How to end America's Cultural/Civil War

[August1991]

Trump vs CNN, MSNBC etc.

Several years ago - around 2017 - I was in a restaurant in Reykjavik, alone at a table, beside a table with two NewYorkers, loudly talking about Trump.

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Return to the origin of your Constitution: State's Right.

Ultimately, this is how Canada has remained united. Quebec's sovereignty is respected. And this explains the collapse of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire and the catastrophic start of the Great War of 1914.

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My advice to Americans:

Let each State decide how to apply the various regulations/laws that progressive Democrats seem to want to apply to all Americans.

 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, August1991 said:

My advice to Americans:

Let each State decide how to apply the various regulations/laws that progressive Democrats seem to want to apply to all Americans.

They actually do that, to an extent.

Dem states inflict the maximum amount of authoritarian control that they can over everyone, and the federal gov't inflicts the maximum amount of authoritarian control that they can over federal employees, while the GOP states allow as much freedom as they can without being completely flayed alive by the MSM. 

[Argus]

Hard to do this without border controls. For example, Democrat controlled states impose some gun control while Republican states have almost none. This makes it difficult for the Democrat states to keep weapons, including automatic weapons out of their states. 

There is also the problem in America that the more rural states with lower populations have a disproportionate amount of impact at the federal level. This is a known feature of the US constitution, but it doesn't work as well when the two populations - rural wester/southern and urban north and west, despise each other because they're operating from entirely different information sources.

[Argus]

Not to mention the issue of violence, which keeps rearing its head. In a recent poll a almost a third of Republicans believed that violence was now needed due to how horrific the Democrats are.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/579160-stunning-survey-gives-grim-view-of-flourishing-anti-democratic-opinions?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

[August1991]

On 11/1/2021 at 4:12 PM, Argus said:

Hard to do this without border controls. For example, Democrat controlled states impose some gun control while Republican states have almost none. This makes it difficult for the Democrat states to keep weapons, including automatic weapons out of their states.

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People can freely cross state lines - but they are judged within a county.

Argus, you don't understand how American law works. 

[August1991]

On 10/31/2021 at 7:28 PM, WestCanMan said:

They actually do that, to an extent.

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The federal intrusion into States - your Civil War - was a disaster.

IMHO, your federal 1964 Civil Rights Act was an abomination.

In Canada, no federal government would dictate how a provincial governemt would teach its children. Heck, in Canada, we don't even have a federal education department. In Canada, such health and education policy questions are decided at the provincial level.

In Canada, some people speak French, and others are Catholic.

Because of you Americans, we fortunately have a federal constitution.

Edited November 5, 2021 by August1991

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

The federal intrusion into States - your Civil War - was a disaster.

IMHO, your federal 1964 Civil Rights Act was an abomination.

In Canada, no federal government would dictate how a provincial governemt would teach its children. Heck, in Canada, we don't even have a federal education department. In Canada, such health and education policy questions are decided at the provincial level.

In Canada, some people speak French, and others are Catholic.

Because of you Americans, we fortunately have a federal constitution.

I'm not an American, but I don't know that much about the education system in Canada. 

[DogOnPorch]

On 11/1/2021 at 1:13 PM, Argus said:

Not to mention the issue of violence, which keeps rearing its head. In a recent poll a almost a third of Republicans believed that violence was now needed due to how horrific the Democrats are.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/579160-stunning-survey-gives-grim-view-of-flourishing-anti-democratic-opinions?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

 

As opposed to the Democrat supporters who are already in the streets using violence.

[Shady]

On 10/30/2021 at 9:35 PM, August1991 said:

Trump vs CNN, MSNBC etc.

Several years ago - around 2017 - I was in a restaurant in Reykjavik, alone at a table, beside a table with two NewYorkers, loudly talking about Trump.

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Return to the origin of your Constitution: State's Right.

Ultimately, this is how Canada has remained united. Quebec's sovereignty is respected. And this explains the collapse of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire and the catastrophic start of the Great War of 1914.

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My advice to Americans:

Let each State decide how to apply the various regulations/laws that progressive Democrats seem to want to apply to all Americans.

 

 

 

Exactly.  For some reason Democrats in Washington are hell bent on insisting Texas be like California.

[Shady]

On 11/1/2021 at 4:12 PM, Argus said:

Hard to do this without border controls. For example, Democrat controlled states impose some gun control while Republican states have almost none. This makes it difficult for the Democrat states to keep weapons, including automatic weapons out of their states. 

There is also the problem in America that the more rural states with lower populations have a disproportionate amount of impact at the federal level. This is a known feature of the US constitution, but it doesn't work as well when the two populations - rural wester/southern and urban north and west, despise each other because they're operating from entirely different information sources.

That’s a common misconception.  Even states that value the 2nd amendment have a litany of gun laws.

[Queenmandy85]

The core problem in the US is they take politics and religion far too seriously. Politics, like any sport, is supposed to be fun. When any nation takes politics too seriously, their democracy (or in the USA- republic) is in trouble. The brand of the party in power has no bearing on government policy, nor should it have. Democratically elected governments have a very narrow range of options on any issue. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

1. The core problem in the US is they take politics and religion far too seriously.
2. The brand of the party in power has no bearing on government policy, nor should it have. Democratically elected governments have a very narrow range of options on any issue. 

1. I don't put Canada or the UK or Australia or NZ or Europe far from the US in terms of 'core problem'.  It's about a society that engineers utter flattery for its citizens, regardless of politics, and discourages excellence and self-improvement.  You can see it in the celebration of victimhood as well as the celebration of brute ignorance.  It's a moral sickness.
2. I would say "little" bearing and agree on the 2nd point.

[Shady]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I don't put Canada or the UK or Australia or NZ or Europe far from the US in terms of 'core problem'.  It's about a society that engineers utter flattery for its citizens, regardless of politics, and discourages excellence and self-improvement.  You can see it in the celebration of victimhood as well as the celebration of brute ignorance.  It's a moral sickness.
2. I would say "little" bearing and agree on the 2nd point.

It’s the freest most prosperous country to ever exist.  The states created the federal government, not the other way around.

[Michael Hardner]

43 minutes ago, Shady said:

It’s the freest most prosperous country to ever exist.  The states created the federal government, not the other way around.

What does that have to do with what I posted?

[Infidel Dog]

56 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

What does that have to do with what I posted?

America is based on Federalism - a shared responsibility between the states and the fed. The idea is one is supposed to keep the other honest.

As such the US became what Shady told you. "The  freest most prosperous country to ever exist."

The problem now is some states are powered by Progressivism and Progs only want power. It is a constant drip of Prog states moving to control the whole of America under their central control. Everything you complain about comes out of that. The disease that over the years is becoming embedded into America's core culture is what spins to create the problems you notice. They are total prog in design. 

Without the thing I will call 'Prog' the American project with balances and counter-balances organizing for maximum liberty and power of the individual was an amazing thing never seen before in the history of the world. Unfortunately progism is a self destructive core rot that wants all control (or infection) of everything and America as a whole is suffering from its culture on out.

Edited November 6, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

 Everything you complain about comes out of that. The disease that over the years is becoming embedded into America's core culture is what spins to create the problems you notice. They are total prog in design. 

 

Okay, but I don't see how I was supposed to get that from the post. But okay.

Also I think the narcissism in the culture comes from other sources besides politics but okay.

[Infidel Dog]

"Culture is downstream from politics."

~ Andrew Breitbart ~

[Shady]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

What does that have to do with what I posted?

Because you’re essentially complaining about freedom.  Yep, people have freedom to encourage, discourage and celebrate all kinds of things.  Some good, some bad.  Their society is inherently good, and just and moral.  Besides, mortality in subjective anyways.  Many consider the proponents of policies like abortion to be a moral sickness.  I tend to agree.  That type of sickness exists in Canada, probably on a greater level.  

[Infidel Dog]

I know typos should be ignored because sooner or later, no matter who you are you're going to make one yourself but sometimes they're chuckle-worthy and you can't help yourself. You've got to notice out loud.

You might want to lose the t in "mortality."

Wouldn't it be nice if mortality really was subjective though?

[August1991]

On 11/5/2021 at 11:04 AM, WestCanMan said:

I'm not an American, but I don't know that much about the education system in Canada. 

Canada has a federal State. Provincial governments decide education standards.

(Canada was Catholic, Protestant, English, French - federalism was our compromise. Unlike America, we never imposed such Federal laws such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to contracts between people.)

In Canada, we have the Official Languages Act - enscribed in our Comstitition - our federal government must respond to all people in French and English.

But we have no Official Cultural: Canada is a multicultural society with two Official Languages. Kinda cool.

 

 

[August1991]

7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

America is based on Federalism - a shared responsibility between the states and the fed. The idea is one is supposed to keep the other honest.

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Blah, blah...

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By GDP per capita, America is the only large population society/country in the top 10.

Norway? On average, rich. In a world of 7 billion people, a few million well-off, practical Norwegians.

Luxembourg? Tax laws?

IMHO, America is rich because it is a federal system.

By population, Canada is the size of California.

Edited November 7, 2021 by August1991

[Infidel Dog]

And a cantaloupe is a melon. I don't get your point.

But if you're talking about state rights vs federal power in America you're talking federalism so you should know a little bit about its history.

It's like Shady said. In the beginning it was states creating a federal government. Then there were arguments about which should have what or how much power. The formula they came up with created "the freest most prosperous country to ever exist."

There have been disagreements since but what seems to be happening now is a kind of cultural balkanization that creates problems of societal separation then presents more federal power under a particular sort of progressive-socialist leadership as the solution. 

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Roushy]

On 10/31/2021 at 5:28 PM, WestCanMan said:

They actually do that, to an extent.

Dem states inflict the maximum amount of authoritarian control that they can over everyone, and the federal gov't inflicts the maximum amount of authoritarian control that they can over federal employees, while the GOP states allow as much freedom as they can without being completely flayed alive by the MSM. 

Biased people are so unbelievably dumb. ? It’s the GOP that’s constantly mad that people have freedoms they don’t like. Abortion, gay marriage, special bathrooms, the right to vote… etc. Your comment is remarkably stupid. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, Roushy said:

Biased people are so unbelievably dumb. ? 

 

Good thing you're not, eh?

[Roushy]

34 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Good thing you're not, eh?

Yes it is. I can objectively criticize both parties equally for the same infractions. You know, like a rational adult?