B.C. NDP Announce Plans to Cut 4,500 jobs and Stop Logging Across 26,000 Square Kilometers

[Nefarious Banana]

Do you have any experience at all concerning the forest industry?

Hoping that the concept of 'renewable resource' is within your grasp of reality.

Also hope that you can grasp the concept that logging pays a good portion  of the other benefits that you as a foreigner can take advantage of.  

Looking at your avatar with its 'Fighting Economic Growth' bi-line . . . . . . . any conversation with you and your mindset is a pointless waste of time.  Done with you and your ilk.  

[cougar]

3 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Do you have any experience at all concerning the forest industry?

 

MOD said "Please avoid trolling and personal attacks. Do not post if you have nothing to add to the discussion."

If you can't answer my only question, don't bother asking anything else or making further baseless and abusive statements and assumptions.

The forests you logged to "make money" are renewable in 500 years!  In that time you (and your ilk) would have caused wide spread devastation through the climate change you've caused.

Edited November 10, 2021 by cougar

[Faramir]

On 11/3/2021 at 8:24 AM, blackbird said:

I doubt you understand anything about the sustainability of the BC Forest Industry.  It is already sustainable and has been for decades.  It has been managed by the BC Ministry of Forests with complex and involved regulation and licencing.  Replanting of logged areas has been a part of the sustainability for decades.  Clear-cutting is the only way forests can be logged.  It is not practicable to leave a tree standing here or there.  They would most likely die and rot away anyway if left like that. The equipment required for logging and the nature of logging requires it to be done on a clear-cut basis.  It is difficult to move the large logging equipment around if a tree is left standing in the way here and there.  It would not be economical to try to do it that way and likely trees left standing would be damaged or die because of the need to disturb the surrounding area with machinery and dragging out trees across the surface.  It is better to replant a logged off area.  They also leave untouched green forested areas along the sides of rivers and creeks.  But even with clear-cutting being done, there are still vast areas of untouched forests everywhere.  There are also many parks and preserved areas already in B.C.  The forest industry does not cause climate change or harm the ecosystem.  Logging is well-regulated already in B.C.

  The main problem is the Mother Earth worshipers and their NDP servants who have a hate for mankind and want to shut down Canada's key industries such as the oil and gas industry and here now, the forest industry.  They simply don't care for people and families and prefer to preserve the whales and forests in a pristine untouched state.  People need good-paying jobs to be able to buy a home which are very expensive these days and support their families.  Environmentalists could care less about that.   Much of this environmental radicalism is supported by big money from U.S. millionaires and billionaires, who often think of Canada as their hunting, fishing, wilderness vacation spot.  I know for a fact some of these wealthy and influential people fly into remote areas of B.C. to hunt and fish and of course they don't like the idea of clear-cuts or logging.  If you fly over B.C. you will actually see mostly untouched mountains and forests.

The Mother Earthers are religious fanatics.  Global warming is the biggest scam since the events that lead to the DDY ban.

[Faramir]

On 11/3/2021 at 10:22 AM, dialamah said:

The main problem is the God worshippers who think they owe nothing to the earth cause GOD.  

As for the rest, planting on clear cuts is not the same as logging in such a manner as to leave trees standing, which can be done, and it's the way nature managed forests for millenia. 

BC's Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development has a duty to "Stewardship of the Land", which includes ensuring Crown land is managed in such a way that it will benefit citizens now and in the future.  Just because you don't believe in climate change has nothing to do with facts.

Has absolutely nothing to do with whether one worships God or not.  Global warmers are their own religion. 

[Faramir]

On 11/7/2021 at 8:22 PM, cougar said:

What a joke you are!

No you are the joke.  The USA now has MORE forested areas than it had in 1900.  Forests are NOT disappearing, except in places with their own set of problems such as Brazil.

[cougar]

4 hours ago, Faramir said:

Global warming is the biggest scam ....

You may say the carbon tax is a scam, but human caused climate change is unfortunately real.

I would suggest, if you do not have proof it is a scam, don't post anything any further.  Those who tell you climate change is around and we are the ones causing it have done extensive studies around the globe and have it all based on data - not one scientist but many.

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by cougar

[Faramir]

2 minutes ago, cougar said:

You may say the carbon tax is a scam, but human caused climate change is unfortunately real.

I would suggest, if you do not have proof it is a scam, don't post anything any further.  Those who tell you climate change is around and we are the ones causing it have done extensive studies around the globe and have it all based on data - not one scientist but many.

 

Uh huh.  But scientists don't make the policy.  Policy makers do.  And in fact it has not been shown global warming is net negative to the globe.  It is not my onus to prove a negative.  Policy makers have failed to prove their case.

[cougar]

1 minute ago, Faramir said:

Uh huh.  But scientists don't make the policy.  Policy makers do. 

Uh huh ?

Does it really matter who makes the policy?   It is either the "greatest scam" as you say or it is not.

And apparently now you are backing out, admitting it may not be a scam.

[Yzermandius19]

it's a scam

because the climate doom cult wants to destroy the economy

not help the environment

anything that helps the environment and economy is not acceptable to them

this shows where their priorities lie

lowering your standard of living via central planning is their true goal

if you don't give in to that demand

then the world will end and they'll blame you for it

they think you sacrificing your own well being is the only way to appease the climate gods

only sacrificing to the gods will suffice

nothing short of that will ever be good enough

it's a religious cult and a pagan one at that

Edited November 11, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[cougar]

18 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1.   it's a scam

2.  because the climate doom cult wants to destroy the economy

not help the environment

3. anything that helps the environment and economy is not acceptable to them

this shows where their priorities lie

lowering your standard of living via central planning is their true goal

if you don't give in to that demand

then the world will end and they'll blame you for it

4. they think you sacrificing your own well being is the only way to appease the climate gods

only sacrificing to the gods will suffice

nothing short of that will ever be good enough

it's a religious cult and a pagan one at that

1. The fact you call it a scam or blackbird or anyone else, does not make it a scam.  You need to have evidence human caused climate change does not exist.  The evidence is with science , not you !  So, as I said many times; stop beating a dead horse, it will not jump for you!

2. Why would "they" want to destroy the economy?  If this works against them too, I see no sound reason behind that.  

3. There isn't one thing that helps both the environment and the economy.  Why? Because the economy is based on destroying the environment.  But we can somewhat mitigate the damage in the short run by converting more harmful to less harmful jobs and hi-emission to low emission industries or vehicles.

4. Yes, some people need to sacrifice and be limited in what they can do because they are not reasonable.  Some need to be managed like cattle because in their mental evolution they are not a step above a cow level.  When you look along the highways and into people's yards, you can clearly see where they stand.  And many of those with clean yards are not very far up the evolution chain.

Again, no need to beat a dead horse.  You can't win an argument when evidence is clearly against you.  But you can continue adding pointless posts and causing aggravation, of course.  This is why we post here, to pick on one another and make one another feel crappy and miserable.

Edited November 11, 2021 by cougar

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

1. The fact you call it a scam or blackbird or anyone else, does not make it a scam.  You need to have evidence human caused climate change does not exist.  The evidence is with science , not you !  So, as I said many times; stop beating a dead horse, it will not jump for you!

2. Why would "they" want to destroy the economy?  If this works against them too, I see no sound reason behind that.  

3. There isn't one thing that helps both the environment and the economy.  Why? Because the economy is based on destroying the environment.  But we can somewhat mitigate the damage in the short run by converting more harmful to less harmful jobs and hi-emission to low emission industries or vehicles.

4. Yes, some people need to sacrifice and be limited in what they can do because they are not reasonable.  Some need to be managed like cattle because in their mental evolution they are not a step above a cow level.  When you look along the highways and into people's yards, you can clearly see where they stand.  And many of those with clean yards are not very far up the evolution chain.

Again, no need to beat a dead horse.  You can't win an argument when evidence is clearly against you.  But you can continue adding pointless posts and causing aggravation, of course.  This is why we post here, to pick on one another and make one another feel crappy and miserable.

There is plenty of evidence to prove human activity has an effect on climate and we have change it in some ways. Science does not back up this entire idea that we are going to burn up and turn to dust in the next 48 hours, infact there are scientist that refute this whole global crises. A lot of the science that is being used is being twisted to lead us to that very conclusion that this is a huge crises, take the the old 99 % of scientist have said climate change is really and we need to act now, but that was not the question posed to these scientists the question was, has man influence the change in climate, the answer is yes. 99 % agree . But to what degree is this a climate crises and you'll get many different answers, also now where did it specify that all these scientist were climatologist or atleast studied it..it simply states scientist, which encompasses a large and varied back grounds or fields, with very little of them having to do with the climate...

There is trillions to be made off green tech, and manufacturing....the problem now is everyone has been wiped up into a frenzy that they are convinced oil is to blame oil is bad we need to stop it right now.. but they have nothing to transition to, solar and wind are not going to power up Toronto or all of these new electrical cars.. we are still at the beginning to transition to electrical vehs but what of planes and boats, how many of those do you see at a major airport...or port. Justins goal is no more fossil fuel vehs by 2030 to be sold...that is just around the corner and we still have not figured out how to make a charge last more than 500 KM...pretty important if your driving across the country, 

right now how many jobs has electrical vehs here in Canada created, and how many do you think fossil fuel jobs will be lost, this is simple math, a little will be gained and a massive amount will be lost...

People will continue to drive their fossil fuel vehs as long as they can affords to do it...until there is something that is as reliable on the market. and that has not happened yet, or in the near future...I'm afraid the combustion engine is hear to stay alot longer than Justin or Greta predicts...

[blackbird]

"Wow. In just a couple of days, over 2,000 British Columbians signed the petition in support of standing up for BC Forestry jobs. Sign yourself and share at: https://www.ellisrosscampaign.ca/forestry

The NDP are jeopardizing 18,000 jobs which put food on the table for BC forestry families. This is wrong! It's time to stop playing politics and stand up for BC Forestry."

[cougar]

24 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"Wow. In just a couple of days, over 2,000 British Columbians signed the petition in support of standing up for BC Forestry jobs.

 

This is the alternative petition to ground those 18,000 industrious vermin who cut the lungs out of our planet Signed by almost 200,000

https://act.stand.earth/page/22441/petition/1?gclid=CjwKCAiAm7OMBhAQEiwArvGi3KdxhJob1VtZEZ09J3jTo6hGyf7Nh6YgUt8hD89B27D1gbpRaSMdlxoCYVoQAvD_BwE

Edited November 12, 2021 by cougar

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, cougar said:

This is the alternative petition to ground those 18,000 industrious vermin who cut the lungs out of our planet Signed by almost 200,000

https://act.stand.earth/page/22441/petition/1?gclid=CjwKCAiAm7OMBhAQEiwArvGi3KdxhJob1VtZEZ09J3jTo6hGyf7Nh6YgUt8hD89B27D1gbpRaSMdlxoCYVoQAvD_BwE

People who sign that petition obviously don't have a job in the forest industry or spin-off industries.  Most are probably armchair environmentalists who have no clue how Canada's main industries are the natural resource industries.  Many might be living off the spin-off industries of natural resources and living in homes made out of lumber that the forest industry provides.  

PS  Calling fellow Canadians vermin for working in the natural resource forest industry is pretty low.  Where did you come from?

Edited November 12, 2021 by blackbird

[cougar]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

People who sign that petition obviously don't have a job in the forest industry or spin-off industries. 

 

You leave it exactly up to those who have a job in the industry to decide when to stop logging !!!  Really???

Like the cod fishery on the East coast and every other resource based industry.  Leave it up to the oilmen to decide which pipeline is safe and where to put it.

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by cougar

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, cougar said:

You leave it exactly up to those who have a job in the industry to decide when to stop logging !!!  Really???

Like the cod fishery on the East coast and every other resource based industry.  Leave it up to the oilmen to decide which pipeline is safe and where to put it.

 

It's a good thing, for the most part, Canada doesn't leave it to environmentalist radicals on welfare, armchair critics sitting in their mom's basement or the child protestors like Greta Thunberg and the brainwashed school kids protesting on the streets to decide what industries we have in Canada.  

Your description of yourself as "fighting economic growth" shows you need counseling.  Where did you go to school or where did you come from?  No, you won't say.  It might explain a lot.

Edited November 12, 2021 by blackbird

[cougar]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your description of yourself as "fighting economic growth" shows you need counseling. 

I have no similar recommendations fro you.  I am convinced there isn't anyone who can help you.

For you every concerned citizen who wants to protect the air over his or her head or the forest around their town, or the river flowing through it is a "environmentalist radical on welfare".    Really?   

Edited November 12, 2021 by cougar

[Yzermandius19]

6 hours ago, cougar said:

1. The fact you call it a scam or blackbird or anyone else, does not make it a scam.  You need to have evidence human caused climate change does not exist.  The evidence is with science , not you !  So, as I said many times; stop beating a dead horse, it will not jump for you!

2. Why would "they" want to destroy the economy?  If this works against them too, I see no sound reason behind that.  

3. There isn't one thing that helps both the environment and the economy.  Why? Because the economy is based on destroying the environment.  But we can somewhat mitigate the damage in the short run by converting more harmful to less harmful jobs and hi-emission to low emission industries or vehicles.

4. Yes, some people need to sacrifice and be limited in what they can do because they are not reasonable.  Some need to be managed like cattle because in their mental evolution they are not a step above a cow level.  When you look along the highways and into people's yards, you can clearly see where they stand.  And many of those with clean yards are not very far up the evolution chain.

3) is why they want to destroy 2)

you answered your own question and proved my point

you are an anti-human watermelon

green on the outside and red on the inside

fake environmentalist

only solutions to help the environment you accept are communism

must crush capitalism or not good enough

the green is a mere facade to hide that you're red

a religious zealot who only cares about controlling others behavior

anyone who doesn't agree with you is to be treated like cattle 

the environment is simply your rubric to impose your brand of totalitarianism

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[cougar]

13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

anyone who doesn't agree with you is to be treated like cattle 

the environment is simply your rubric to impose your brand of totalitarianism

 

Twisting what I say does not help a discussion!

What I said is that people who soil their properties and houses and live like cattle there cannot be expected to do any different on Crown Land or any other land.  They cannot be expected to be alert of what their actions cause on the environment.  And yes, I will repeat, such people need to be treated like cattle.  This is why we have a punitive system and regulations to weed out this type of irresponsible behavior but it is not working.

And who the heck is this Peterson guy, and why do I care about what he says,more than I care about what the reason in my head tells me?

"who dies? well who dies first?..."   - what a confused individual he is - lets put the rich against the poor to fight with one another rather than to pull together to save what is left of our planet.   Apparently this is his agenda.  A sallow person, looking for attention and recognition.

Edited November 12, 2021 by cougar

[Yzermandius19]

5 hours ago, cougar said:

 

"who dies? well who dies first?..."   - what a confused individual he is - lets put the rich against the poor to fight with one another rather than to pull together to save what is left of our planet.   Apparently this is his agenda.  A sallow person, looking for attention and recognition.

that is the opposite of what he wants

you want to pit people against each other

you want people to be sacrificed

you want the standard of living to be lowered by destroying the economy

JP takes issue with that

he is a real environmentalist

you're a fake

silly watermelon

Edited November 12, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[cougar]

6 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

generated a pile of BS and insults

Why would I ever bother to continue to respond to you or the likes of you? 

None of you can defend a point with arguments, so you twist what is being said, throw in some of the carp you have been brainwashed to believe, like it is the world's gospel and then pepper everything with personal insults.

Feel free to continue to post bullshit; I am not responding to it no more.

I was busy today removing two truck tires from a river by pushing them up and down the banks and eventually dragging them tied to a rope for at least 500 meters through the bush.  Quite the exercise given I had a load of my own on my shoulders in addition to the tires.  Gotta clean after those cattle.  Bye, bye.

Edited November 13, 2021 by cougar

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Please keep your personal attacks out of the discussion. 

[RedDog]

On 11/9/2021 at 5:50 PM, cougar said:

I may or may not agree, but what does this have to do with the forestry?

I have to expect at this point there is an outside power behind TrootOWE. I suspect China. Every breath the numbskull takes hurts Canada. His finances should be audited. His mandate is clear.

[Army Guy]

 

On 11/11/2021 at 9:26 PM, cougar said:

You leave it exactly up to those who have a job in the industry to decide when to stop logging !!!  Really???

Like the cod fishery on the East coast and every other resource based industry.  Leave it up to the oilmen to decide which pipeline is safe and where to put it.

 

The cod fishery on the east coast was federally regulated and controlled, same as Atlantic salmon and all the other species some office jockey in Ottawa makes all the rules and regulation... Had the control been given to the fishermen there would still be a fisheries.

Same for logging , and oil and gas... 

[eyeball]

On 11/5/2021 at 5:21 AM, EastCanada90 said:

first of all i said cut quotas if needed not wipe them out completely lol. my job is safe even if  there cut lol.

I'm almost afraid to ask but do you work in fisheries or in a fishery? I don't think I've ever heard the phrase part time when it came to a DFO employee, notwithstanding a Minister of Fisheries, which have always been a dime a dozen.