Boges Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: that's how it went from leaders laughing at the notion that they would ever implement vaccine passports and doing so would be crazy Yeah, Out-of-Control COVID Hospitalizations will do that. But yeah, it was all a long game by Kenney and Moe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: yeah if you agree with authoritarian crackdowns then they aren't authoritarian only if you disagree are they authoritarian your definition is whack You could say the same thing about taxes. Feel free to pretend you live in some fascist state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Yeah, Out-of-Control COVID Hospitalizations will do that. But yeah, it was all a long game by Kenney and Moe. they were always planning to do that and they implemented them when the hospitalization rates weren't that high and didn't implement them when they were higher why? because it has nothing to do with public health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: they were always planning to do that and they implemented them when the hospitalization rates weren't that high and didn't implement them when they were higher why? because it has nothing to do with public health That's some bubble you live in. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boges said: You could say the same thing about taxes. Feel free to pretend you live in some fascist state. we don't live in a free country you are free to pretend you do but that is just proof of your lack of awareness 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, Boges said: That's some bubble you live in. ? okay bubble boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, Boges said: For those that lose their employment. . . should the employer not have the right to provide a safe workplace and safeguard against lost time due to COVID. Workplaces already have strict mask mandates. Going to see your family on a train or by plane is not essential? A good world, for you. And sure, in the third world or DG's world any meaningless mantra like "safety blah" can be used for any restrictions, without any conditions, checks or limits. I hope it's going to be a good world for you, because otherwise, as you know, there will be nobody else to blame. That you should know right from the start, so that there's no complains we didn't know and didn't expect blah silly pathetic and hollow as a pipe ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) those in the know predicted vaccine mandates were going to happen as they were developing the vaccine and we were called conspiracy theorists for it by the very people we knew would implement those mandates and then implemented them using the exact rubric to justify implementing them that we claimed they would and the NPCs naturally still fell for it, because that's what NPCs do they don't think for themselves they just repeat the same line over and over again that they were told to say by those they consider authority figures never straying from the very limited script they were given Edited November 2, 2021 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, myata said: Going to see your family on a train or by plane is not essential? A good world, for you. And sure, in the third world or DG's world any meaningless mantra like "safety blah" can be used for any restrictions, without any conditions, checks or limits. I hope it's going to be a good world for you, because otherwise, as you know, there will be nobody else to blame. That you should know right from the start, so that there's no complains we didn't know and didn't expect blah silly pathetic and hollow as a pipe ones. No it's not essential. You probably won't be able to travel internationally without a Proof of vaccination for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Boges said: No it's not essential. You probably won't be able to travel internationally without a Proof of vaccination for quite some time. yet another example of it not being about public health covid transmission on planes is very low almost as low as being outside being on a commercial airplane is literally one of the least likely places you can catch covid it doesn't get any safer indoors than that air travel restrictions are hella stupid Edited November 2, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: yet another example of it not being about public health covid transmission on planes is very low almost as low as being outside being on a commercial airplane is literally one of the least likely places you can catch covid it doesn't get any safer indoors than that air travel restrictions are hella stupid It's less about the plane and more about the international border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Boges said: It's less about the plane and more about the international border. irrelevant rapid test them before they get on the plane and after they get off the plane those who don't test positive should be free to travel problem solved no need for authoritarian crackdowns they aren't even effective meanwhile the actually effective measures are downplayed or ignored to justify the authoritarian crackdowns to the know nothing NPCs who don't even know what is effective and just trust that the government knows what's best Edited November 2, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, Boges said: No it's not essential. You probably won't be able to travel internationally without a Proof of vaccination for quite some time. You can though even now to any number of non-health-authoritarian countries, including in Europe. L-ing doesn't cut it whatever glorious new dawn it's justified by. It all is actually, in the old boring and rotting past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, myata said: You can though even now to any number of non-health-authoritarian countries, including in Europe. L-ing doesn't cut it whatever glorious new dawn it's justified by. It all is actually, in the old boring and rotting past. I guess you "Can". You probably still have to quarantine though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, Boges said: I guess you "Can". You probably still have to quarantine though. You are not well informed then. In non-authoritarian societies common sense matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, myata said: You are not well informed then. In non-authoritarian societies common sense matters. which societies are those? you sure common sense is still a thing when we live in clown world? Edited November 2, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: which societies are those? you sure common sense is still a thing when we live in clown world? To some extent, but some are trying better than others. In Europe commonly the rule of 3 applies: proof of recovery; negative test or vaccination. That at least makes more sense than the Holy V-Number above all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, myata said: To some extent, but some are trying better than others. In Europe commonly the rule of 3 applies: proof of recovery; negative test or vaccination. That at least makes more sense than the Holy V-Number above all. some places in Europe clear that rather low bar that is true we are through the looking glass over here in Canada though nowhere near clearing even that low bar common sense hasn't been common for a while it's rare and almost mythical now Edited November 2, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, myata said: You are not well informed then. In non-authoritarian societies common sense matters. Cite some advanced economies that have open borders without COVID restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Boges said: Cite some advanced economies that have open borders without COVID restrictions. argument ad populum the popularity of a policy doesn't necessarily have any correlation to it's effectiveness following the herd off a cliff isn't smart just because everyone else is doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted November 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, Boges said: Cite some advanced economies that have open borders without COVID restrictions. In English or any language "without restrictions" isn't same as "no vaccination requirement". And now my BS tolerance bucket is full, no further comments and please don't bother to either it will be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 I guess my whining tolerance is low today. If you want to board a plane or a train and you are required to be vaccinated to do so, rather than whine and moan, get vaccinated. It is no be deal. Nobody ever said this is a totally free country. But it is a wonderful country in which to live. Quit complaining and count your blessings. You live in a country where you have access to a vaccine that will help keep you safe. Billions of people don't. You are blessed. Be thankful for where you live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: I guess my whining tolerance is low today. If you want to board a plane or a train and you are required to be vaccinated to do so, rather than whine and moan, get vaccinated. It is no be deal. Nobody ever said this is a totally free country. But it is a wonderful country in which to live. Quit complaining and count your blessings. You live in a country where you have access to a vaccine that will help keep you safe. Billions of people don't. You are blessed. Be thankful for where you live. Or they can pout in the corner. No one really is listening to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: I guess my whining tolerance is low today. Really? So you thought you'd whine to us about it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boges said: No one really is listening to them. If that were true no comment would be necessary, but apparently it is because you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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