CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 Those who are moderately to severely immunocompromised and “not expected to mount an adequate response” to COVID infection “regardless of vaccine status.” Individuals over 80 years old “whose vaccinations are not up to date.” Individuals over 60 years old who live in “underserved rural or remote communities” in a “long-term care setting” or those living in or from First Nations or Metis communities “whose vaccinations are not up to date” https://globalnews.ca/news/8516531/canada-approved-paxlovid-pfizers-new-oral-covid-pill-what-you-need-to-know/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Those who are moderately to severely immunocompromised and “not expected to mount an adequate response” to COVID infection “regardless of vaccine status.” Individuals over 80 years old “whose vaccinations are not up to date.” Individuals over 60 years old who live in “underserved rural or remote communities” in a “long-term care setting” or those living in or from First Nations or Metis communities “whose vaccinations are not up to date” https://globalnews.ca/news/8516531/canada-approved-paxlovid-pfizers-new-oral-covid-pill-what-you-need-to-know/ soviet bread line health care strikes again stop blaming the unvaccinated and start blaming the shitty health care system 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: soviet bread line health care strikes again stop blaming the unvaccinated and start blaming the shitty health care system The post said nothing about the unvaccinated. In fact it appears that strangely and in an unfair manner these morons who planned the priority groups are giving priority to unvaccinated as ones in high risks and will be getting the pills. I do blame the pharmaceutical companies and the governments for not removing the patents and forcing mass production of the vaccines and these pills by a quick transfer of technology and opening of manufacturing clinics all over the world. An 89% efficacy in hospitalization is almost a cure and we must make those Pfizer to make it available all over the world and quickly like Tylenol or Pfizer Viagra. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 I do think we need to find ways to fast track production of these and other anti-virals. Scarcity breeds contempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I do think we need to find ways to fast track production of these and other anti-virals. Scarcity breeds contempt. I do have contempt for pharmaceutical companies. They are prioritizing their profit over the lives of people and that is contemptable in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: I do have contempt for pharmaceutical companies. They are prioritizing their profit over the lives of people and that is contemptable in my book. was it contemptible when they put their resources into developing the vaccines? you think they would have done that if they just had to eat the costs and lost money on them? profit drives innovation no profit, less innovation, then you'd have no vaccines and no Pfizer pill take your pick there is no have your cake and eat it too "no profit and full innovation" alternative Edited January 18, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 A list of drug and other interaction as long as your arm and lots of possible side effects, this will always be a prescription drug. But anything is better than a vaccine, right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: was it contemptible when they put their resources into developing the vaccines? you think they would have done that if they just had to eat the costs and lost money on them? profit drives innovation no profit, less innovation, then you'd have no vaccines and no Pfizer pill take your pick there is no have your cake and eat it too "no profit and full innovation" alternative Government should take over pharmaceutical industry and be non-profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Government should take over pharmaceutical industry and be non-profit. no vaccines or paxlovid pills then that's how much you hate profit you want to get more people killed those are the consequences of your moronic decision Edited January 18, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 26 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: no vaccines or paxlovid pills then Why is that? It will be the same except government will be running the industry for non profit. Same people employed and same facilities used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Why is that? It will be the same except government will be running the industry for non profit. Same people employed and same facilities used. it won't be the same the profit motive drives innovation hence why the government didn't invent these vaccines and private corporations did without the profit motive the workers will get paid like public sector employees thus decreasing their incentive to work potential profit incentives people to take risks government would never dream of and the taxpayers won't be on the hook if they make the wrong call Edited January 18, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: I do have contempt for pharmaceutical companies. OK, lets run some objective numbers here. In the spring of 2020, in the onset of the pandemic Government of Canada has given out over 1 Billion of its (maybe you thought yours?) money for "Rapid Covid-19 response". Six months on, first vaccine trials begin. End of 2020 - early 2021, first vaccines produced and approved. Any traces of "rapid response" for the $$$ invested? A few months forward (early 2021) first effective therapeutic treatments produced and used for emergency cases. "Rapid response"? Nada, vacuum. Another six months on, and a range of new effective therapeutics are approved including paxlovid with close to 90% effectiveness. Have you heard anything rapid here? This is that over $1 Billion invested by a public bureaucracy into itself, dear, will do for you in close to two years. None. Nothing. Use a microscope or telescope with the same result. Sure blame private pharmaceuticals for their greed. Not that I'm a big fun of, but that's an objective, clear picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 The pills sound expensive, but they're priced to make a similar profit margin for their producers. The vax option is 3x a year for the whole population, so they don't need to have a high price tag to generate billions of dollars worth of revenue. And the vax still results in hospitalizations which are a huge drain on the economy. The pills are an 'as needed' item which you only have to give to a small percentage of the population each flu season. If they cut the hospitalizations down then our health care system will be ahead in the long run. Too bad HCQ or Ivermectin 'don't work'. If they did our health care system would be ahead by billions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) https://covid-vaccine.canada.ca/info/paxlovid-en.html Serious Warnings and Precautions Patients with kidney problems: Tell your healthcare professional before you take PAXLOVID if you have any kidney problems. You might need a lower dose of PAXLOVID. Your healthcare professional will prescribe a dose that is right for you. Serious interactions with other medicines: Many medicines interact with PAXLOVID. Taking PAXLOVID with these medicines may cause serious or life-threatening side effects. Tell your healthcare professional about all the medicines you take before you start taking PAXLOVID. Do not take PAXLOVID if you are taking any of the medicines listed under the “Do not use PAXLOVID if:” section, below. Talk to your healthcare professional first before taking any new medicines. They will tell you if it is safe to take. Other warnings you should know about: Liver problems: Before you take PAXLOVID tell your healthcare professional if you have any liver problems. Liver problems have happened in patients taking ritonavir, a medicine in PAXLOVID. Talk to your healthcare professional if you get any symptoms of liver problems. These include: yellow skin or whites of eyes, nausea, tiredness or feeling unwell, loss of appetite, fever, skin rash, abdominal pain, pale stool or dark coloured urine.Pregnancy and Contraception: Tell your healthcare professional if you are pregnant, think you might be pregnant or are planning to become pregnant. You should not take PAXLOVID if you are pregnant unless your healthcare professional advises that you can. Women should use effective contraception while they are taking PAXLOVID. PAXLOVID may affect how birth control pills, patches and vaginal rings work. You should use alternate contraception or an additional barrier method such as a condom while you are taking PAXLOVID. Talk to your healthcare professional about effective methods of birth control. Breastfeeding: Tell your healthcare professional if you are breastfeeding or plan to breastfeed. PAXLOVID can pass into your breastmilk. Your healthcare professional will tell you if you can breastfeed your baby while taking PAXLOVID. Tell your healthcare professional about all the medicines you take, including any drugs, vitamins, minerals, natural supplements or alternative medicines. Do not take PAXLOVID if you are taking any of the medicines listed under the “When it should not be used” section. Taking PAXLOVID with these medicines may cause serious or life-threatening side effects. The following may also interact with PAXLOVID: medicines used to treat erectile dysfunction, such as tadalafil medicines used to treat pulmonary arterial hypertension, such as bosentan or tadalafil medicines used to lower blood cholesterol, such as atorvastatin and rosuvastatin some medicines affecting the immune system, such as cyclosporin, sirolimus and tacrolimus some medicines used to treat seasonal allergies and ear and eye infections, such as budesonide, dexamethasone, fluticasone propionate, prednisone, and triamcinolone medicines used to treat AIDS and related infections, such as amprenavir, indinavir*, nelfinavir, saquinavir, didanosine*, rifabutin, tipranavir, delavirdine*, atazanavir, maraviroc, fosamprenavir, raltegravir, tenofovir and darunavir medicines used to treat depression, such as trazodone, desipramine and bupropion certain heart medicines, such as calcium channel antagonists including diltiazem, nifedipine and verapamil medicines used to correct heart rhythm, such as systemic lidocaine and digoxin antifungals, such as ketoconazole and itraconazole* morphine-like medicines used to treat severe pain, such as methadone and meperidine anticoagulants, such as warfarin certain antibiotics, such as rifabutin and clarithromycin antibiotics used in the treatment of tuberculosis, such as rifampin bronchodilators used to treat asthma, such as theophylline medicines used to treat cancer, such as abemaciclib, dasatinib, encorafenib, ibrutinib, nilotinib, vincristine and vinblastine medicines used for low blood platelet count, such as fostamatinib some heart rhythm drugs, such as mexiletine and disopyramide some anticonvulsants, such as clonazepam, divalproex, lamotrigine and ethosuximide some narcotic analgesics, such as fentanyl in all forms, tramadol and propoxyphene quetiapine used to treat schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and major depressive disorder medicines used to treat hepatitis C, such as simeprevir, glecaprevir/pibrentasvir or ombitasvir, paritaprevir and ritonavir with or without dasabuvir* some sedatives or medicines to treat anxiety, such as buspirone, clorazepate, diazepam, flurazepam and zolpidem stimulants, such as methamphetamine medicines used to treat pain associated with endometriosis, such as elagolix medicines used to treat depression, such as amitriptyline, clomipramine, fluoxetine, imipramine, maprotiline*, nefazodone*, nortriptyline, paroxetine, sertraline, trimipramine medicines used to treat nausea and vomiting, such as dronabinol* medicines used to treat pneumonia, such as atovaquone medicines used as a sedative and medicines used to help you sleep (hypnotics), such as estazolam medicines used to treat increased pressure in the eye, such as timolol medicines used to lower blood pressure, such as metoprolol medicines used to treat HIV, such as efavirenz medicines used to prevent organ rejection after a transplant, such as everolimus, rapamycin medicines used to treat certain mental/mood disorders such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, such as perphenazine, risperidone and thioridazine medicines used as hormonal contraceptives containing ethinyl estradiol (“the pill”) These are not all the possible side effects you may have when taking PAXLOVID. If you experience any side effects not listed here, tell your healthcare professional. Side effects may include: altered sense of taste diarrhea muscle pain vomiting high blood pressure headache Got to be safer than those vaccines though. LOL Edited January 18, 2022 by Aristides 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) Good list of medication. They have listed just any medication that exist or OI know of!!!! Strange that this pill is basically for older and immunocompromised portion of population and most if not all are indeed using at least one and possibly a lot more of the drugs in the list. Some of those drugs like heart rhythm drugs or blood pressure drugs cannot be stopped even for 5 days. Make you wonder if the new Paxlovid pills is useless for most!!!! Edited January 18, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Good list of medication. They have listed just any medication that exist or OI know of!!!! Strange that this pill is basically for older and immunocompromised portion of population and most if not all are indeed using at least one and possibly a lot more of the drugs in the list. Some of those drugs like heart rhythm drugs or blood pressure drugs cannot be stopped even for 5 days. Make you wonder if the new Paxlovid pills is useless for most!!!! Probably because they haven't been able to evaluate all medications and the ones listed have certain things in common with those that have known risks. That's why this will remain a prescription drug for the foreseeable future. They aren't going to turn it loose in the public with out oversight from doctors and pharmacists until it has a much longer track record, if at all. As with any medication, doctors have to balance the risk from side effects against the risk of not prescribing it. Edited January 19, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) On 1/17/2022 at 5:08 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said: Those who are moderately to severely immunocompromised and “not expected to mount an adequate response” to COVID infection “regardless of vaccine status.” Individuals over 80 years old “whose vaccinations are not up to date.” Individuals over 60 years old who live in “underserved rural or remote communities” in a “long-term care setting” or those living in or from First Nations or Metis communities “whose vaccinations are not up to date” https://globalnews.ca/news/8516531/canada-approved-paxlovid-pfizers-new-oral-covid-pill-what-you-need-to-know/ This is a prescription drug which could make it even more difficult to obtain as it takes weeks to see many doctors. They have to be taken within 5 days of symptoms onset. Yet Government is saying one must also have a Covid test to qualify. Test kits are in short supply in some places and hard to obtain in other places. So how will that work? How will the prescription part of the distribution work? Sounds like they are placing various roadblocks in the way of people who may wake up one morning and find they have Covid symptoms. How much do you want to bet we will be hearing of endless bungling of this? I stand to be corrected on this after reading all the hazards or possible side effect from Paxlovid. It doesn't sound like something a vaccinated person should take. People who have not been vaccinated or older people, etc. and are in serious danger may be in a different situation. Edited January 19, 2022 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Don't give me that vaccine that has been taken by hundreds of millions over the past year, give me that drug which has just been approved and has many interactions and side effects. It has to be safer.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Aristides said: Don't give me that vaccine that has been taken by hundreds of millions over the past year, give me that drug which has just been approved and has many interactions and side effects. It has to be safer.? I guess you are correct. Paxlovid could be dangerous. If a person is double or triple vaccinated, it may be better to just forget taking it, unless they fit into certain categories and have been approved. Not sure why they bring it in as a panacea for millions of people. I know of a couple people who only had a runny nose and bit of sore throat for a couple days and then they were ok. One was tested positive for Covid. They are both self isolating. The other had no test yet. They were both fully vaccinated. So it looks like it may not usually be that serious for a lot of people. Not necessary in that case to take Paxlovid and probably not a good idea either. Very risky. I am not sure about older people, say over 80. They are recommending it can be taken by certain categories of people. Not sure how that is decided. Edited January 19, 2022 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Aristides said: Don't give me that vaccine that has been taken by hundreds of millions over the past year, OK, makes sense. You always take all vaccines and medicines against all minimal and miniscule risks in life including slipping on ice, being in a traffic accident, getting hit by a lightning or tsunami not to mention flu and common cold and any number of known unlikely diseases. Sure, makes sense. For you. And if you could just limit it at that we could have a perfect agreement. Edited January 19, 2022 by myata 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, myata said: OK, makes sense. You always take all vaccines and medicines against all minimal and miniscule risks in life including slipping on ice, being in a traffic accident, getting hit by a lightning or tsunami not to mention flu and common cold and any number of known unlikely diseases. Sure, makes sense. For you. And if you could just limit it at that we could have a perfect agreement. No, what makes me laugh is the same people who look for any excuse to pan a vaccine jump for joy when treatments come along with long lists of side effects and drug interactions. They make a big deal about the possibility but undemonstrated long term effects of a vaccine but ignore published side effects and interactions of their favourite drug. If the government allowed this drug over the counter and it started killing people or giving them severe long term consequences in spite of what they know about it, you would be among the first to rant about overpaid, incompetent officials killing people. if this disease is such a nothing burger, why do we need a drug at all? Edited January 19, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: if this disease is such a nothing burger, why do we need a drug at all? No you don't seem to understand: please, please by all and any means feel free to inject anything you like into you, however and whenever and whatever you like. I'll be perfectly fine with that if you ask my advice or opinion. And then let's just leave it at that. Can we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, myata said: No you don't seem to understand: please, please by all and any means feel free to inject anything you like into you, however and whenever and whatever you like. I'll be perfectly fine with that if you ask my advice or opinion. And then let's just leave it at that. Can we? I understand alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Aristides said: I understand alright. That's why we have medical specialists. We let them advise and decide what we put in our bodies, be it by injection or mouth. There are risks and side effects with practically every medication. The doctors and specialists are the ones who decide whether the benefits outweigh the risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, blackbird said: There are risks and side effects with practically every medication. Right and with any and every medication till now you, an individual not the specialist have the final decision on what will and will not be put into your body. Did you forget that already, or what honestly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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