Trudeau vows to limit oil and gas development in Canada

[Army Guy]

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Oil and coal are not the only sources of energy.

Can we power the nation right now with any of them, like all sources of transport for more than 500 kms at a time, can we heat our homes with it, and while we are cutting oil and gas production we still have not figured out what the next solution is... I mean we have nuclear but who is on that band wagon....not the anti gas and oil , and certainly not climate change guys....

[Queenmandy85]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Can we power the nation right now with any of them, like all sources of transport for more than 500 kms at a time, can we heat our homes with it, and while we are cutting oil and gas production we still have not figured out what the next solution is... I mean we have nuclear but who is on that band wagon....not the anti gas and oil , and certainly not climate change guys....

They are a minority. 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The effect of carbon dioxide and methane on the re-radiation of energy is proven. You can test it in any undergraduate physics lab. It is predictable and the results confirm the prediction. The results are measurable and will be the same no matter how many times you test it. That is the definition of a scientific fact.

Ah but you can't assume from a physics lab test that the same thing is creating man-made global warming.  The heating of the earth's atmosphere is well known to have happened all through history long before mankind's industrial age began approximately 200 or 250 years ago.  There was the Roman Warming period of several centuries about 2,000 years ago and the Middle Age Warming period which lasted hundreds of years.  During both periods the temperature could have been as warm or warmer than today.  The warming in those two periods was not caused by mankind obviously.  It was purely caused by nature.

The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is about 0.04% of the atmosphere and the amount of water vapour is up to 4% and varies.  Water vapour is a major part of the atmosphere.  Therefore it is reasonable to assume, since water vapour traps heat in the atmosphere, it is a major cause of global warming.  Global warming is a natural part of the atmosphere and is what makes life on earth possible.  So just because CO2 and methane is known in a lab physics experiment to have something to do with heating or releasing energy does not prove that it is a major factor in the earth's atmosphere or that man has anything to do with it.  In other words a small experiment in the lab cannot be used as a basis to claim the atmosphere operates the same way because the atmosphere is a totally different situation.  The global warming of the earth's atmosphere cannot in any way be replicated in a lab experiment.

Those gases are also produced by nature and are necessary to heat the atmosphere which is necessary for life.  All I am saying is that a little lab test proves nothing about atmospheric global warming because the atmosphere and earth is very large and complex.  The radiation from the sun is involved, water vapour is involved, the oceans are involved, radiation from space is involved.  The whole thing is complex and how man fits into the picture is unproven.

Edited November 3, 2021 by blackbird

[myata]

There's no will, responsibility or expertise in the country to address and solve problems of this magnitude. Grossly overpaid bureaucrats can only push papers and spend public billions on themselves. Why after two decades of fixing it for a generation the country has half of critical care beds per capita in Austria and Finland while I wouldn't be surprised if management compensations were among the highest in the developed world?

Relax, nothing will happen. Politicians made their performances and now going back to well earned automatic annual rises. Are you getting one too?

[Shady]

This is the insanity of our policy.

 

[EastCanada90]

oil is down almost 3$ a barrel today i am assuming because of this announcement lol.

[PIK]

Well very few in scotland heard anything Trudeau said. The only American that would talk to Trudeau was Micheal Bloomberg. And 3 other countries that really mean nothing. We are ignored by the world, nobody cares what Canada thinks.

[Argus]

20 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

They are a minority. 

They are in charge and setting government policy.

[ironstone]

More news from COP26:

COP26 serves leaders 'high-carbon' food despite climate fears | The Post Millennial

As the article states, the climate change alarmist's want the rest of us to eat insects.

[EastCanada90]

dunno why everyones worried.. trudeau also said he would lower emission  rates and stop oil subs..  but both have gone up since hes been in power.. so i doubt him saying   this will matter either.. hes a   center conservative  when it comes to oil and gas but because he has a  Liberal next  his name offically   the west hate him lol.

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, EastCanada90 said:

dunno why everyones worried.. trudeau also said he would lower emission  rates and stop oil subs..  but both have gone up since hes been in power.. so i doubt him saying   this will matter either.. hes a   center conservative  when it comes to oil and gas but because he has a  Liberal next  his name offically   the west hate him lol.

And you right , Justin has not really accomplished anything in his 6 years in office, 

I almost threw up in my mouth, "Justin a center conservative" more like he is in solid left or the spectrum, where the NDP used to be... with the NDP living on the loony left side ,even the Conservatives are liberal lites on the left side 

[cannuck]

On 11/2/2021 at 6:46 PM, Army Guy said:

Just a question , how much has Canada made selling or building nuclear reactors of any type todate , did we invent this tech or does it belong to someone else?  ... and how long do they take to build ?, knowing we can not get anything built in this country, climate change or not. i agree shut her all down and give and hand over the country to the climate guys...who ever they are ?, start burning candles and raising horses for transportation ...what are we transitioning to anyway ?  

Man, you really are naiive, aren't you?   Canada sold most of its nuclear industry (AECL) to SNC Lavalin IIRC in 2011.  Now, when the most corrupt company on Planet Earth with deep ties to both sides of the Uniparty owns it, who do you think will benefit from promoting nuclear power?    As with so many other things: follow the money.

BTW: worth noting the country that is leading in new tech reactor development today is China.  Who in his right mind would buy a Candu anything .... unless of course a highly skilled bananna republic bribing company was to steer such a ship.

Oh: and you can picture the money to finance such a fiasco would be provided by or at the very least guaranteed by Canada (as has been the case for most of all Candu sales).

Edited November 7, 2021 by cannuck

[cannuck]

On 11/2/2021 at 7:09 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

It is the balance of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. It inhibits the re-radiation of energy from the sun. Reduce CO2 and /or methane and the planet cools. Increase these greenhouse gases and the planet warms. In the past, the variations occurred slowly. We are creating a situation where the GHG's are increasing faster than the earth can adapt. Rising sea levels are bad enough, but when they begin to drop you have real problems.

 

Only part of the story.   We don't have so much of a CO2 emissions problem as a CO2 absorption one.  The oceans are THE main sink and store of CO2, but since we have poisoned them so horribly and are killing off plankton at a phenomenal rate of 1% per year, they no longer can absorb the level of CO2 required to maintain a balanced carbon cycle.

Most of the anti-CO2 campaign seems to be for the benefit of those who wish to profit from selling cars, etc. that use THE most polluting metal (mining of Lithium) that is insufficient in total know or predicted reserves to put even a small dent in our needs for transportation.

The solution is not what the Euro-weenies and looney libs are proposing - to do MORE of the things that are destroying our sustainability but in different ways but to do LESS, MUCH< MUCH LESS of those things.  Starting with less pollution of oceans.  That, and stop reproducing like rabbits.  This is a nice, little sustainable planet - for a couple billion or so people, not 7 and well on the way to 10.

[cannuck]

On 11/2/2021 at 7:09 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

It is the balance of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. It inhibits the re-radiation of energy from the sun. Reduce CO2 and /or methane and the planet cools. Increase these greenhouse gases and the planet warms. In the past, the variations occurred slowly. We are creating a situation where the GHG's are increasing faster than the earth can adapt. Rising sea levels are bad enough, but when they begin to drop you have real problems.

 

Only part of the story.   We don't have so much of a CO2 emissions problem as a CO2 absorption one.  The oceans are THE main sink and store of CO2, but since we have poisoned them so horribly and are killing off plankton at a phenomenal rate of 1% per year, they no longer can absorb the level of CO2 required to maintain a balanced carbon cycle.

Most of the anti-CO2 campaign seems to be for the benefit of those who wish to profit from selling cars, etc. that use THE most polluting metal (mining of Lithium) that is insufficient in total know or predicted reserves to put even a small dent in our needs for transportation.   Do you have any idea how much money it will cost and how much profit is to be made by replacing every vehicle on the planet????

The solution is not what the Euro-weenies and looney libs are proposing - to do MORE of the things that are destroying our sustainability but in different ways but to do LESS, MUCH< MUCH LESS of those things.  Starting with less pollution of oceans.  That, and stop reproducing like rabbits.  This is a nice, little sustainable planet - for a couple billion or so people, not 7 and well on the way to 10.

[RedDog]

[Army Guy]

13 hours ago, cannuck said:

Man, you really are naiive, aren't you?   Canada sold most of its nuclear industry (AECL) to SNC Lavalin IIRC in 2011.  Now, when the most corrupt company on Planet Earth with deep ties to both sides of the Uniparty owns it, who do you think will benefit from promoting nuclear power?    As with so many other things: follow the money.

BTW: worth noting the country that is leading in new tech reactor development today is China.  Who in his right mind would buy a Candu anything .... unless of course a highly skilled bananna republic bribing company was to steer such a ship.

Oh: and you can picture the money to finance such a fiasco would be provided by or at the very least guaranteed by Canada (as has been the case for most of all Candu sales).

Yes thats me Mr naive,

i think if you had read queens comments that we may replace the revenue from oil and gas with nuclear energy and building and selling them...you might of understood why i was asking those questions,  Canada oil and gas sectors makes 26 % of our GDP, we could not make even close to that making  and selling reactors, we did not invent this new tech and i'm sure it is going to have a cost to build something we have no rights or licenses to build. the last Nuclear reactor built in the states took 15 years to complete. And according to some climate changers we will be dead by then, or so they say... my original question was what are we going to transition to ?

Edited November 7, 2021 by Army Guy

[suds]

If oil and coal are to be replaced as sources of energy, it will take renewables and all the nuclear and hydroelectric generation necessary to fill the gap.  Population reduction could dramatically decrease the reliance on nuclear.  In order to reduce population we would have to rethink our ponzi scheme mentality that perpetual population growth was essential to maintain present living standards.  Is there any other way of stabilizing or reducing harmful emissions on a world wide basis?  The west exporting its pollution (and manufacturing) to china might look good on paper but solves nothing.

[cannuck]

This whole "carbon is the evil and stopping carbon fuels is the solution" is nothing but a ruse to avoid the REAL problems.  Of course, at the very top of the list is population (over-population to be more precise).  Problem is, developed nations do NOT contribute to that, so the UN gives a nod to developing nations to continue to doom the planet by reproducing like rabbits.   Number 2 is globalization: we have displaced so much of our economy to third world and second world where environmental controls are non-existent and then stick the whole mess (that will need to be replaced ever few years due to the dismal QA/QC in place) on ships and move everything constantly around the globe for no other reason than to facilitate quick (and very dirty) profits.   #3 (but maybe should be #1 right now) is poisoning the oceans to the extent it will no longer tolerate our filthy lifestyle.   Somewhere around #4 is issues regarding carbon emissions.  The amount of pollution from such idiocy as mining lithium to make batteries for EVs is far, far worse of a problem - and one that moronic governments promote and subsidize since they seem to be far too ignorant of the state of the ecosystems but more likely far too likely to benefit from playing with and profiting from the "solution" providers.

[myata]

Judging by the reflection in the media nothing (real) is going to result from this "climate action" as from all the earlier once beginning in the 80s. This is a global, one of the kind problem (when else species faced an exhaustion of resources on the planetary scale?) and to overcome it would require a massive concentration of resources, will and intelligence where some are looking for excuses to keep the status quo that is working for them, and others couldn't care facing far more immediate problems. What it comes down to then? A show. A daily show what are you willing to give up for the environment? Mommy, can we get an electric vehicle but of course dear, with a median income of $33K just don't eat and pay rent for a year.

The enlightened (and entitled) million preaching to itself to show their sincere concern and sure. But of course, shows always fixed serious problems. Fast forward.

[Nefarious Banana]

If you removed all the petroleum based products and components from your 'green' car, you couldn't even push it into your garage.

[blackbird]

I googled causes of man-made climate change and guess what?

I got a list of the signs of climate change and a whole lot of speculation and assumptions, but no actual proof.  

What Is the Evidence that Human-Caused Climate Change is Happening? | Caltech Science Exchange

Speculation or pointing to signs of climate change is not proof that man is causing it.  How often do we hear on the fake news forest fires are proof man is causing climate change.  Everything happening today is blamed on man.  That is the major flaw of the debate and these websites.  Whatever happened to the scientific method and proof?  The way these sites operate is similar to a fake justice system in China where a person is guilty unless he is proven innocent.  According to modern day "science", man is guilty of causing climate change unless he can be proven innocent.  This is not science but it is politics.

Edited November 8, 2021 by blackbird

[cannuck]

What REALLY bothers me is that we from extremely diverse political points of view have no trouble conducting a reasonable discussion on this topic with reasonable understandings of the actual problems and reasonable suggestions as to the very obvious solutions.   Yet NONE of this occurs at the sovereign nor diplomatic level - just truly idiotic and unsustainable efforts to do more of exactly the same things in slightly different ways.   

Take the US infrastructure bill right now:  not a HINT of reducing the amount of use of infrastructure to transport the same load one way on one side and the other way on the other side and load the highways, trains and airlines up with non-essential travellers.  Doesn't matter what side of the Canadian or American UNIPARTY is in power, they do the same things in slightly different ways, but always the same things.

[blackbird]

The third world countries are demanding the developed countries pay them for "causing climate change".  Already Trudeau and his cohorts in the U.N. have promised to give the third world 100 billion dollars to help them fight or ameliorate climate change.  This whole thing is dominated by the Marxist U.N. which is made up of about 200 countries, most of which are dictatorships or Marxists states.  They decide what the U.N. IPCC, more of a political body than a scientific group, will set as objectives.  Obviously the main objective will be to extort as much money as possible from the developed  countries.  Get ready for climate change alarmists in our country to turn their attention to everyone's every day life and look for anything that might release CO2.  They have already started talking about medical devices people use.  We will be punished just for living and will be taxed and fined for everything we do.  WE already are to a certain extent with the carbon tax scam.  The mainstream media is fully on the climate alarmism bandwagon.  We never hear opposing views on MSM.  They have effectively been silenced.  Cities and small towns have already started to declare climate emergencies, supposedly to give themselves the power to tax and charge every citizen for living.  This already started in my town with the distribution of new garbage collection system.  They delivered two large bins to every household, one for Organics and the Other for Recyclables.  We also have the original garbage container.  Everything must be separated, cleaned, and put in the appropriate bins.  Glass jars and plastic bags must be taken to the recycle depot by the citizens.  They also increased the monthly charge for collection by $4 per month or $48 per year.  But this could be just the tip of the iceberg of what is coming down the road.  People need to inform themselves about what is happening with this fake man-made global warming issue and stand up to defend their cities and country from the radical climate change politicians and alarmists.  Canada is in a dangerous place because politicians have been brow-beaten into accepting the madness.  There is no party for those of us who oppose this insanity.  Nobody wants to be known as a denier.  It has rapidly grown into a huge cult.

Edited November 10, 2021 by blackbird

[Faramir]

On 11/1/2021 at 1:40 PM, Argus said:

Our oil and gas sector accounts for approximately 26% of Canada's total, which itself is roughly 1.5% of world emissions. Basic math then says we're looking at about 0.35% of world CO2 emissions. Trudeau will hobble our economy in order and infuriate resource provinces in order to do little more than virtue signal.

Notably, world leaders clapped politely, but no one else made a similar offer. Other world oil gas and coal producers are ramping up production as world prices spike, eager to pull in billions and billions of dollars.

Trudeau will just borrow more money instead. And if Alberta and/or Saskatchewan wants to separate, well who cares, it's not like they're important anyway since they don't vote Liberal.

Canada will impose a hard cap on emissions from the oil and gas sector, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Monday at the COP26 summit in Glasgow.

Calling the promise "a major commitment" that should inspire other resource-rich countries to dramatically curb their own emissions, Trudeau said Canada is prepared to limit the growth of one of the country's largest industries to help the world hold the global average temperature increase to 1.5 degrees Celsius.

"We'll cap oil and gas sector emissions today and ensure they decrease tomorrow at a pace and scale needed to reach net-zero by 2050," Trudeau said during his two-minute speech in front of other world leaders gathered in Scotland.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-cop26-cao-oil-and-gas-1.6232639?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

Governments and liberals think resource extraction are evil industries and that tech is virtuous.  That is what it amounts to.  

[Faramir]

On 11/1/2021 at 2:51 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Radical climate change policy is anti-human.  We are carbon footprints.  We need heat in winter, shelter, food, and reliable means of transportation to our places of employment.  Carbon taxes drive up the costs of all those items and are an assault on humanity.  Why do you think the US hasn’t implemented carbon taxes?  There are millions of climate change zealots who are quite happy to watch humanity live under a form of low emissions subsistence slavery.  This movement is real and unfolding before your eyes.  Canada’s leadership is in full support.  

They are zealots who don't REALLY believe their own propaganda.  If seas levels are really going to rise and sink Miami, you would think housing prices on Miami beach would have collapsed by now.