Ban on Conversion Therapy Passes

[Queenmandy85]

The bill banning conversion therapy passed unanimously in the House of Commons. All parties worked together to expedite its passage. Members from all parties exchanged handshakes and hugs. Michelle Rempel Garner was dancing in her place. That is how Parliament can work. It is a great day.

[Shady]

Now they just need to ban transitioning hormone therapy for children.

[Infidel Dog]

20 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Members from all parties exchanged handshakes and hugs. Michelle Rempel Garner was dancing in her place.

That seems odd.

She's one of the few PCs with anything like a traditional conservative rep. You'd think she'd worry about pissing off a subsection of her followers. She used to have a youtube following I know, because I was one of them, but youtube stopped sending me reminders so I forgot about her.

Still...I'm suspicious about that. Doesn't seem likely. I'll have to check it out.

I don't care either way about conversion therapy myself, but in general, not a fan of bans.

Edited December 1, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The bill banning conversion therapy passed unanimously in the House of Commons. All parties worked together to expedite its passage. Members from all parties exchanged handshakes and hugs. Michelle Rempel Garner was dancing in her place. That is how Parliament can work. It is a great day.

further proof all the parties are the same and are all woke

it's a trash bill

[Infidel Dog]

I had to switch to Google to find it but yeah...it sounds like Michelle Rempel has flipped to wokeism over traditional Conservatism if she can pass it off as human rights.

Apparently if somebody signs up for conversion therapy he's too stupid to know he had the human right to say no or something. He needs Michelle and the new woke right to pass a law forbidding such choices.

Wonder if it has anything to do with her having three names now.

Whatever... Too bad though. I kinda liked her.

Edited December 2, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Yzermandius19]

38 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I had to switch to Google to find it but yeah...it sounds like Michelle Rempel has flipped to wokeism over traditional Conservatism if she can pass it off as human rights.

Apparently if somebody signs up for conversion therapy he's stupid to know he had the human right to say no or something. He needs Michelle and the new woke right to pass a law forbidding such choices.

Wonder if it has anything to do with her having three names now.

Whatever... Too bad though. I kinda liked her.

the CPC are just the blue liberals

all roads lead to the Liberal Party of Canada and it's woke dogma

there is no opposition

those who actually oppose their agenda are surrounded by the woke mob everywhere

trapped behind enemy lines

Canada fell to the woke long ago

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Queenmandy85]

Is it "woke" to stand up for what is right?

Edited December 2, 2021 by Queenmandy85

[Yzermandius19]

23 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Is it "woke" to stand up for what is right?

banning personal choice

to pander to the woke

ain't what's right

this bill is woke af

 

it claims to help the alphabet people

while restricting their personal choices

hypocrisy over 9000

the fact that you buy into that obvious propaganda

shows a lack of critical thinking skills

Edited December 2, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[OftenWrong]

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

It is a great day.

What an important issue this is, for Candians.

Will sleep better at night... knowing... that we have such great and dedicated leaders, who are willing to put in the time to deal with urgent matters.

Outstanding

...

/s

Edited December 2, 2021 by OftenWrong
confirmed all spelling

[myata]

It was already commented that all what happens in the public policy in this country can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Let's go:

1. Prohibit or criminalize something

2. Decriminalize something else

3. Allocate and spend XYZ public billions on something (e.g. "rapid Covid-19 response").

and... wait... oh yes how can we forget,

4. Sincere regret and apology (including for p.p. 1-3 in the past).

Nothing else, essentially, happens maybe because it wouldn't be on the list? Name one significant positive development, change for the better in the public life for majority of Canadians recently? OK then, in the last decade, two, three decades? In the meanwhile, MP salary shot to the astronomical, stellar heights like in the song, and who said there's a limit for us... them?

There can be a stage in life, trajectory evolution, when plans, commitments, resolutions and intentions come easily and happily (on paper) as ever, but nothing happens in the reality. There's a word for that too.

 

[Queenmandy85]

23 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

banning personal choice

to pander to the woke

ain't what's right

this bill is woke af

 

it claims to help the alphabet people

while restricting their personal choices

hypocrisy over 9000

the fact that you buy into that obvious propaganda

shows a lack of critical thinking skills

First of all, it is conversion therapy is fraud. It claims are snake oil. Second, it is assault / torture. Why should those crimes be legal?

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

First of all, it is conversion therapy is fraud. It claims are snake oil. Second, it is assault / torture. Why should those crimes be legal?

it isn't assault or torture

those who think it is

don't have to put themselves through it if they don't want to, problem solved

the people who freely choose to undergo it

should be free to choose it if they like

regardless of you or my feelings about it

Edited December 3, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[blackbird]

On 12/1/2021 at 1:06 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

The bill banning conversion therapy passed unanimously in the House of Commons. All parties worked together to expedite its passage. Members from all parties exchanged handshakes and hugs. Michelle Rempel Garner was dancing in her place. That is how Parliament can work. It is a great day.

This is a great day for the Devil and the forces of darkness who are enslaved in the liberal ideology of decadence and immorality.  I am sure the Devil and his minions are dancing a victory dance in what appears to be another successful attack against Christianity and western traditional civilization.

"But the ominous — and for faithful Christians utterly unacceptable — aspect of the attempt to ban “conversion therapy” is the expansion of its meaning to cover any expressed opposition to homosexuality or transgenderism. While highlighting this is the focus of this article, it should nevertheless be added that voluntary therapy to overcome homosexuality or transgenderism — alternatively called “reparative therapy” or “sexual orientation change efforts” (SOCE) — indeed should not be illegal, even for (or maybe especially for) minors. To prohibit it violates the freedom of speech of both therapist and client, and also violates religious freedom if the objective of therapy is obedience to religious precepts against homosexuality or transgenderism." 

"What CI (Christian Institute) emphasizes is that the proposed legislation in Great Britain “would criminalize the ordinary work of churches.” Only a small part of what Evangelical or other traditional Christian churches do actually addresses homosexuality or transgenderism, but where it does, holding inclinations and actions Scripture clearly says are sinful to be sinful, and urging repentance would be illegal conversion therapy under certain legislative proposals, and subject to severe penalties.

Simon Calvert of the Christian Institute observes that while the government’s current proposal does not say precisely what “conversion therapy” covers, the LGBT activists who chose the term “conversion therapy” are clear that it must include “prayer, preaching and pastoral counseling.” Indeed, all religious activities involving turning people from LGBT inclinations and behavior, including exorcism, and perhaps parental instruction, would be illegal. It amounts to a loss of state neutrality, with the state mandating theology supportive of homosexuality and transgenderism.

This writer would add that the term “conversion” in “conversion therapy” may have been carefully chosen. Just as it is being expanded from meaning professional counseling to overcome homosexuality to religious teaching against homosexuality, so it can be expanded from sex to religion. That is to say, exhorting to religious conversion from one religion to another, or from no religion to a particular religion, or even from any religion to no religion, could become illegal conversion therapy. Any claim that salvation can only be found in Christ, and all other approaches to God are vain, could be criminalized as “conversion therapy.” 

 Conversion therapy bans strike at the Gospel | Voice (christianpost.com)

It is clear from this that such a law that basically silences churches, ministers, and believers is an attack on freedom of religion which is guaranteed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.  This is the direction the world is heading.  It is to create a liberal free for all of immorality and depravity with no contrary voices allowed.

"1  This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, {false…: or, one who foments strife} 4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." 2 Timothy 3:1-5 KJV

We are in the last days, as prophesied long ago, in which the world is self-destructing and becoming more evil.  Many people (the woke, liberals, or progressives) think we are becoming more enlightened, but to anyone with an ounce of insight into the truth, the opposite is true.

Edited December 3, 2021 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

39 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This is a great day for the Devil and the forces of darkness who are enslaved in the liberal ideology of decadence and immorality.  I am sure the Devil and his minions are dancing a victory dance in what appears to be another successful attack against Christianity and western traditional civilization.

This is a crystal-clear articulation of how you think policy should be decided for all of us: believers and the other god-damned-to-hell kind.  

Keep at it.  As they used to say "you'll find your reward in heaven".  On earth, though, your reward will be a succession of Liberal majority governments...

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is a crystal-clear articulation of how you think policy should be decided for all of us: believers and the other god-damned-to-hell kind.  

Keep at it.  As they used to say "you'll find your reward in heaven".  On earth, though, your reward will be a succession of Liberal majority governments...

The Bible warns about the end times in which we now live.   You can dismiss it all as rubbish as many people do, but the signs are pretty clear the days we are living in fit into the description of the Days of Noah.  That was a period in history immediately before the flood when mankind had become very evil.  The whole earth was full of evil except Noah and his family.  So God told Noah and his family to build an ark.  Noah and his family went into the ark and God destroyed life on earth with the great Flood as a judgement upon mankind for it's depravity.  The only people spared were Noah and his family.

"Jesus Christ said that end-time events would be like those during the days of Noah. What were those conditions like, and why should we be concerned?

Discussing the time near His return to earth, Jesus declared, “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all” (Luke 17:26-27).

It appears people thought they were living normal lives during the time Noah lived, just before the Flood. They were oblivious to the impending disaster. So what was Jesus talking about?

Who was Noah?

The Bible says that “Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations” and that he “walked with God” (Genesis 6:9). Noah had three sons, who were named Shem, Ham and Japheth.

When God brought a universal flood upon the earth to destroy all mankind, only Noah and his family were spared. Peter states that God “did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly” (2 Peter 2:5).

These eight people included Noah, his wife, their three sons and their sons’ wives (Genesis 6:18).

Widespread violence in the days of Noah

Since Jesus said that the last days would parallel the society of Noah’s day, we can look further into God’s Word to learn what He meant. The book of Genesis explains what conditions were like at that time.

Not long after God placed human beings on earth, mankind refused to follow the good and beneficial instructions of God that would have led to stable, happy lives. Instead, they quickly headed toward self-destruction.

Following Adam and Eve’s example of rejecting God’s instructions, humanity became increasingly hostile and corrupt. By the time of Noah, “the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” (Genesis 6:5).

Because of this, God said that He was “sorry” that He had created mankind (verse 6) and told Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth” (verse 13).

God’s grieving was not sorrow for making a mistake. God doesn’t make mistakes. God gave His human creation the freedom to choose between right and wrong (Proverbs 1:29-31), and He was grieved in His heart to see how far humanity had fallen from what He originally intended."

For the whole article:  As in the Days of Noah: Warnings for Today (lifehopeandtruth.com)

Electing liberal governments will not save you.  Neither can conservative governments.  They are not much different.  It is only a matter of time before God destroys it all.  It could well be destroyed before Jesus Christ returns to earth.  You must know China is Rising and the number of nuclear weapons which countries have could easily wipe out a good part of the planet.  Watch some of the videos on youtube about China Rising.  Just put it in a search window.  Mankind is in an extremely dangerous situation at the moment between the threat of nuclear war, more pandemics, and the evil decadent world which God does not look favourably on.  Liberal governments cannot save you.  The clock is ticking.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

26 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Bible warns about the end times in which we now live.   You can dismiss it all as rubbish as many people do

Ok, thanks.

[Faramir]

Wow, so now they get to decide what I do in my private home.

[Faramir]

16 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

First of all, it is conversion therapy is fraud. It claims are snake oil. Second, it is assault / torture. Why should those crimes be legal?

No homosexuality is a fraud.

[Faramir]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The Bible warns about the end times in which we now live.   You can dismiss it all as rubbish as many people do, but the signs are pretty clear the days we are living in fit into the description of the Days of Noah.  That was a period in history immediately before the flood when mankind had become very evil.  The whole earth was full of evil except Noah and his family.  So God told Noah and his family to build an ark.  Noah and his family went into the ark and God destroyed life on earth with the great Flood as a judgement upon mankind for it's depravity.  The only people spared were Noah and his family.

"Jesus Christ said that end-time events would be like those during the days of Noah. What were those conditions like, and why should we be concerned?

Discussing the time near His return to earth, Jesus declared, “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all” (Luke 17:26-27).

It appears people thought they were living normal lives during the time Noah lived, just before the Flood. They were oblivious to the impending disaster. So what was Jesus talking about?

Who was Noah?

The Bible says that “Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations” and that he “walked with God” (Genesis 6:9). Noah had three sons, who were named Shem, Ham and Japheth.

When God brought a universal flood upon the earth to destroy all mankind, only Noah and his family were spared. Peter states that God “did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly” (2 Peter 2:5).

These eight people included Noah, his wife, their three sons and their sons’ wives (Genesis 6:18).

Widespread violence in the days of Noah

Since Jesus said that the last days would parallel the society of Noah’s day, we can look further into God’s Word to learn what He meant. The book of Genesis explains what conditions were like at that time.

Not long after God placed human beings on earth, mankind refused to follow the good and beneficial instructions of God that would have led to stable, happy lives. Instead, they quickly headed toward self-destruction.

Following Adam and Eve’s example of rejecting God’s instructions, humanity became increasingly hostile and corrupt. By the time of Noah, “the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” (Genesis 6:5).

Because of this, God said that He was “sorry” that He had created mankind (verse 6) and told Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth” (verse 13).

God’s grieving was not sorrow for making a mistake. God doesn’t make mistakes. God gave His human creation the freedom to choose between right and wrong (Proverbs 1:29-31), and He was grieved in His heart to see how far humanity had fallen from what He originally intended."

For the whole article:  As in the Days of Noah: Warnings for Today (lifehopeandtruth.com)

Electing liberal governments will not save you.  Neither can conservative governments.  They are not much different.  It is only a matter of time before God destroys it all.  It could well be destroyed before Jesus Christ returns to earth.  You must know China is Rising and the number of nuclear weapons which countries have could easily wipe out a good part of the planet.  Watch some of the videos on youtube about China Rising.  Just put it in a search window.  Mankind is in an extremely dangerous situation at the moment between the threat of nuclear war, more pandemics, and the evil decadent world which God does not look favourably on.  Liberal governments cannot save you.  The clock is ticking.

 

 

Even putting God aside, it makes no scientific sense to label people who are confused about what is between their legs means for their gender.  There are two genders in humans and mammals.  Otherwise I can call myself my sexuality as a balloon fanatic.  

[Faramir]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

This is a crystal-clear articulation of how you think policy should be decided for all of us: believers and the other god-damned-to-hell kind.  

Keep at it.  As they used to say "you'll find your reward in heaven".  On earth, though, your reward will be a succession of Liberal majority governments...

So....if I tell my son he is indeed a boy and that the reason he might feel attraction to the same sex is normal teenage confusion ..... I can be hauled into a court?

[Queenmandy85]

I meant for the OP to be about parliament, not religion. Blackbird and I have talked privately and I will respect his views. For me, the refreshing aspect of the story is that Parliament worked. All parties worked together. It also put any question of Mr. O'Toole's leadership to rest.

3 minutes ago, Faramir said:

So....if I tell my son he is indeed a boy and that the reason he might feel attraction to the same sex is normal teenage confusion ..... I can be hauled into a court?

You don't get it. It doesn't matter what you tell your son. He will be either gay or straight and nothing will change his preference. If he was born straight, he will always be attracted to girls. If he was born gay, he will always be attracted to men. Your job is to show him support and make certain he knows he is loved by his parents for who he is.

Yzermandius, are you willing to undergo conversion therapy to become gay?

[Queenmandy85]

14 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Otherwise I can call myself my sexuality as a balloon fanatic.  

Hey, balloons are a legitimate fetish. Don't knock it until you've tried it. ?

[dialamah]

20 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Even putting God aside, it makes no scientific sense to label people who are confused about what is between their legs means for their gender.  There are two genders in humans and mammals.  Otherwise I can call myself my sexuality as a balloon fanatic.  

Were you ever confused about what was between your legs?  I sure wasn't.  The hormones that define your sexuality are pretty effective, especially once puberty hits.  The most confused people are those who are told that what's between their legs defines attraction, when they actually feel very differently.

Some people are actually born intersex - that is with evidence of both male and female genitalia so clearly there is more going on that 'boy or girl and nothing else'.  When these people hit adolescence, their hormones (usually) tell them who they find attractive -  males or females.  This has presented serious problems for boys who were deemed girls at birth because their gender was not clearly defined by their genitalia and and girls are easier to make than boys.

Homosexual behavior has been observed in animals.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Faramir said:

So....if I tell my son he is indeed a boy and that the reason he might feel attraction to the same sex is normal teenage confusion ..... I can be hauled into a court?

Sorry what?  Your logic leaps would make a kangaroo cry in his Foster's Lager.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You don't get it. It doesn't matter what you tell your son. He will be either gay or straight and nothing will change his preference. If he was born straight, he will always be attracted to girls. If he was born gay, he will always be attracted to men. Your job is to show him support and make certain he knows he is loved by his parents for who he is.

The belief of being born gay is a widely held belief but many dispute that claim and say there is no scientific evidence.  The opposing side believe it is a social construct caused by surrounding influences in society.  This is an important issue because if people are born gay then there is less hope that they can change.  If they are not born gay, then there is more credence to the claim it is a social construct that can more easily change.

Quote  In 1996, The Advocate, a gay and lesbian magazine, asked readers what they believed the potential impact would be to the advancement of gay and lesbian rights if a scientific discovery proves a biological basis for homosexuality. About 61 percent of the magazine’s readers asserted that such scientific research would advance the cause of gays and lesbians and lead to more positive attitudes toward homosexuality. For example, if one can be born gay, much as one can be born with brown eyes, then a fair society could not possibly condemn him as being unnatural or immoral. To that end, gay activists and the liberal media have actively encouraged the idea that homosexuality is inherited and unchangeable, and researchers have diligently sought scientific evidence to back up that claim. Unfortunately for the pro-homosexuality movement, the research on this subject has failed to establish any scientific evidence that shows a purely genetic basis for homosexuality.  Unquote

For the full article go to:

Can a person be born gay? | GotQuestions.org

There are many website articles on this.  One must wonder what makes the liberals accept one view and reject the other.  Do they choose one view purely for political reasons to appeal to a certain base?  Or do they accept one view so that it will fit in with their ideology of diversity and inclusion?  I suspect a bit of both reasons.

Edited December 3, 2021 by blackbird