B.C. NDP Announce Plans to Cut 4,500 jobs and Stop Logging Across 26,000 Square Kilometers

[blackbird]

B.C. announces plans to defer old-growth logging across 26,000 square kilometres

The NDP Socialists prove once again they are environmental extremists and put ideology ahead of the livelihood of thousands of workers and their families in B.C.

"Susan Yurkovich, president of the B.C. Council of Forest Industries, said in a statement the plan would have a "profound and devastating impact" on the industry, which provided more than $4 billion in revenues to the province over the last year. 

The council's initial analysis suggested the deferrals would result in the closure of between 14 and 20 sawmills, two pulp mills as well as manufacturing facilities, representing about 18,000 jobs and $400 million in annual revenue, Yurkovich said." 

The forest industry is the main industry in B.C. This will have a devastating effect on a number of towns in B.C.  It will also have a negative effect on thousands of families who are trying to build a life, own a home, buy a home, or raise families in B.C.

B.C. announces plans to defer old-growth logging across 26,000 square kilometres (msn.com)

Nov3 6:50PM news report justifying this edit with additional information.

The Global BCTV news just reported that the committee that come up with this recommendation to the NDP Minister of Forests in Victoria had five environmentalists on it.  This demonstrates the incompetence of the NDP government and appears it will cost B.C. the loss of about 18,000 jobs and $400 million in revenue for the BC government and huge hit to many communities around B.C.

Edited November 4, 2021 by blackbird
important additional information reported on Global TV

[dialamah]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

B.C. announces plans to defer old-growth logging across 26,000 square kilometres

The NDP Socialists prove once again they are environmental extremists and put ideology ahead of the livelihood of thousands of workers and their families in B.C.

"Susan Yurkovich, president of the B.C. Council of Forest Industries, said in a statement the plan would have a "profound and devastating impact" on the industry, which provided more than $4 billion in revenues to the province over the last year. 

The council's initial analysis suggested the deferrals would result in the closure of between 14 and 20 sawmills, two pulp mills as well as manufacturing facilities, representing about 18,000 jobs and $400 million in annual revenue, Yurkovich said." 

The forest industry is the main industry in B.C. This will have a devastating effect on a number of towns in B.C.  It will also have a negative effect on thousands of families who are trying to build a life, own a home, buy a home, or raise families in B.C.

B.C. announces plans to defer old-growth logging across 26,000 square kilometres (msn.com)

There's a lot more to the story.  For starters, consultation with First Nations has to happen; at least one First Nation says it will not agree to the deferral for at least two years, as they want to do their own assessments.  Also, consultation can take some time - so this is not immediate, and perhaps not even a certainty, given potential road blocks.  While the BC Council of Forest Industries is claiming 18,000 jobs loss, the Government estimates around 4,500 jobs, if the deferrals were made permanent.  Likely the truth would be somewhere in between those two numbers.

The ultimate goal is to transform the forest industry into a more sustainable model, so that harvesting trees does not result in huge swaths of clear-cut areas, but more resembles natural events.  This can preserve ecosystems and help mitigate the effect of climate change.   I realize you don't care about climate change, but many people do.  

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-british-columbia-proposes-unprecedented-deferrals-of-old-growth/

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

The ultimate goal is to transform the forest industry into a more sustainable model, so that harvesting trees does not result in huge swaths of clear-cut areas, but more resembles natural events.  This can preserve ecosystems and help mitigate the effect of climate change.   I realize you don't care about climate change, but many people do.  

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-british-columbia-proposes-unprecedented-deferrals-of-old-growth/

 

I doubt you understand anything about the sustainability of the BC Forest Industry.  It is already sustainable and has been for decades.  It has been managed by the BC Ministry of Forests with complex and involved regulation and licencing.  Replanting of logged areas has been a part of the sustainability for decades.  Clear-cutting is the only way forests can be logged.  It is not practicable to leave a tree standing here or there.  They would most likely die and rot away anyway if left like that. The equipment required for logging and the nature of logging requires it to be done on a clear-cut basis.  It is difficult to move the large logging equipment around if a tree is left standing in the way here and there.  It would not be economical to try to do it that way and likely trees left standing would be damaged or die because of the need to disturb the surrounding area with machinery and dragging out trees across the surface.  It is better to replant a logged off area.  They also leave untouched green forested areas along the sides of rivers and creeks.  But even with clear-cutting being done, there are still vast areas of untouched forests everywhere.  There are also many parks and preserved areas already in B.C.  The forest industry does not cause climate change or harm the ecosystem.  Logging is well-regulated already in B.C.

  The main problem is the Mother Earth worshipers and their NDP servants who have a hate for mankind and want to shut down Canada's key industries such as the oil and gas industry and here now, the forest industry.  They simply don't care for people and families and prefer to preserve the whales and forests in a pristine untouched state.  People need good-paying jobs to be able to buy a home which are very expensive these days and support their families.  Environmentalists could care less about that.   Much of this environmental radicalism is supported by big money from U.S. millionaires and billionaires, who often think of Canada as their hunting, fishing, wilderness vacation spot.  I know for a fact some of these wealthy and influential people fly into remote areas of B.C. to hunt and fish and of course they don't like the idea of clear-cuts or logging.  If you fly over B.C. you will actually see mostly untouched mountains and forests.

Edited November 3, 2021 by blackbird

[EastCanada90]

don't blame them we need to save some forests.. they can find other jobs.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The main problem is the Mother Earth worshipers

The main problem is the God worshippers who think they owe nothing to the earth cause GOD.  

As for the rest, planting on clear cuts is not the same as logging in such a manner as to leave trees standing, which can be done, and it's the way nature managed forests for millenia. 

BC's Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development has a duty to "Stewardship of the Land", which includes ensuring Crown land is managed in such a way that it will benefit citizens now and in the future.  Just because you don't believe in climate change has nothing to do with facts.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

The main problem is the God worshippers who think they owe nothing to the earth cause GOD.  

As for the rest, planting on clear cuts is not the same as logging in such a manner as to leave trees standing, which can be done, and it's the way nature managed forests for millenia. 

BC's Ministry of Forests, Lands, Natural Resource Operations and Rural Development has a duty to "Stewardship of the Land", which includes ensuring Crown land is managed in such a way that it will benefit citizens now and in the future.  Just because you don't believe in climate change has nothing to do with facts.

The claim that the Forestry Industry is not being done in a sustainable way is a blatant lie.  The only opposition to the Forest Industry comes from radical environmentalists and their armchair quarterbacks, some of whom are foreign based and people who automatically assume it is not sustainable without having a shred of evidence or facts.  Some of the forest industry opponents heard there are "old growth" trees in the forest somewhere but they have no idea of what trees they are talking about or where they are.  But they assume that old growth trees are being cut down everywhere which is a blatant lie.  There are many preserved areas.  But why would somebody who lives far away from B.C. and who knows nothing about it even comment other than to stir the pot and cause division and hostility? 

"The deep ecologists are pantheistic fanatics with New Age, Hindu, or Buddhist overtones. Such organizations as “Greenpeace” and “Earth First” represent this group. Members of this movement favor radical confrontation, which leads them to be far less pragmatic than the Greens. The pantheism of the deep ecologists teaches “that all organisms and entities in the ecosphere… are equal in intrinsic worth.”2 As one proponent says, “Unless the need were urgent, I could no more sink the blade of an ax into the tissues of a living tree than I could drive it into the flesh of a fellow human.”3 Ac-cording to David Foreman, “A human life has no more intrinsic value than an individual grizzly bear life. If it came down to a confrontation between a grizzly and a friend, I’m not sure whose side I would be on. But I do know humans are a disease, a cancer on nature.”4"  

Radical Environmentalism | Christian Research Institute (equip.org)

We see this kind of pantheistic attitude even with our leading politicians like Trudeau and his new Minister of the Environment,  Steven Guilbeault.  Here is a guy who was in fact the Director of Greenpeace for the province of Quebec for ten years and now his job will be to lead the charge against Canada's oil and gas industry.  When he was in the radical environmentalist Greenpeace, he actually committed a serious act of civil disobedience in climbing the CN Tower in Ontario about 1,000 feet to make his radical point against the energy industry.

This is no different than the extremist tree huggers at Ferry Creek who have been blockading a logging company from logging in the area and over 1,000 of them have been arrested so far.  They obviously consider saving trees (which are a renewable resource) worth breaking the law even if it costs B.C. thousands of jobs.  As it says above "a human life has no more intrinsic value than an individual grizzly bear'    or  a tree???  That is Pantheism, the worship of Mother Nature or Mother Earth and the demotion of man to just another creature or animal.

Here is a link to another article on a related topic. 

Radical Environmentalism is Rooted in Hatred of Biblical Christianity | Worldview Weekend Broadcast Network

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by blackbird

[myata]

So here's the reality check: the list of old growth forest areas in Canada. Can you count the rows? It's three in BC, of which one is the size of 12.5 kilometer square; 6 in Ontario, the largest is a 40 km square and one (one) in Quebec. How's that for two centuries of sustainable management?

No holy scripture will save you from a scorch with the fire that you started yourself. It's nothing to do with faith and everything, with selfishness, greed and blind stupidity, like shooting oneself in the foot and blaming gods for guiding your hand. Not like there's any need to test it, it happened so many times already.

[ironstone]

5 hours ago, EastCanada90 said:

don't blame them we need to save some forests.. they can find other jobs.

And the fisheries?

[blackbird]

It was just reported on Global BCTV news that the committee that recommended to the Forestry Minister to shut down logging in various areas around B.C. amounting to 26,000 square kilometers of forests and causing thousands of job losses was loaded with five environmentalists.  In effect this allows environmentalists to decide the future of B.C.'s forest industry, the main industry which employs tens of thousands of citizens in forestry and spin-off industries.  The NDP government in Victoria have put the foxes in charge of the chicken house.

[Yzermandius19]

the forests aren't saved by killing logging

in fact strategic logging helps protect forests from forest fires

this will result in more tree loss, not less

thanks fake environmentalists

undermining the environment they claim to champion 

Edited November 4, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[EastCanada90]

16 hours ago, ironstone said:

And the fisheries?

 

i work in fisheries industry  but yea nothing wrong with lowering quotas in fisheries either if the numbers are dropping.. 

[blackbird]

18 hours ago, myata said:

So here's the reality check: the list of old growth forest areas in Canada. Can you count the rows? It's three in BC, of which one is the size of 12.5 kilometer square; 6 in Ontario, the largest is a 40 km square and one (one) in Quebec. How's that for two centuries of sustainable management?

No holy scripture will save you from a scorch with the fire that you started yourself. It's nothing to do with faith and everything, with selfishness, greed and blind stupidity, like shooting oneself in the foot and blaming gods for guiding your hand. Not like there's any need to test it, it happened so many times already.

That is not factual and not how old growth forests are located.  Old growth are mixed in with younger forests over much of B.C.  They do not just exist in a tiny area.  There are of course some areas where older trees have been around longer because of the climate and because of fewer forest fires in those areas.  The coastal area and northwest B.C. area has far less or no forest fires compared with the southern - central interior of B.C.  But the largest trees grow in the coastal areas and are therefore more useful and valuable for logging and lumber production.  Some areas on Vancouver Island for example already have parks including the very large Strathcona Provincial Park which covers well over a thousand square kilometers in the central part of Vancouver Island.  Also, how do you define "old growth".  Does a tree that is more than 100, 200, 300 yeas old have to be preserved everywhere?  Because these trees are mixed with younger forests, B.C. cannot realistically preserve every older tree in the province.  Most people do not travel to the remote wilderness or forests because there is no way to get there for most of us.  Therefore it serves no purpose to preserve all forests out in the wilderness when they are a natural resource that creates thousands of jobs, lumber for millions of homes across America, Canada and other countries.

But there are large areas of wilderness already preserved in many parks across the province.

"

Protected lands and waters cover 15.4% of B.C.'s land base and 3.2% of B.C.'s marine areas. In the terrestrial realm, 15.0% is in provincial and federal parks and protected areas, while the remaining 0.4% is in other provincial and federal designations such as Wildlife Management Areas and National Wildlife Areas, and private conservation lands.

The amount of recognized protected land in B.C. has more than doubled since the early 1990s.

The amount of protected land and water varies across British Columbia. For example, protected areas cover over 40% of the Gwaii Haanas, Chilcotin Ranges and Eastern Hazelton Mountains regions but less than 10% of the Fraser Basin, Fraser Plateau and Thompson-Okanagan Plateau regions.

Ecosystem representation varies within the protected areas system. For example, 30% of B.C.'s Boreal Altai Fescue Alpine habitats and 5% of Coastal Douglas-fir habitats are protected."

Protected Lands & Waters - Environmental Reporting BC (gov.bc.ca)

Actually there is an old growth area about 20 km from town which is preserved as a park.  If I get a chance I will take a trip out there and get some photos and post them on here.  We have many places people can visit and see the older forests now without killing thousands of forest industry jobs in the Province.

Part of Strathcona Provincial Park on Vancouver Island

 

Edited November 4, 2021 by blackbird

[myata]

31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Right, that's what you'll leave your children, a pretty picture. Something "protected" now does not mean that it isn't logged or has not been logged three, 4, 5 and so on decades ago, and an old forest is an complete ecosystem that has not been disturbed for up to 200 years.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Right, that's what you'll leave your children, a pretty picture. Something "protected" now does not mean that it isn't logged or has not been logged three, 4, 5 and so on decades ago, and an old forest is an complete ecosystem that has not been disturbed for up to 200 years.

quote

Protection

In eight years, BC has doubled its protected areas to 13.8 percent of the province – one of the highest percentages in North America.

BC’s protected areas are larger than all of the forest area ever logged in the forest. BC’s protected areas total 11.7 million hectares (29 million acres). A total of about 9.4 million hectares (23.2 million acres) of the province’s forested area has been logged over time (5.6 million hectares or 13.8 million acres are forests).

BC’s protected areas size comparisons:

Same size as the Cuba

The same size as either the United Kingdom or Romania

Three times the size of Switzerland

Same size as Louisiana or Pennsylvania

Larger than the size of Kansas

2/3 the size of Washington State"

Only a small fraction of B.C. is logged.  Most is wilderness.  Logging provides terrific homes for millions of people.  It provides a livelihood for hundreds of thousands of B.C. citizens.  We should not listen to the environmental radical's fear-mongering.  We need common sense and jobs.

Canadian made Handcrafted Log Home and Log Cabin | Canada's Log People (canadaslogpeople.com)

" Canada’s Log People harvests timber from designated forestry areas in British Columbia, which are then replanted with five saplings for every harvested tree. We put back what nature gave us."

These log homes are really something special that not everyone can afford.  But they create fantastic homes and wonderful careers for those who build them.

Of course not everyone in the forest industry builds log homes.  Most work in other jobs in the forest industry.  Many are employed in logging, sawmills, pulp mills, home construction, retail, etc. and many have good incomes that allow them to buy homes and support their families in B.C.  God has greatly blessed many people in the forest industry.  But the threat we now face is from ideologues who oppose our valuable industries such as oil and gas, forestry, mining, and want to shut things down.  Not sure how they would do if they didn't have the oil products they live on or the homes built with lumber.  Maybe they could find a cave somewhere and show us how it's done.

Edited November 4, 2021 by blackbird

[myata]

Do you understand that "protected 10 years ago" means an old growth forest in two hundred years maybe (if the ecosystem is not exhausted by overexploitation and able to recover, climate change, population growth etc), while you're cutting the tiny piece what's left of the old forests now? Maybe you would like to give me $100 now if I promise you to return it tenfold in a hundred years?

[Shady]

The left is just going to keep banning jobs.  Forestry, gas, oil, etc.  They actually think it’s going to help make Canada better.  They’re insane.

[ironstone]

5 hours ago, EastCanada90 said:

 

i work in fisheries industry  but yea nothing wrong with lowering quotas in fisheries either if the numbers are dropping.. 

Are you ok with just getting another job?  Something year round and not seasonal if that's what it is now?

[EastCanada90]

15 hours ago, ironstone said:

Are you ok with just getting another job?  Something year round and not seasonal if that's what it is now?

first of all i said cut quotas if needed not wipe them out completely lol. my job is safe even if  there cut lol.

[blackbird]

"What you need to know about old growth trees in B.C. — and the threats facing them | CBC News

"The province says there are currently 13.7 million hectares of old growth in British Columbia, and 10 million of those hectares are protected or not economical to harvest. For reference, the entire province is roughly 95 million hectares in size, with approximately 57 million hectares of forested land.

Around 20 million hectares of public forest in B.C. is available for harvesting, according to the province, of which 3.6 million hectares is old growth.

Each year, 200,000 hectares of forested lands in B.C. are logged. The province says 27 per cent of this annual harvest comes from old growth."

A regulated amount of old growth is harvested (27% of the annual harvest) because it is valuable for certain wood products as this article describes.  

[cougar]

On 11/3/2021 at 6:14 AM, blackbird said:

B.C. announces plans to defer old-growth logging across 26,000 square kilometres

The NDP Socialists prove once again they are environmental extremists and put ideology ahead of the livelihood of thousands of workers and their families in B.C.

 

I would suggest, you go and do what you do best - pray to your God.

I will be happy to see those logging jobs lost and hope they will never return again! 

But the damage has been done already!

These are pictures of bears fishing today in a river that has been mostly devastated by the logging industry with small pockets of old growth left here and there.

 

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by cougar

[cougar]

On 11/3/2021 at 8:24 AM, blackbird said:

 It is already sustainable and has been for decades.

 

What a joke you are!

[cougar]

On 11/4/2021 at 12:50 PM, Shady said:

The left is just going to keep banning jobs.  Forestry, gas, oil, etc.  They actually think it’s going to help make Canada better.  They’re insane.

If you believe people should work only in mining, oil and gas and forestry to make a living, then you are the insane one!

[Yzermandius19]

3 hours ago, cougar said:

If you believe people should work only in mining, oil and gas and forestry to make a living, then you are the insane one!

no one said that

you are the one who wants the government to kill jobs

not those you are strawmanning

you support policies that kill more old growth trees than they protect from logging

your agenda is anti-human and counterproductive for the environment

obvious watermelon is obvious

green on the outside, red on the inside

environmentalism is simply the cloak you use to make your communism seem more appealing

Edited November 8, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, cougar said:

What a joke you are!

Yes, I will go and pray to my God, the true God of the Bible, who created you.  Will pray for people like you too.  Mocking God and worship of God is the road to hell, not a pleasant place to spend eternity.  The comrades in hell will be Communists, thieves, murderers, all haters of everything and everybody.  But Jesus Christ saves and there is still time.

[cougar]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Yes, I will go and pray to my God, the true God of the Bible, who created you.  Will pray for people like you too.  Mocking God and worship of God is the road to hell, not a pleasant place to spend eternity.  The comrades in hell will be Communists, thieves, murderers, all haters of everything and everybody.  But Jesus Christ saves and there is still time.

You got this wrong.  Your God created you and the likes of you, not me.

The God that created me is the same one that created the wildlife and the trees and the skies!