CPC in trouble

[Yzermandius19]

8 hours ago, dialamah said:

The truly politically lazy are people who simply accuse the entire other side of all kinds of evil thoughts and deeds.

Canada itself is a political lazy nation

as are the vast majority of Canadians

it's hardly just the Liberals

[Queenmandy85]

On the bright side, it is important to remember that politics isn't really all that important. It is a sport like hockey and football. It provides us with entertainment but in the course of governing, governments will do what needs doing. Some governments perform better than others and sometimes you get a government like BC's Glenn Clark. You would wake up in the morning and open up your newspaper to see what bone-head thing he did that day. You knew he would do something stupid, but the fun was to see the lengths he would go to to find some unique imaginative stupid thing to do. The point is, the party label doesn't matter. He was NDP. Roy Romanow was NDP and the complete opposite on the competence scale. The governments of BC and Saskatchewan continued to perform regardless of who was Premier.

 

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

On the bright side, it is important to remember that politics isn't really all that important.

The point is, the party label doesn't matter.

facts

especially in Canada

[Zeitgeist]

The CPC is in trouble because it’s afraid of standing up to the woke mob to defend conservative principles.

None of its leaders have the balls to say that favouring some races over others by granting them special privileges and money is unethical, racist, and perpetuates cultures of dependency that weaken the very people that such policies are attempting to help.  Watering down educational and workplace standards so that more people can make the grade only weakens Canadians and makes us the laughing stock of China and Russia.

Having a token military that can’t defend the country only makes us more dependent on foreign powers and makes it impossible for Canada to have independent foreign and domestic policies.

Overspending on programs that disincentivize work and drive up debt only saddles future generations with debt and creates inter generational dependence on the state, just like the Indian Act for Indigenous.

Paying today’s debts by inflating costs through mass immigration to our major urban centres continues to make home ownership out of reach for young people because of the inability for housing supply to keep up with demand.

The population can’t assimilate immigrants fast enough, causing cultural conflicts and a breakdown in social cohesion.  Cities become overcrowded and long commute times damage quality of life for all.

Increased demand for all goods and services, on top of carbon taxes on fuel, is making transportation, food, and more too expensive.  The cost of living is too high.

Unless and until the CPC and its leaders say these things and offer policies to uphold these views, they cannot call themselves conservatives.  They are the Liberal Party of Canada disguised as opposition.

Edited November 20, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[Army Guy]

On 11/19/2021 at 9:03 PM, dialamah said:

Jeez, I hear plenty of scandal when *any* party has been in power - remember Mulroney & Airbus?  To think it's only Liberals/liberals who support stupid stuff or do questionable things is naïve in the extreme.

Sorry,  but when  you start off by accusing about half of the people of Canada of being immoral, I have no patience for you.   

Yes, scandals are part of politics, on all sides of the political realm. And i think i have been pretty fair in placing blame on each party including the conservatives ... But Justin has taken this to the extremes don't you think, He has blatantly lied to Canadians over and over, misleading Canadians on almost every topic. he holds the record for trips to the ethics commissioner like it was some sort of sports trophy. He has more involved in more than his share of scandals in the last 6 years than most  PM's, he has broken more promises and we have numbers for. He has embarrassed Canada on more than one occasion All of this has been splashed all over the media for weeks at a time , every Canadian knows of them all of them have been called out by other left sided parties... 

Perhaps you can tell us what kind of voter votes for this guy "the Liberal Party" not once but 3 times in a row.... Knowing what he has done or said to every Canadian. Sorry but i can't in good conscious not call them out on it...people in the mafia have better records...  but liberal voters  are either lacking in morals and values, to continue to support Justin and ALL his actions...or not smart enough to see through Justins pieces of work ...   The first time is understandable but 3 times in a row...  someone has to draw the line in the sand... and it is not half of Canadians, but rather 32.6 percent of those registered voters...

  And your right Dialamah you have every right to be pissed off and call me out , i did paint everyone that voted liberal with the same brush. I'll own every bit of what i said, because i believe in it 100 %. 

[Army Guy]

On 11/19/2021 at 9:15 PM, dialamah said:

The truly politically lazy are people who simply accuse the entire other side of all kinds of evil thoughts and deeds.

They are not evil thought dialamah, their truths, not very flattering but they are not evil.

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

On the bright side, it is important to remember that politics isn't really all that important. It is a sport like hockey and football. It provides us with entertainment but in the course of governing, governments will do what needs doing. Some governments perform better than others and sometimes you get a government like BC's Glenn Clark. You would wake up in the morning and open up your newspaper to see what bone-head thing he did that day. You knew he would do something stupid, but the fun was to see the lengths he would go to to find some unique imaginative stupid thing to do. The point is, the party label doesn't matter. He was NDP. Roy Romanow was NDP and the complete opposite on the competence scale. The governments of BC and Saskatchewan continued to perform regardless of who was Premier.

 

100 % agree for the most part very entertaining , as long as it does not personal effect you, then we take an personal interest , and every thing after that counts for something...Justins actions todate have not been calculated just yet, but wait until we see on tax returns what all of this is going to cost...

[Queenmandy85]

I remember the sage words of John Crosby, "If we told you what we were going to do, you wouldn't have voted for us."

I remember Stephen Harper's bold faced lies regarding income trusts and the exemption for Saskatchewan on equalization.

I remember Pierre Trudeau in the 1980 election promising to twin the Trans Canada highway...yah right.

I remember Joe Clark, not only promising to pay down the Liberal deficit with a tax on gasoline, and move the Canadian Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, and then when in power, actually enacting his promises. His government was defeated because he tried to keep his promises. Food for thought for aspiring Prime Ministers.

[WestCanMan]

The CPC is in trouble because the alt-left media lies, omits, covers and smears at will and the sheeple are willing accomplices.

As long as liberals here allow the lying to continue "becuz thayre on my side" the socialists will keep accumulating control until elections are just for show.

 

[Boges]

On 11/19/2021 at 10:24 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Great point, but it is who ever gets the most seats wins. 
I know, I am picky but Mr O’Toole’s party got the most votes. ?

In our Democracy the winner is which party can win the most regional elections. 

Getting more seats is more indicative of broad support than getting the most votes. 

 

[Queenmandy85]

On 11/21/2021 at 11:16 AM, WestCanMan said:

The CPC is in trouble because the alt-left media lies, omits, covers and smears at will and the sheeple are willing accomplices.

As long as liberals here allow the lying to continue "becuz thayre on my side" the socialists will keep accumulating control until elections are just for show.

 

Everybody lies. Politicians are a reflection of the voters. Even honest people lie sometimes. Harper was a liar. Trudeau was a liar. We all lie. ?

Garek: Why, Doctor, it was all true.

Doctor Bashier: Even the lies?

Garek: Especially the lies.

 

[myata]

16 minutes ago, Boges said:

Getting more seats is more indicative of broad support than getting the most votes. 

There's a huge downside to that though: it immediately sets the question and the discussion in the perspective of "which party" instead of "what issues and how to address them". Simple practical logic then dictates a clarification "which of exactly two parties" and creates a duopoly that is strengthened and perpetuated in countless election cycles. And that is not the most effective and can be obviously counter productive because the goal and even the raison d'etre of the duopoly shifts from addressing the issues and solving the problems of the society to maintaining the grip on power. No, not one and the same thing as we can attest to over and over. And now, there's no mechanisms to change anything. Just when more intelligent solutions are needed to more challenging and complex problems.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Everybody lies. Politicians are a reflection of the voters. Even honest people lie sometimes. Harper was a liar. Trudeau was a liar. We all lie. ?

That's a brutal oversimplification of a serious topic.

Eg,Ted Bundy and Clifford Olson lied. Alex Trebec lied. See the difference? 

For you to equate Trudeau's lies and MSM lies with Harper's 'lies' is a complete farce: Trudeau is known to have used the PMO to enrich his family and foreign friends. There's nothing comparable that you can honestly say about Harper, and he was PM for a lot longer than the traitor. 

The MSM completely distorts everything that they talk about with malicious intent, but their actual and extremely important job is to tell the truth so that the government can be held accountable to the voters (or at least they pretend that's the case, and since they're liars...). 

It's pathetic that you'd accuse me of lying like the leftists here. I'd love for you to track down something that I said here that didn't age well. 

[Queenmandy85]

I apologize. I will submit there are a few people who may not have ever lied. However, Prime Minister Harper lied about giving Saskatchewan an exemption on equalization and he lied about taxing income trusts. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau lied about twinning the Trans Canada Highway. I can't tell you how many people I've pulled over who have lied about their consumption of beverage alcohol. President Trump's lies have been well documented. President Clinton's lies have been well documented. Almost everybody lies. As His excellency, the Right Honourable John Crosby said, while he was one of Prime Minister Mulroney's cabinet ministers, "If we told you what we were going to do, you wouldn't have voted for us."

 

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Queenmandy85

[Nefarious Banana]

Are you a cop?

[Queenmandy85]

Retired Peace Officer. 

[Army Guy]

On 11/22/2021 at 5:32 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

I apologize. I will submit there are a few people who may not have ever lied. However, Prime Minister Harper lied about giving Saskatchewan an exemption on equalization and he lied about taxing income trusts. Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau lied about twinning the Trans Canada Highway. I can't tell you how many people I've pulled over who have lied about their consumption of beverage alcohol. President Trump's lies have been well documented. President Clinton's lies have been well documented. Almost everybody lies. As His excellency, the Right Honourable John Crosby said, while he was one of Prime Minister Mulroney's cabinet ministers, "If we told you what we were going to do, you wouldn't have voted for us."

 

 

And i get that Queen, every body lies and today thats how we see the game being played... but i see that as our fault for not holding them to account, and I'm not talking about getting a verbal going over, i talking about being held accountable by the voters or the law, or by parliament..

while in the military i was subject to the Queens law for little things like rolling your eyes, silent insubordination, or not having your uniform to standard. another 200 bucks or confined to barracks for 2 weeks . as well as all the rest of the laws we have in this nation.  why could this not be down with parliament, people behave much better when there is money involved...