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Making fully vaccinated travellers present the results of a $200.00 PCR Covid-19 test before they can enter Canada is highway robbery and completely unnecessary.  It means that only wealthy families or small families will be able to afford to travel from or to Canada.  Why did we get vaccinated?  It hasn’t brought fewer restrictions on travel. On top of outrageously high energy and food prices, travellers must pay this draconian “PCR test” tax.

There can be no day or weekend visits to US states or Canadian provinces along the border under these conditions.   Why is Team Trudeau-Freeland burying Canadians in unnecessary costs and regulations yet again?  Canadian and US businesses along the border are justifiably furious.

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The latest ridiculousness: When government was asked how travellers could visit a border town for the day or weekend and still get a test done within 3 days of returning home, they said travellers could get the test before leaving Canada.  Wasn’t the point of the test to make sure Covid isn’t picked up in another country? These officials are stupid.  It’s like an absurdity from a Bulgakov novel.   Scrap the testing requirements for fully vaccinated travellers at least.  The Americans have it right on this.  

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What can be added to the fact that none of these: EU, UK require test for vaccinated travelers while US accepts quicker and less expensive antigen screening. You would think that Canada, with the strictest entry requirements in the developed world would be among the most effective in producing great results. Then look and think again. When a bureaucracy has a free hand, free of any accountability, the need to explain and defend its decisions, the reason goes away. Why should management be reasonable if it can be absolute? How many times one needs to stumble on that millennia-old truth?

And then, there's the question of exceptions. How many of them enter the country daily and routinely with no tests? How do the two numbers compare? Do they make any sense or just another covid-show Canadian bureaucracy is world famous for, like mask in a restaurant?

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On 10/15/2021 at 10:38 AM, Zeitgeist said:

The latest ridiculousness: When government was asked how travellers could visit a border town for the day or weekend and still get a test done within 3 days of returning home, they said travellers could get the test before leaving Canada.  Wasn’t the point of the test to make sure Covid isn’t picked up in another country? These officials are stupid.  It’s like an absurdity from a Bulgakov novel.   Scrap the testing requirements for fully vaccinated travellers at least.  The Americans have it right on this.  

This is evidence the policy is stupid. You just need a negative test!!!! You could have also been infected the two days after having the test. 

If you've even shared a room with a COVID positive person the government wants you to take 2 PCR test on the government's dime. There's no way these things cost $200. 

COVID-19 testing is a new cottage industry. 

We need to get to a point where getting COVID for vaccinated people is no big deal. Especially if you're young with low co-morbidities. 

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3 hours ago, Boges said:

We need to get to a point where getting COVID for vaccinated people is no big deal. Especially if you're young with low co-morbidities. 

We are already at that point sans vaccination, doh.

Glad to see you’re starting to discover certain absurdities with the new paradigm. But only where it affects you personally I guess. Yes the whole covid thing is an annoyance.

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11 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

We are already at that point sans vaccination, doh.

Glad to see you’re starting to discover certain absurdities with the new paradigm. But only where it affects you personally I guess. Yes the whole covid thing is an annoyance.

Going to be a long time before unvaxxed can cross international borders without quarantining. 

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The UK has ended all restrictions.  Though their case rates are high, their death rate is relatively low and manageable.  They’ve moved on to a much healthier, normal life where kids can see each other’s faces and play sports unmasked.  We’re still putting businesses and individuals, including the vaccinated, through onerous conditions to fight a minor threat that we should learn to live with because it’s never going away.

PCR and other test requirements are an expensive ordeal that make international travel prohibitive.  They’re an unnecessary anodyne that make no significant difference for vaccinated travellers.  What’s the upside of vaccination when the costs and restrictions continue indefinitely?

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53 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The UK has ended all restrictions.  Though their case rates are high, their death rate is relatively low and manageable.  They’ve moved on to a much healthier, normal life where kids can see each other’s faces and play sports unmasked. 

Live life or lose years for the Holy Number? Must be a no-brainer, in Canada.

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Here's a radical idea. Vacation in Canada. It is a beautiful country. Yes, Vale is a good hill, but Red Mountain in Rossland and North Star in Kimberley are two of the best ski hills in the world. Mount Tremblant in Quebec is another. 

If you have been deprived of the euphoric experience that is skiing, now is your chance. Not your thing (a tragic condition), visit Vancouver, Victoria, Long Beach, Calgary, Quebec City or even Toronto. You get to spend your money in your own country. Support the Canadian economy. 

Also, the beer is a lot better. 

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A can of Kokanee including environmental deposit and tax is $2.23.  That is a case of 18 costs $39.99 plus $1.80 environmental deposit and $6.00 tax. If you are willing to pay over 3 time the price of a can of beer, you are probably a member of the elite you are so concerned about. ?

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7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Here's a radical idea. Vacation in Canada. It is a beautiful country. Yes, Vale is a good hill, but Red Mountain in Rossland and North Star in Kimberley are two of the best ski hills in the world. Mount Tremblant in Quebec is another. 

If you have been deprived of the euphoric experience that is skiing, now is your chance. Not your thing (a tragic condition), visit Vancouver, Victoria, Long Beach, Calgary, Quebec City or even Toronto. You get to spend your money in your own country. Support the Canadian economy. 

Also, the beer is a lot better. 

So that’s how we encourage domestic tourism, by making foreign travel unaffordable?   How so very Soviet.  

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55 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

A can of Kokanee including environmental deposit and tax is $2.23.  That is a case of 18 costs $39.99 plus $1.80 environmental deposit and $6.00 tax. If you are willing to pay over 3 time the price of a can of beer, you are probably a member of the elite you are so concerned about. ?

It must have been a while since you visited a (pandemic normal of) eating and drinking place in this country.

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27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So that’s how we encourage domestic tourism, by making foreign travel unaffordable?   How so very Soviet.  

Maybe Soviet wasn't all bad?! Look how well China is managing this epidemics. And North Korea and one other country can't spell I'm afraid, cancelled it altogether.

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I oppose all unnecessary restrictions on freedom and all taxation that doesn’t provide a clear benefit to most people, especially when it most drastically impacts the poor.  How much more do we compromise individual freedom to meet the impossible and dangerous goal of hive health and environmental purity?   The overreach of government is damaging mental health, freedom, and happiness.  What do we live for?  Safety isn’t enough.  

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1 hour ago, myata said:

It must have been a while since you visited a (pandemic normal of) eating and drinking place in this country.

I am not part of the elite. My wife and I usually cook our own meals and occasionally have take out. It still isn't safe to dine in and we would rather save the money. As for beer, I had to ask how much it costs. I no longer drink beverage alcohol, but when I did, I knew American beer was inferior to Canadian, especially the beers produced in the Kootenays. Americans do many things well but beer is not one of them.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of beer costs $9?

Anyway, back to the topic, we live in a beautiful country. Why would a Canadian want to give their money to foreigners when we have so much to see and do here?

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20 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

So that’s how we encourage domestic tourism, by making foreign travel unaffordable?   How so very Soviet.  

The policy is to discourage people bringing all the covid variants percolating in the US where vaccines and masks are not embraced. The theme of public health for the last 20 months is Stay Home. The coming ski season is just a solid gold by-product.

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I no longer drink beverage alcohol, but when I did, I knew American beer was inferior to Canadian, especially the beers produced in the Kootenays. Americans do many things well but beer is not one of them.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of beer costs $9?

Only if it's of any interest, beer is made not only in USA and Canada. Some breweries on the old continent can be up to a thousand years old. We had $9 a pint beer in a place in Vancouver near waterfront but it seem to me these prices are quite common, a buck or two plus or minus.

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I think at this stage there's a strong need in forming a community of sane countries with a common, evidence and science based vision on long-term coexistence with Covid. That includes protecting the vulnerable while ensuring that normal life can continue all the while the population's immunity is adjusting to a new infection. This is not new, probably happened countless times and certainly intelligence and technology can help. Not a sledgehammer in the hands of a thoughtless and irresponsible idiot though.

Careless and irresponsible "travel from Wuhan" doctors are ready to unleash on a mass, population wide scale the experiment of continuous RNA-stimulation of the population immunity. This was never done before; long term effects are unknown. And as a society we are walking into this blindly without questions or discussion, handing them full and free rein. Unwise closing on insane, stpd. Makes me think if I want to be here if and when it blows back.

And this is highly unnatural too. Natural immunity responds to a myriad of daily threats by learning to recognize and produce an adequate and selective response to each one. Is continuous stimulation to pump out antibodies of one specific type, not once but over long time, years and decades, possibly indefinitely, even safe? What will it do to the ability to resist to other conditions? Who knows, who thinks and who is responsible here?

The answer is easy: in this country, nobody. None. That we have to know very well with "travel from Wuhan" after two decades of warnings. That at least is known and then you can make your own conclusions from here.

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Another string of breakins in the community. Nothing like this happened in decades going for weeks now. Maybe it's isolated, though see no reason why in this particular area? Or could it be a signal, message, symptom? The first early glimpses of the third world? How long raking public dough to the togetherness muzak can go on without something snapping somewhere? Could it go on forever? An autopilot democracy in the country is a few decades shy of two centuries, and Roman republic lasted five.

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On 10/18/2021 at 10:56 AM, Boges said:

This is evidence the policy is stupid. You just need a negative test!!!! You could have also been infected the two days after having the test. 

If you've even shared a room with a COVID positive person the government wants you to take 2 PCR test on the government's dime. There's no way these things cost $200. 

COVID-19 testing is a new cottage industry. 

We need to get to a point where getting COVID for vaccinated people is no big deal. Especially if you're young with low co-morbidities. 

It is on the travelers expense to get tested. 

Currently, recreational travellers entering Canada must show proof of a negative molecular test — such as a PCR test —taken within 72 hours of their departing flight or planned arrival at the border. But those tests can be expensive, running up to $300, and can take up to 24 hours — or longer — for travellers to get their results.

It's particularly prohibitive for families, as the molecular tests are required for everyone over the age of five. That means for a family of four, it can add $1,000 to the cost of a trip.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/covid-19-travellers-pcr-antigen-test-1.6238235

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