Zeitgeist Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, Aristides said: Actually it is. Your vaccination status has nothing to do with your personal health. I suppose you don't think people who are HIV or HEP C positive should have to tell sexual partners either. False equivalence. Vaccination doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. It offers protection from serious illness if you get the virus, though Omicron doesn’t cause serious illness in most people. If you’re worried about catching Covid, you can triple vax, triple mask, get groceries delivered, shout at people to stay off your property. Lots of options that don’t impose any controls over others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 People who refuse to get vaccinated are a threat to the rest of us. They are not doing their part to protect society and help to try to bring an end to this pandemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: False equivalence. Vaccination doesn’t stop the spread of the virus. It offers protection from serious illness if you get the virus, though Omicron doesn’t cause serious illness in most people. If you’re worried about catching Covid, you can triple vax, triple mask, get groceries delivered, shout at people to stay off your property. Lots of options that don’t impose any controls over others. No it isn't. Your vaccination status says nothing about your personal health. You could be an Olympic decathlete or at deaths door. Things like vaccination passports protect the unvaccinated by keeping them out of places they could be infected. It's all about protecting the health care system from people who don't care about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, West said: Exactly. False equivalency as he's equating absence of a substance in your body with infection. One doesn't equal the other. Even still if your employer fired you for having HIV there'd be a human rights investigation and your employer would be denounced as a vile scum bag for doing so You can't be fired for having HIV but you can go to jail for not telling a sexual partner you are positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, West said: No more a threat than you. Actually it is because they are more likely to be carrying and spreading Covid to others. They have no inherent right to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 98 long-haul health issues caused by Covid. 98 Symptoms Coronavirus Patients Say They've Had — Eat This Not That Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, blackbird said: People who refuse to get vaccinated are a threat to the rest of us. They are not doing their part to protect society and help to try to bring an end to this pandemic. You really think that vaccinating the remaining 10% of eligible adults will end Covid? Get real. You’re not going to get the hold outs vaxxed without extremely oppressive measures. Then not only will you not have eliminated Covid, you will have violated rights to the nth degree. It’s stupid and unnecessary. Other jurisdictions have moved on and dropped mandates and restrictions. It’s time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Aristides said: No it isn't. Your vaccination status says nothing about your personal health. You could be an Olympic decathlete or at deaths door. Things like vaccination passports protect the unvaccinated by keeping them out of places they could be infected. It's all about protecting the health care system from people who don't care about it. A dysfunctional health care system doesn’t excuse the total violation of basic human rights and the elimination of liberal democracy. Incidentally, the ICU’s aren’t full in Canada, so there’s that. Fear of overwhelming the system and an actual overwhelmed system aren’t the same things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Aristides said: No, it's real because you have to compete with private industry for talent. What fraking "talent"? What management talent is producing, predictably, consistently over decades, always: crumbling, crumpling, lame duck, collapsing and you name or read in the media it results? Do you really need to compete for these, or just scoop them pretty much anywhere, look we have a shortage in healthcare management, $100K starting salary. Then run meaningful exams and tests for competence and management skills. See what happens. Maybe something better would happen than throwing private CEO compensations at lazy and incompetent bunch proven by the reality around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: You really think that vaccinating the remaining 10% of eligible adults will end Covid? Get real. You’re not going to get the hold outs vaxxed without extremely oppressive measures. Then not only will you not have eliminated Covid, you will have violated rights to the nth degree. It’s stupid and unnecessary. Other jurisdictions have moved on and dropped mandates and restrictions. It’s time to move on. I say this to you and anyone else opposing the health regulations. I believe governments are given authority by God to take whatever measures are necessary to protect their citizens from harm. You and I or any other citizens do not have the right to over rule the government's orders. That is what this is all about. This is not a game. Getting a vaccination is physically and logistically a very small thing to ask people to do. There is no right to go against the government. That is anarchy and law-breaking. "1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. {ordained: or, ordered} 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing." Romans 13:1-6 KJV Edited January 24, 2022 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, blackbird said: I say this to you and anyone else opposing the health regulations. I believe governments are given authority by God to take whatever measures are necessary to protect their citizens from harm. You and I or any other citizens do not have the right to over rule the government's orders. That is what this is all about. This is not a game. Getting a vaccination is physically and logistically a very small thing to ask people to do. There is no right to go against the government. That is anarchy and law-breaking. "1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. {ordained: or, ordered} 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing." Romans 13:1-6 KJV People elect the government and can change it. Governments are accountable to their own laws and constitutions. It’s important also to question bad policies because we create them through our government legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) I have volunteered to meet the truckers in my city today. I also have 2 friends driving with the convoy - one from BC, one from AB. Here's what happened this weekend: The GoFundMe is over $3 million. Trudeau had GoFundMe freeze the account, claiming the money is going to fund terrorist activities. This is being fought. Highway cams have been turned off along the route, so the public can't follow it. CBC news articles claim the convoy is in protest of road conditions in Canada. You are being lied to. The convoy is leaving Edmonton today, it is 100 kms long. Truckers from the US are starting to come up now to join. Estimates 500,000 people, 50,000 trucks. Virtual media blackout on it, except for the lying reports by the CBC. Huge demonstrations all over the world this weekend, tens of thousands in Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto, etc. Again, virtual media blackout. Oh, and for some reason the weigh scales were open on the highways. On Sunday. Haha Trudeau running real scared. Edited January 24, 2022 by Goddess 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Authoritarian governments have problems in two cases: when they need to explain their arbitrary nonsensical policies intelligibly; and when the nonsense of their policies is being called into the open. No, can't stand that. And by the way, looks like we have lost independent and impartial free media somewhere on the way to the bright new dawn. What would be next? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Goddess said: I have volunteered to meet the truckers in my city today. I also have 2 friends driving with the convoy - one from BC, one from AB. Here's what happened this weekend: The GoFundMe is over $3 million. Trudeau had GoFundMe freeze the account, claiming the money is going to fund terrorist activities. This is being fought. Highway cams have been turned off along the route, so the public can't follow it. CBC news articles claim the convoy is in protest of road conditions in Canada. You are being lied to. The convoy is leaving Edmonton today, it is 100 kms long. Truckers from the US are starting to come up now to join. Estimates 500,000 people, 50,000 trucks. Virtual media blackout on it, except for the lying reports by the CBC. Huge demonstrations all over the world this weekend, tens of thousands in Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto, etc. Again, virtual media blackout. Oh, and for some reason the weigh scales were open on the highways. On Sunday. Haha Trudeau running real scared. It’s time for mass rallies across the country. End all restrictions immediately! Stop totalitarianism in Canada! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 hours ago, myata said: What fraking "talent"? What management talent is producing, predictably, consistently over decades, always: crumbling, crumpling, lame duck, collapsing and you name or read in the media it results? Do you really need to compete for these, or just scoop them pretty much anywhere, look we have a shortage in healthcare management, $100K starting salary. Then run meaningful exams and tests for competence and management skills. See what happens. Maybe something better would happen than throwing private CEO compensations at lazy and incompetent bunch proven by the reality around you. There you go, you have no clue so that makes you think you are qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 The National Socialist Woke types will make their move towards totalitarianism. It's what they want...it's what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Goddess said: I have volunteered to meet the truckers in my city today. I also have 2 friends driving with the convoy - one from BC, one from AB. Here's what happened this weekend: The GoFundMe is over $3 million. Trudeau had GoFundMe freeze the account, claiming the money is going to fund terrorist activities. This is being fought. Highway cams have been turned off along the route, so the public can't follow it. CBC news articles claim the convoy is in protest of road conditions in Canada. You are being lied to. The convoy is leaving Edmonton today, it is 100 kms long. Truckers from the US are starting to come up now to join. Estimates 500,000 people, 50,000 trucks. Virtual media blackout on it, except for the lying reports by the CBC. Huge demonstrations all over the world this weekend, tens of thousands in Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto, etc. Again, virtual media blackout. Oh, and for some reason the weigh scales were open on the highways. On Sunday. Haha Trudeau running real scared. Just looked at GoFundMe, the account is still up and people are still donating as we speak Highway cams are provincial, not federal. There are two convoys, one anti vax and the other about BC road conditions. They are not related and the CBC reported on both of them in separate articles. From the CBC article on the road condition convoy Quote The rally, organized by the West Coast Trucking Association, made its way from Surrey to Vancouver Saturday afternoon, in hopes of bringing awareness to the icy and dangerous road conditions truckers say they've had to deal with this winter season. It is different from another rally that left Vancouver for Ottawa protesting vaccine mandates on Sunday. Any US truckers coming in support will have to be fully vaccinated. Don't you check anything? Edited January 24, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 10:11 AM, Aristides said: The vaccinated ones will be very busy doing their jobs. No, it seems like the truckers are sticking together on this one, vaxed and unvaxed alike. They're not as easily divided as the rest of Canadians are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 10:24 AM, Aristides said: No, just doing their jobs. Making money, paying the bills. Why would they want to join an antivax protest? Maybe because they care? Foreign concept, I know, but try to understand anyways. It just takes a bit of empathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: No, it seems like the truckers are sticking together on this one, vaxed and unvaxed alike. They're not as easily divided as the rest of Canadians are. I still don't see how Canada giving US truckers an exemption to cross the border helps Canadian truckers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Goddess said: Trudeau had GoFundMe freeze the account, claiming the money is going to fund terrorist activities. He's a hate mongering sonofabitch. Quote Highway cams have been turned off along the route, so the public can't follow it. "THE PEONS MUST NOT KNOW!" Quote CBC news articles claim the convoy is in protest of road conditions in Canada. You are being lied to. They also say, at least on CTV, that it's only unvaccinated truckers taking part. "THE RIFT! THE GLORIOUS RIFT BETWEEN THE VAXED AND THE DIRTY DIRTY UNVAXED! ALL PRAISE TO FIDEL'S SWEET MESSIAH!" Quote Virtual media blackout on it, except for the lying reports by the CBC. At least it exposes the depth of misinformation in the media these days. A lot of Canadians don't realize just how much CBC and CTV lie to them on a daily basis, but now it's right in their faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, West said: Because it's nobody's business if you took the vax besides yourself and your doctor. Informed consent is the backbone of our society Government has the authority given by God to take whatever action they deem to protect the safety and well-being of it's citizens. This is the same as any employer that requires all it's employees be vaccinated to protect everyone as much as possible. Common sense. Edited January 24, 2022 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: He's a hate mongering sonofabitch. "THE PEONS MUST NOT KNOW!" They also say, at least on CTV, that it's only unvaccinated truckers taking part. "THE RIFT! THE GLORIOUS RIFT BETWEEN THE VAXED AND THE DIRTY DIRTY UNVAXED! ALL PRAISE TO FIDEL'S SWEET MESSIAH!" At least it exposes the depth of misinformation in the media these days. A lot of Canadians don't realize just how much CBC and CTV lie to them on a daily basis, but now it's right in their faces. You don't check shit either. Look at the GoFundMe account yourself FFS. https://www.gofundme.com/f/taking-back-our-freedom-convoy-2022?qid=36de510e12a278ab6e6085003d127330 See, it's still there. Highway cams are on provincial highways websites not federal. Maybe you should read the CBC articles yourself, instead of swallowing all the horse shit you are being fed by whatever you call sources. I provided the links. I Edited January 24, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Aristedes can blow me. Truly one of the most unintelligent people I've ever had the displeasure of trying to discuss things with - a fountain of misinformation, who just walks away and doesn't respond when you point out his lies, yet Johnny on the Spot to point out any minor inconsistency (in his perception) of others. Blow me, Aristedes. 15 minutes ago, Aristides said: Just looked at GoFundMe, the account is still up and people are still donating as we speak They can still donate, the account is frozen, though and funds cannot be taken out as of yet. Dont' act like you know what you're talking about, you didn't know anything about this a few days ago and your only source of (mis)information is MSM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Aristides said: Highway cams are on provincial highways websites not federal. So what? People are taking screenshots of them being shut off along the way. WTF does it matter who shuts them off? I didn't say anything other than - they are being shut off. Which is true. Again - you know nothing beyond the spoon-fed pablum MSM "airplanes" into your mouth like a baby so maybe STFU, mmmmmkay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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