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[WestCanMan]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

1. How's that working for them ?
2. I have no doubts about his integrity.  I'm certain he has none.  If you have doubts then what is it about him that makes you think he has some ?
3. You seem to think I like Trudeau.  Please take that as evidence that you're bad at logic.

1) It's working awesome. Trudeau's scandals have been minimized and thrown into the circular file by the MSM. 

2 & 3) Really? You are deflecting legitimate criticism from him at every turn. You're also acting like our MSM has integrity. Our country has communist-level news reporting and you're not concerned at all. 

[WestCanMan]

This reminds me of the 2019 election. The CBC presented Trudeau as the golden boy of Canadian politics in the run-up to the election, the debate moderators steered clear of them, and then after Scheer lost (even though he won the popular vote, as did O'Toole) they said "Scheer couldn't even beat Trudeau despite all of his scandals".

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) It's working awesome. Trudeau's scandals have been minimized and thrown into the circular file by the MSM. 

2 & 3) Really? You are deflecting legitimate criticism from him at every turn. You're also acting like our MSM has integrity. Our country has communist-level news reporting and you're not concerned at all. 

1) The SNC Lavalin scandal was broken by the Globe and Mail.   
2) I'm just stating facts.  You aren't criticizing Trudeau as much as you're criticizing the press and the policy and we're squabbling about the details of the payout.  But I'm not a Trudeau fan.

I do have problems with government funding the press, but so far it's not like the newspapers have been falling over themselves to love Trudeau.  The National Post always despised him and still does.

Our newspapers have integrity, for the most part and their behaviour in going after Trudeau shows that but who knows if that will hold. 

You want to throw the word 'Communist' around, well fine but it proves that you're not a serious poster.  Get your facts right and thank people like me for correcting you when you are wrong, is my advice.  You're getting a free education.

Have a great night.

 

[blackbird]

On 11/1/2021 at 5:43 AM, myata said:

On the scale from:

"Any authority must be at all times responsible and accountable to the citizens, has to follow due process, be subject to checks, oversight and recourse, explain, justify and defend its actions whenever they impact rights and interests of the citizens" (zero authoritarianism)

to:

"The authority or a ruler always knows best and don't need, at least in some cases and situations, explain or justify its decisions" (formal or de facto authoritarianism)

where does Canadian society stand? Specifically on this scale rather than in general, is it closer to Europe, or China?

 

Good question.   Who authorized our flag to be lowered to half mast for six months.  This is supposed to be a symbol that belongs to all Canadians, not one individual to use for his own agenda.

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) The SNC Lavalin scandal was broken by the Globe and Mail.   

So what? That story wasn't going to stay hidden. JWR was going to lose her job and the story wasn't going to stay completely buried. But the MSM downplayed it, kept some facts out of the public's eye, and then put a lid on it. 

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2) I'm just stating facts.  You aren't criticizing Trudeau as much as you're criticizing the press and the policy and we're squabbling about the details of the payout. 

Trudeau is a slimy POS, but the MSM are actually worse than he is because they're the ones who are letting him run the country into the ground.

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I do have problems with government funding the press, but so far it's not like the newspapers have been falling over themselves to love Trudeau.  The National Post always despised him and still does.

Our newspapers have integrity, for the most part and their behaviour in going after Trudeau shows that but who knows if that will hold. 

Newspapers are basically irrelevant. I don't even consider them part of the MSM.

The National Post can tell the truth about Trudeau every day and all you'll hear is "HHHHHHH - it's just PostMedia! They're terrorists!"

CTV and CBC control the news cycle in this country, and they're alt-left now.

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You want to throw the word 'Communist' around, well fine but it proves that you're not a serious poster.  Get your facts right and thank people like me for correcting you when you are wrong, is my advice.  You're getting a free education.

Have a great night.

Get over yourself MH. I said "communist-level news" and that was 100% accurate.

CTV and CBC are literally no better than Xinhua or TASS. You're deluding yourself if you think that western media has any more credibility than them. It was actually Xinhua that pointed out the hilarity of Trudeau's statement that "the PMO can't step in for Meng Wanzhou because the government here doesn't control the judiciary". How did our media miss that? 

Do you think that TASS doesn't accurately report on news that is apolitical in nature, just like CBC/CTV? Do you think that they don't report on major news events from all over the world, just with their own narrative in mind, exactly like CTV and CBC do? Do you think that they don't say "Canadian and American media is totally fake", just like our media says about them? Do you think that they're lying when they say that? Do you think that their version of the news is never more accurate than ours regarding some stories, or do you realize that it's a certainty that sometimes they actually will be more accurate than our media, just because the truth occasionally favours their narrative? I can promise you that their story about Biden's withdrawal was 100,000 times more accurate than CTV or CNN's were. Do you think that TASS/CTV/CBC hire reporters based on their high level of journalistic integrity, or do they exclusively hire people of a certain political stripe? I can promise you that having too much integrity would be an absolute dealbreaker for all 3 of those stations. Lisa LaFlamme et al know exactly what will happen if they say what they knew for a fact to be true when they're presented with their daily script. 

I have no reason to believe that TASS is any less legitimate than the CBC is. They tell the truth when it doesn't hurt the Communist Party, CBC/CTV tell the truth when it doesn't hurt the Liberal Party, CNN tells the truth when it doesn't hurt the Democrats. Aside from that, facts stand a snowflake's chance in hell.

I'll admit that CTV is a smidgeon better than CNN/MSNBC, but I have no reason to believe that TASS is any worse than CTV.

Edited November 6, 2021 by WestCanMan

[myata]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

Good question.   Who authorized our flag to be lowered to half mast for six months.  This is supposed to be a symbol that belongs to all Canadians, not one individual to use for his own agenda.

A good question, and many many other questions. And the answer is simple too: if it's not the citizen then there will be someone; always there will be someone to fill a nice, cosy (and juicy) spot and make these decisions, for us. For our own good, as always.

[Queenmandy85]

WestCan, you clearly don't like the media, but you don't say how we should fix that. Would you install a press bureau to impose editorial stance? Who would be the authority to oversee the press.

The money the government gave to the press was to ensure the press survived. Newspapers across the country are on the verge of folding. If we lose our mom, we will be inundated even more by the US propaganda machine.

You may not like the current Prime Minister, but until the CPC can put forward a viable  leader, Trudeau will continue to win. O'Toole isn't bad but do we really want a Prime Minister who "isn't bad?" We really need to look at why really good people don't want to be Prime Minister. The CPC had several top quality people such as Rona Ambrose, Michael Chong and Lisa Raitt, but chose O'Toole instead. The Grits have Freeland, Miller and Anand.

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

WestCan, you clearly don't like the media, but you don't say how we should fix that. Would you install a press bureau to impose editorial stance? Who would be the authority to oversee the press.

The money the government gave to the press was to ensure the press survived. Newspapers across the country are on the verge of folding. If we lose our mom, we will be inundated even more by the US propaganda machine.

You may not like the current Prime Minister, but until the CPC can put forward a viable  leader, Trudeau will continue to win. O'Toole isn't bad but do we really want a Prime Minister who "isn't bad?" We really need to look at why really good people don't want to be Prime Minister. The CPC had several top quality people such as Rona Ambrose, Michael Chong and Lisa Raitt, but chose O'Toole instead. The Grits have Freeland, Miller and Anand.

We need to turn off CTV and CBC completely. There are no Nielsen boxes required anymore, Shaw/Rogers cable know exactly what you're watching all the time. So when we all stop watching, and their ratings plummet, and they're getting pilloried in their social media posts, they'll have no choice but improve.

The press needs to learn compete online now.  Delivering quality, accurate news isn't impossible. It's just not a thing yet.

It can't even exist in countries like the US and Canada where only sycophants get access to Biden and Trudeau.