year or somesuch.  Your point is valid but the "What should people make" idea is fraught with practical problems really.

2. Agreed.  Bezos wrote a computer program that knocked 10s of thousands of small businesses out forever.  His reward was to be made the wealthiest man in history I guess.
 

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3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I'm pretty sure that would be ok.
2. Not relevant to my point though.
3. Ad hominem... you hate Trudeau so much you can't discuss much else it seems.
4. " I get it, but your desire to talk to me overpowers your ability to come up with something relevant "  And you say... "Good." ?   Ok then.

1. I'm pretty sure they'd make a scene and threats.

2. How so?

3. Yes. I hate Pixie-Dust.

4. OK.

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2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well our highest paid politicians make half that.   Our General Practitioner doctors make half that.  I think we can find competent people to do hospital admin jobs for a lot less. 

Where are they? There is a shortage of workers and admin at almost every hospital in the country.

All complaining about the working condition but hey, dangle money in front of their noses and guess what...they come back....to the same working conditions but with more pay.

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5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Hospital and health administration costs are taking wages from front line workers.  No one should be making $600,000 for running a hospital.  $300,000 is still too much.  

that is socialist healthcare

in any socialist system,  the lion share of the funding will end up going to government apparatchiks

the purpose of socialist healthcare is to fund socialism, not healthcare

 

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14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that is socialist healthcare

in any socialist system,  the lion share of the funding will end up going to government apparatchiks

the purpose of socialist healthcare is to fund socialism, not healthcare

 

I agree about the waste in government though the US HMO’s have high admin costs too.  Admin costs in healthcare are a problem. Americans actually pay more for healthcare but they have the best stuff and the most options.

Here in NYC, where I am now, anyone can get a free PCR test on the street.  Also they don’t mandate certain care the way we do.  

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2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I agree about the waste in government though the US HMO’s have high admin costs too.  Admin costs in healthcare are a problem. Americans actually pay more for healthcare but they have the best stuff and the most options.  

comparing everything to the Americans is the Canadian Disease

it's mental illness, you can't say anything about Canada without invoking a comparison to Americans

not everything is about America, the best healthcare system in the world is actually the Swiss hybrid

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4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

comparing everything to the Americans is the Canadian Disease

it's mental illness, you can't say anything about Canada without invoking a comparison to Americans

not everything is about America, the best healthcare system in the world is actually the Swiss hybrid

I agree but Canadians think their healthcare is something special.  It’s not that good.  

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6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I agree but Canadians think their healthcare is something special.  It’s not that good.  

there's no profit motive, so it is not self sustaining

the taxpayer has to fund everything, so the snake is eating its tail

the Swiss have the solution

private healthcare to leverage the profit motive

they simply require the insurance companies to provide basic health coverage to everybody, by law

you do have to pay a premium in Switzerland, but it's like $200 a month, it's not going to bankrupt you

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40 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

1. that is socialist healthcare, in any socialist system,  the lion share of the funding will end up going to government apparatchiks

2. the purpose of socialist healthcare is to fund socialism, not healthcare

 

1.  You have to do more than write a sentence to land a point, right ?

Here's the USA: "A health care CEO's salary in large American hospitals runs above $1 million a year. A 2019 Forbes report found only eight of 82 nonprofit hospitals paid their CEO less, and some paid as much as $21 million"

https://work.chron.com/average-salary-ceo-large-hospital-3693.html

2. You should try to actually focus on solving problems rather than labelling things with scary words.

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36 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

comparing everything to the Americans is the Canadian Disease

it's mental illness, you can't say anything about Canada without invoking a comparison to Americans

.....

The truest and most intelligent thing you have ever said. :)

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

I agree with you, however when you complain about public healthcare, there's really only the US to go to for counterexamples.

I didn't complain

I simply pointed out that the Canadian socialist model is unsustainable

a profit motive is required in order to expand

the taxpayer cannot actually fund Canada's healthcare, it's eating all the provincial budgets

the result is  severe shortages of healthcare in Canada

and America is not the only alternative, Switzerland, the Netherlands & Israel all have universal private healthcare

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I didn't complain

I simply pointed out that the Canadian socialist model is unsustainable

a profit motive is required in order to expand

the taxpayer cannot actually fund Canada's healthcare, it's eating all the provincial budgets

the result is  severe shortages of healthcare in Canada

and America is not the only alternative, Switzerland, the Netherlands & Israel all have universal private healthcare

invoking a false dichotomy and America Derangement Syndrome to attack private healthcare

a typical underhanded Canadian trick

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5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

invoking a false dichotomy and America Derangement Syndrome to attack private healthcare

a typical underhanded Canadian trick

the situation is that Canada is entering a demographic collapse

the population is aging out, there's not enough children to replace the Boomers

so the socialist model is going to collapse anyways, due to a lack of young taxpayers to fund the system

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10 hours ago, West said:

Pathetic.. leftists are so disgusting. 

I don't think Ms. Lich is a leftist. She is a separatist and Socialist Credit, but yes, she is deserving of pity. She doesn't seem to grasp the concept of compliance with a Court ruling. She seems to believe she is exempt from the law. She is entitled.

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14 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I don't think Ms. Lich is a leftist. She is a separatist and Socialist Credit, but yes, she is deserving of pity. She doesn't seem to grasp the concept of compliance with a Court ruling. She seems to believe she is exempt from the law. She is entitled.

Our country has become no better than China. We've imprisoned people for protesting. It's a shame so many people think like you and are prepared to allow political prisoners.

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

 a profit motive is required in order to expand

the taxpayer cannot actually fund Canada's healthcare, it's eating all the provincial budgets

the result is  severe shortages of healthcare in Canada

You're all over the map.  You said that a salary was high and socialism was the cause.

Now you are talking about expansion and public capacity planning.  It's hard to find a discussion points when we're all over the map, sorry.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're all over the map.  You said that a salary was high and socialism was the cause.

Now you are talking about expansion and public capacity planning.  It's hard to find a discussion points when we're all over the map, sorry.

don't be sorry

the purpose of social media is not debate

the purpose of social media is to disseminate reactionary agitprop

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36 minutes ago, West said:

Leftists.. pieces of garbage. Turning this country into a hell hole

Hey, if a person being "accused of mischief, obstructing police, counselling others to commit mischief and intimidation." minor infractions cannot stay within her bail condition...it is not leftist, nor political they are just plain idiots and stupid.

Why add charges to already petty incidents. Her actions are idiotic.

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