OftenWrong Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Boges said: Well VAERS data is not conclusive evidence that the vaccine is unsafe. And anyone who thinks that is woefully misinformed. That wasnt what we were talking about just now. But I appreciate how complex this issue can be, for some. So many facts to consider all at once! Must get a little mind-boggling, Boges. Do try and keep up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, dialamah said: LOL. 'CDC tells you that the data from VAERS is unverifited and 'that's beside the point'? I'm moving the goalposts because I don't accept unverified data? Right. If I'm so boring, stop responding. It's easy enough to do. Like you don't search on Google, LOL. And you aren't biased. LMAO No need to stop responding all I do is uncover your bs and lies. Which is easy to do on my spare time. It’s like taking candy from a baby... Edited October 21, 2021 by OftenWrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Spiderfish said: I honestly don't think our government would go to those extents...although from what I'm seeing out of places like Australia, it's possible I may be off on my judgement. Do you even read what you write, or understand your thoughts? Our government HAS ALREADY gone to all lengths to push every person in every place to vaccinate threating them with starvation since the travel and restaurant restrictions did not work well enough for them! They will mandate vaccination in every workplace in order to get you fired; then they will deny your EI claim to make sure you die if you don't do what they want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) On 10/19/2021 at 4:22 PM, Infidel Dog said: This one's just for entertainment through knowledge: Retired Anesthesiologist, Dr. Ted Noel shows you why masks don't work by vaping through one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJpS_jajub0&t=423s Too bad he doesn't show how far the smoke travels with no mask. He does not provide a comparison between masks and no masks, he just starts with a conclusion and invents a demonstration that will confirm it. We already know the purpose of the mask isn't to contain the virus, the whole idea behind them is to reduce the velocity so it doesn't travel as far and they do that. That's why masks with exhaust valves are useless. He also inhales the smoke and then blows it out instead of breathing normally. Of course most of it will try and bypass the mask. For an anesthesiologist he doesn't know much about fluid dynamics. Edited October 21, 2021 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted October 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: If that happens it will be because of international pressure. Countries want to stay on the “green” list. Welcome to the future. Double the cost of fuel and consumption “to fight climate change” and restrict freedoms for “public safety.” Then you can join the “good” countries. Smile broadly as that boot stomps you into the ground. There's another way though. You're being intelligent and respond to the situation. If the level of the infection grows dangerously high maybe it's time for additional measures. But not because some bureaucrat scratched their a..e somewhere and saw something in their cup of milk. And when measures are no longer justified by the situation you drop them, right away, without crying wringing hands and other drama. Then maybe people will be more inclined to understand and trust you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, Goddess said: I agree. What term do you use? I'm open to suggestions. I don't know....vaccinated people? Thing is...if we are really trying to have an honest discussion/debate, it shouldn't matter if your vaccinated or unvaccinated. This is a strategy that is being intentionally used to divide us and put people against people. Government loves this because it takes the focus off their terrible, failed policies and redirects the attention and blame back onto certain members of society. It's a disgusting ploy. Regardless of my vaccination status now or in the future, I will always side with the rights of people who wish to make their own decisions over what medical interactions they choose, this is not the business of the government, of me, or of the loud fickle mob...period!. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, cougar said: Do you even read what you write, or understand your thoughts? If you actually want a response, may want to shelve the condescending, arrogant, douche routine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, myata said: There's another way though. You're being intelligent and respond to the situation. If the level of the infection grows dangerously high maybe it's time for additional measures. But not because some bureaucrat scratched their a..e somewhere and saw something in their cup of milk. And when measures are no longer justified by the situation you drop them, right away, without crying wringing hands and other drama. Then maybe people will be more inclined to understand and trust you. Restrictions are now normalized. People have been weened onto them. A single media report of a healthy child dying, however unusual, triggers a political reaction. Now it’s Delta Plus. I don’t see restrictions lifting any time soon. “Reasonable” has come to mean catering to the paranoid and fearful. At what point does personal responsibility to take precautions replace state imposed restrictions, tests, etc.? I already know the answer for Canada. Never. Edited October 21, 2021 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, Aristides said: Too bad he doesn't show how far the smoke travels with no mask. He does not provide a comparison between masks and no masks, he just starts with a conclusion and invents a demonstration that will confirm it. We already know the purpose of the mask isn't to contain the virus, the whole idea behind them is to reduce the velocity so it doesn't travel as far and they do that. That's why masks with exhaust valves are useless. He also inhales the smoke and then blows it out instead of breathing normally. Of course most of it will try and bypass the mask. For an anesthesiologist he doesn't know much about fluid dynamics. Actually he does show the smoke traveling without the mask. Unfortunately the video is presented to start at the money shot where he's vaping with the mask on. If you'd started at the beginning you would see he takes a puff and vapes without the mask. There's a noticeable difference in amount but not distance. Nevertheless the fact remains much of the vape escapes with the mask. I've also seen a video of somebody vaping through a mask in cold weather and a painter showing how much paint manages seep through around openings even with a painter's mask. Also there's a video of a scientist doing a study showing how aerosol lingers in the air as opposed to droplets which drop almost immediately. I'm noticing mask fans like to encourage you to think of the virus as traveling in droplets rather than on carpets of aerosol. My reading tells me the actual virus is - I think it was - 600 smaller in diameter than the smallest hair on your head and travels on an aerosol particle that is about half the size of the holes in your average drug store face diaper...or...pardon me...mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 52 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: International pressure from whom exactly? Why would they bow to international pressure when their hospitals are overloaded, but not before? Could it be that the hospitals being overloaded is the actual criteria? That hasn’t happened in Canada. We got close in Ontario in spring. Alberta got close more recently. In the end all provinces have capitulated to restrictions. Interestingly, they’ve persisted and in some jurisdictions increased as vaccination rates climbed to what were once described as herd immunity levels. This is about control. Work from home, stay away from your neighbour, mask up, keep your car in the garage or don’t have one. It’s all about fighting climate change — I mean Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) Oh and Aristides: the purpose of such videos is to offer an idea graphically of how much aerosol can escape and from where. It doesn't need to show you how much escapes in normal breathing. That would, of course, be noticeably less graphic. But the point is aerosol can and does escape and that is undeniable. Edited October 21, 2021 by Infidel Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, Zeitgeist said: That hasn’t happened in Canada. We got close in Ontario in spring. Alberta got close more recently. In the end all provinces have capitulated to restrictions. Interestingly, they’ve persisted and in some jurisdictions increased as vaccination rates climbed to what were once described as herd immunity levels. This is about control. Work from home, stay away from your neighbour, mask up, keep your car in the garage or don’t have one. It’s all about fighting climate change — I mean Covid. We were talking about the UK… International pressure from whom? Why would they bow to international pressure based on how full their hospitals are? I agree…. Canada has been more precautions than the UK. Canada has a third the fatality rate. Could it be that the majority of people in Canada see the benefit in keeping the death rate lower? UK - 208 deaths per 100k people Canada - 76 deaths per 100k people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said: Oh and the purpose of such videos is to give an idea graphically of how much aerosol can escape and from where. It doesn't need to show you how much escapes in normal breathing. That would, of course, be noticeably less graphic. But the point is aerosol can and does escape and that is undeniable. Would you prefer to get your data from peer reviewed science or a Youtube guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: We were talking about the UK… International pressure from whom? Why would they bow to international pressure based on how full their hospitals are? I agree…. Canada has been more precautions than the UK. Canada has a third the fatality rate. Could it be that the majority of people in Canada see the benefit in keeping the death rate lower? UK - 208 deaths per 100k people Canada - 76 deaths per 100k people It’s because Canadians are less willing to stand up for freedom. The government is less willing to challenge dominant international narratives. Edited October 21, 2021 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) @ TreeBeard I'd prefer to get information from a combination of Science, consensus corporate or even other media Sciencey and common sense observance. I've offered that combination throughout the mask portion of this thread. You chose to cherry-pick one bit and offer it as a general 'debunk' of the whole package. I notice you fanboys of the narrative do that a lot. Why is that? Edited October 21, 2021 by Infidel Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: You chose to cherry-pick one bit and offer it as a general 'debunk' of the whole package. I notice you fanboys of the narrative do that a lot. Why is that? What did I cherry pick exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: It’s because Canadians are less willing to stand up for freedom. The government is less willing to challenge dominant international narratives. Those are two possible narratives. Could another narrative be that people in Canada are willing to sacrifice freedoms for a time for the greater good and that the government doesn’t challenge the dominant international narrative because there is no evidence that this narrative is incorrect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Could another narrative be that people in Canada are willing to sacrifice freedoms for a time for the greater good It's cute that you think this is only "for a time". It's not. Mark my words, the vax passport has already become a "Can I have a job?" passport and a "What activities am I allowed to do?" passport. It will take in more and more. Regardless of the vaccination levels. At some point in the future, you're going to want to do something and not be allowed to do it. Maybe travel to go see your grandkids. But if you don't have the correct amount of social credits, you'll be denied. By then, it will be too late to fight back and all those who wanted to fight back will be in camps. Edited October 21, 2021 by Goddess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Those are two possible narratives. Could another narrative be that people in Canada are willing to sacrifice freedoms for a time for the greater good and that the government doesn’t challenge the dominant international narrative because there is no evidence that this narrative is incorrect? That’s the spirit, comrade. Your sacrifices for the cause are duly noted. Keep up the good work. We may have just a few minor asks along the way. It will pay off. For the greater good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: That’s the spirit, comrade. Your sacrifices for the cause are duly noted. Keep up the good work. We may have just a few minor asks along the way. It will pay off. For the greater good. We’re all in this together, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: That’s the spirit, comrade. Your sacrifices for the cause are duly noted. Keep up the good work. We may have just a few minor asks along the way. It will pay off. For the greater good. I can't find it right now, but someone posted a sign from the Nazi era and that's exactly what it translated to: "For The Greater Good." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, Goddess said: …all those who wanted to fight back will be in camps. Does anyone else find this to be a bit hyperbolic, or is it just me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, TreeBeard said: Does anyone else find this to be a bit hyperbolic, or is it just me? You don't think it can happen? You're already being persuaded that any sacrifice "for the greater good" is wonderful stuff. I totally see you cheering as your unvaxxed neighbours are police escorted from their homes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Goddess said: I can't find it right now, but someone posted a sign from the Nazi era and that's exactly what it translated to: "For The Greater Good." The Nazis co-opted Christmas too… Should we stop celebrating that evil Nazi holiday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Goddess said: You don't think it can happen? No, I don’t think it can happen. In fact, I question the mental stability of those who do think it can happen. Quote You're already being persuaded that any sacrifice "for the greater good" is wonderful stuff. Where did I say that any sacrifice is wonderful? Is this more hyperbole? Quote I totally see you cheering as your unvaxxed neighbours are police escorted from their homes. See point #1 above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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