QuebecOverCanada Posted December 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: I heard that about the Norwegian cruise ship too. You had to be vaxxed to get on board - crew or passenger. Then boom, bang covid outbreak. Pandemic of the unvaccinated my Aunt Matilda. Socrates was right a few millenia before us. He knew that doubt was the answer to everything. He was right. These vaccines promoted by these experts, these politicians in high office, those businessmen, those doctors. We are learning a collective lesson. Doubt. Edited December 7, 2021 by QuebecOverCanada 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Aristides said: t would help if the entitled weren't so willing to burden the system with their entitlement. Let's be realistic in assessment of the health care system. Piece of crap before covid. Canadians need to figure out where their heads are on this. It's time to make better plans. Health care should not be a zero-sum game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Let's be realistic in assessment of the health care system. Piece of crap before covid. Canadians need to figure out where their heads are on this. It's time to make better plans. Health care should not be a zero-sum game. Be prepared to pay for it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Whatever happened to my body my choice too? You have a choice, you just want immunity from the consequences of your choices, both for yourself and for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 I have been thinking about this really much. How far are they going to push this and why are they pushing it so hard. I hope I'm right that Finland is softer than Germany in the sense that it can't get that bad here that you couldn't get to the grocery store without being vaccinated. In Germany they have no such qualms . I work for a multinational company where it is just a matter of time they will make the vaccine-passports mandatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Vaccines weren't the panacea Big Pharma promised to sell us in a hurry, with contracts which are confidential from the public. And for the best of it, nobody noticed! Like the news is right before the eyes - no sorry, can't see, no connection. All is going according to the plan, not to worry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Be prepared to pay for it then. We already do pay for it, and if we can afford to payout 30 bil for the first year and 9 bil every year after just for daycare, then i say we can afford it...Wait the liberals have lots of new programs that could be used , but health care does not rate with Canadians and it is not that we don't think it needs to be fixed, Canadians don't get cash back from health care thats why they don't support it...It's all about the money babe.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted December 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, -TSS- said: I have been thinking about this really much. How far are they going to push this and why are they pushing it so hard. The ones in authority who push for this do it for the money and fame. The populace who is for it has Stockholm syndrome or anxiety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted December 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 40 minutes ago, myata said: And for the best of it, nobody noticed! Like the news is right before the eyes - no sorry, can't see, no connection. All is going according to the plan, not to worry! Remember at the start of the pandemic when all the news oulets all of a sudden started complaining about conspicary theories or made them sound as crazy as it could get, even though some are highly legitimate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted December 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: We already do pay for it, and if we can afford to payout 30 bil for the first year and 9 bil every year after just for daycare, then i say we can afford it...Wait the liberals have lots of new programs that could be used , but health care does not rate with Canadians and it is not that we don't think it needs to be fixed, Canadians don't get cash back from health care thats why they don't support it...It's all about the money babe.... Talking about Bills... Pfizer had hefty fines in the last decades. Not a charitable entreprise if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, -TSS- said: I have been thinking about this really much. How far are they going to push this and why are they pushing it so hard. This virus is not going away until everyone in the world is vaccinated...and the 3 rd world is not doing so well. But we are still panicking here because we have not reached 90 % or better. So this is what we do we continue to let people travel, and they keep coming back with new variants.... we are OK with cutting people off, from almost everything in their lives but we have this thing about travel that we are willing to die over...anyone swinging that axe, nope...but lets tell the neighbor hey your not allowed outside you dirty bastards... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted December 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, Army Guy said: This virus is not going away until everyone in the world is vaccinated...and the 3 rd world is not doing so well. But we are still panicking here because we have not reached 90 % or better. So this is what we do we continue to let people travel, and they keep coming back with new variants.... we are OK with cutting people off, from almost everything in their lives but we have this thing about travel that we are willing to die over...anyone swinging that axe, nope...but lets tell the neighbor hey your not allowed outside you dirty bastards... But the dirty bastard isn't as rich as the traveling bastard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Army Guy said: This virus is not going away until everyone in the world is vaccinated...and the 3 rd world is not doing so well. But we are still panicking here because we have not reached 90 % or better. So this is what we do we continue to let people travel, and they keep coming back with new variants.... we are OK with cutting people off, from almost everything in their lives but we have this thing about travel that we are willing to die over...anyone swinging that axe, nope...but lets tell the neighbor hey your not allowed outside you dirty bastards... But even if 100% of the population was vaccinated, there will still be breakthrough cases and viral spread. Yes the prevalence would be lower, but the mandate enforcement would be violent. In Canada the Covid death rate wouldn’t fall much lower, as our population is mostly vaccinated. Covid is shifting to flu status as it spreads. We’re gaining the antibodies through infection or vaccination. As with the flu, vulnerable populations will need to be more careful. Boosters will account for new variants and treatments will improve. That’s it. We must lift restrictions and shift to acceptable risk and personal responsibility. We need to decide as a society whether to live in permanent fearful separation and masking or a normal social realm with reasonable caution. So far Canada has rejected freedom and reasonable caution. Many US states have shifted to acceptable risk and personal responsibility. Some might have higher death rates, but they’re freer societies and right now I know where I’d rather be. It isn’t Canada. Edited December 7, 2021 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 47 minutes ago, Army Guy said: We already do pay for it, and if we can afford to payout 30 bil for the first year and 9 bil every year after just for daycare, then i say we can afford it...Wait the liberals have lots of new programs that could be used , but health care does not rate with Canadians and it is not that we don't think it needs to be fixed, Canadians don't get cash back from health care thats why they don't support it...It's all about the money babe.... That part I agree with. We should make the social programs we already have work properly before we start new ones we can't afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: But even if 100% of the population was vaccinated, there will still be breakthrough cases and viral spread. Yes the prevalence would be lower, but the mandate enforcement would be violent. In Canada the Covid death rate wouldn’t fall much lower, as our population is mostly vaccinated. Covid is shifting to flu status as it spreads. We’re gaining the antibodies through infection or vaccination. As with the flu, vulnerable populations will need to be more careful. Boosters will account for new variants and treatments will improve. That’s it. We must lift restrictions and shift to acceptable risk and personal responsibility. We need to decide as a society whether to live in permanent fearful separation and masking or a normal life with reasonable caution. Expecting the vaccinated to protect those who won't get vaccinated is not taking personal responsibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: Expecting the vaccinated to protect those who won't get vaccinated is not taking personal responsibly. The vaccinated are protecting themselves. It’s got nothing to do with the unvaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted December 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Aristides said: Expecting the vaccinated to protect those who won't get vaccinated is not taking personal responsibly. Who brought Omicron here? The vaccinated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Aristides said: They aren't being punished, they are doing it to themselves. How? It is the government punishing them on behalf of you that's not them punishing themselves, that's people like you demanding they be punished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Aristides said: Expecting the vaccinated to protect those who won't get vaccinated is not taking personal responsibly. expecting the unvaccinated to protect the vaccinated is not taking personal responsibility 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: How? It is the government punishing them on behalf of you that's not them punishing themselves, that's people like you demanding they be punished Exactly. The sadists are running the show right now. Working people and people who need to work to survive know this because they’re feeling the impact every day, if they can keep their jobs. It’s not just the unvaccinated workers feeling the pressure. Far from it. Edited December 7, 2021 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted December 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: expecting the unvaccinated to protect the vaccinated is not taking personal responsibility It is relatively easy to see that he is the sophist Socrates warned us about a few millenia ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, QuebecOverCanada said: It is relatively easy to see that he is the sophist Socrates warned us about a few millenia ago. he's not even an effective sophist he has terrible arguments backing up his terrible position even the media is better at selling this nonsense than he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Who brought Omicron here? The vaccinated. What does that have to do with the unvaccinated expecting the vaccinated to protect them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: It is relatively easy to see that he is the sophist Socrates warned us about a few millenia ago. You blather on about things like herd immunity but seem to have no clue what that means. The only way to get it is with vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: What does that have to do with the unvaccinated expecting the vaccinated to protect them? what does that have to do with the vaccinated expecting the unvaccinated to protect them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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