H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: clearly you do or you wouldn't defend all totalitarian measures from criticism No one ever was found to defend anything because you assigned them of it on an anonymous chat board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, H B Lowrey said: No, your doctor will decide that. You have contempt for the people.  You don’t believe that they should have control over their own destinies.  You think political leaders and people in positions of authority deserve total carte blanche authority.  It’s anti-democratic and against the spirit of our constitution and liberal-democracy itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said: Here, they go away and will not be allowed to become a spreader/carrier. Same for outpatient surgery centers. Mask up and have a negative test, or reschedule. Just like of you have AIDS there will be precautions taken. What will happen if they keep coming back unmasked to the medical clinic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, Zeitgeist said: You have contempt for the people.  You don’t believe that they should have control over their own destinies.  You think political leaders and people in positions of authority deserve total carte blanche authority.  It’s anti-democratic and against the spirit of our constitution and liberal-democracy itself. No hon, I have conempt for the bullshit you're posting. And that's very democratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, Winston said: What will happen if they keep coming back unmasked to the medical clinic? The same thing that happened the previous times. And we have quite a few COVID deniers here in the US who had radio and podcast shows that rode their misinformed convictions right into the grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said: Such wackass jibberish. based on what you call Jibberish using it refer to my posts is a badge of honor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said: No one ever was found to defend anything because you assigned them of it on an anonymous chat board. well then why are you attacking everyone criticizing these measures and why have you not spoken out against any? because you agree with them don't snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: based on what you call Jibberish using it refer to my posts is a badge of honor Good, be happy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said: The same thing that happened the previous times. And we have quite a few COVID deniers here in the US who had radio and podcast shows that rode their misinformed convictions right into the grave.  Force will be applied to remove them. People using the threat of force or death will remove them. A choice can not be made under threat the of force or death. If however there were clinics that allowed unmasked people and the unmasked person chose to attend a masked clinic, then that would be a direct choice. At which point I would agree with your statement, this does not exist today.  Edited January 22, 2022 by Winston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said: No hon, I have conempt for the bullshit you're posting. And that's very democratic. The great thing about watching you implode on here is that anyone who reads these threads with a modicum of good sense will see how controlling and punitive you are. Its ridiculousness just affirms the importance of removing restrictions and restoring freedoms.  Your pitch is unsupportable, even from the left.  Even Bill Maher said that Omicron’s spread among the vaccinated has proven that vaccines are about protecting yourself, not others. Mandates are unnecessary overreach.  Masks fall in the same category. We got vaccinated in order to drop restrictions, not to have both.  The only way to get past restrictions and mandates is to drop them.  The treatments and protections are there.  It’s about political will.  I’d say that politicians are having an increasingly hard time defending positions like yours.  Edited January 22, 2022 by Zeitgeist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 if HB didn't support these measures when people criticize them, he'd criticize them too not defend them from all criticism and stay silent that he opposes them too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: well then why are you attacking everyone criticizing these measures and why have you not spoken out against any? because you agree with them don't snow I'm no attacking anyone, are you? I know what to do and I can digest the primary peer-reviewed research for myself. Have you spoken with your primary care physician on this matter you're all worked up over? What I seen most regarding "these measures" are fits of hysteria by people who reject "these measures" and aren't participating anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Winston said:  Force will be applied to remove them. People using the threat of force or death will remove them. A choice can not be made under threat the of force or death. If however there were clinics that allowed unmasked people and the unmasked person chose to attend a masked clinic, then that would be a direct choice. At which point I would agree with your statement, this does not exist today.  So mask up and go or don't. I don't mind either war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said: I'm no attacking anyone, are you? I know what to do and I can digest the primary peer-reviewed research for myself. Have you spoken with your primary care physician on this matter you're all worked up over? What I seen most regarding "these measures" are fits of hysteria by people who reject "these measures" and aren't participating anyway. if you don't support these measures then say so all you have done thus far is defend them from all criticism Edited January 22, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The great thing about watching you implode on here is that anyone who reads these threads with a modicum of good sense will see how controlling and punitive you are. Its ridiculousness just affirms the importance of removing restrictions and restoring freedoms.  Your pitch is unsupportable, even from the left.  Even Bill Maher said that Omicron’s spread among the vaccinated has proven that vaccines are about protecting yourself, not others. Mandates are unnecessary overreach.  Masks fall in the same category. We got vaccinated in order to drop restrictions, not to have both.  The only way to get past restrictions and mandates is to drop them.  The treatments and protections are there.  It’s about political will.  I’d say that politicians are having an increasingly hard time defending positions like yours.  I do not accept your assignment of "my position". I don't gaf what you do. I know what to do for me and those around me. That's it. Your physician's advice hopefully has nothing to do with political will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, H B Lowrey said: So mask up and go or don't. I don't mind either war. Thanks. Thus force is applied to people for vaccinations, masking and behavior. Nothing about this is by choice. We have reach a state of Totalitarianism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, H B Lowrey said: I do not accept your assignment of "my position". I don't gaf what you do. I know what to do for me and those around me. That's it. Your physician's advice hopefully has nothing to do with political will. if you don't want people to assign your position for you then state your position all we have to go on is your idiotic criticism of our position and your cowardice in refusing to state your own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: if you don't support these measures then say so all you have done thus far is defend them from all criticism No, I've merely refused to support the utterings of emotionally jacked up folk with no background in molecular biology, retroviral communicable air borne diseases or biopharmaceutical research.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said: I do not accept your assignment of "my position". I don't gaf what you do. I know what to do for me and those around me. That's it. Your physician's advice hopefully has nothing to do with political will. So are you pivoting to personal choice by saying that people should make medical decisions based on private discussions with their own doctors?  Do you leave it to the patient to make the final decision about protections and treatments?  Do you believe that most people can make informed decisions? Edited January 22, 2022 by Zeitgeist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Winston said: Thanks. Thus force is applied to people for vaccinations, masking and behavior. Nothing about this is by choice. We have reach a state of Totalitarianism. Oh for fuck sake, you're such a drama queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, Zeitgeist said: So are you pivoting to personal choice by saying that people should make medical decisions based on private discussions with their own doctors?  No hon, there was no pivot involved, and you're still butthurt. You will mask up to see your doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said: No, I've merely refused to support the utterings of emotionally jacked up folk with no background in molecular biology, retroviral communicable air borne diseases or biopharmaceutical research.  if you don't state your position then refusal to condemn totalitarian restrictions and your moronic criticism of all who do will leave us to believe you support them we can do the math Edited January 22, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H B Lowrey Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: if you don't state your position then refusal to condemn totalitarian restrictions and your moronic criticism of all who do will leave us to believe you support them we can do the math I don't gaf what you run around in your own little head and decide to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022  2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: if you don't state your position then refusal to condemn totalitarian restrictions and your moronic criticism of all who do will leave us to believe you support them we can do the math Yes HB is pro totalitarian restrictions and the use of force, it was obvious from the post of freedom of "choice" with regard to the use of force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said: I don't gaf what you run around in your own little head and decide to believe. state your position you cowardly troll you can fuck right off with your criticize everyone and never take a position to avoid criticism of your position bullshit you add nothing to conversation while accusing those who of failing to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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