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17 hours ago, Aristides said:

Vaccines do not confer 100% immunity. Efficacy varies with the vaccine and number of shots for all of them.

How many people in Canada got polio in the last 30 years? Smallpox? How many vaccinated kids got meningitis? Zero, zero, zero.

Out of 38M Canadians, none of them got those things that they were vaccinated for, and in many cases the vaxxes happened 60+ years ago.

Less than 38M Canadians were vaccinated for C19, they were all vaccinated twice, all in the past 11 months, and they're all capable of spreading covid and lots of them have died as well.

There's literally no comparison. The C19 jab is not 'a vaccination' in the same way that those other things are called 'vaccinations'. It's like calling a motorcycle with a sidecar from MASH 4077 "a tank". It has some benefits compared to walking, it even offers some cover from small ammunition, but when there's a Panzer or a Sherman coming at you, you'd never say "Sweet, it's tank vs tank. Let's go mofo!".

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Smallpox was declared eradicated in 1979 and the last known case was around 77.  Influenza vaccine efficacy is all over the map. Polio vaccine requires three shots to get near 100%.

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One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.

Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps.

 

Meningitis vaccines are about 85%.

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From my crystal ball and it's not really that hard to read, the explanation for the chainsaw vaccination race in this country can be something like this: some model somewhere (remember 18,000 cases models?) has shown somebody that at vaccination rate of approximately 97.79% there's three in five chance of eradicating Covid in the country.

Of course a model is only a piece of arithmetic that may reflect some part of reality or a very small part. For example it probably does not reflect numerous entry exemptions and exceptions (but Joe and Jill arriving from well earned with frontline work vacation will have to put up the appearance of total border control); it likely ignores the increasing rate of transmission among vaccinated; it assumes that there will be no new resistant variants; and that in the meanwhile, on the path to the glorious goal the restrictions can be dragged on for as long as necessary (that is, in translation, as the model advised). All of that and more wasn't taken into account but not to worry, why shouldn't we try, like who cared and what's there to lose?

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1 minute ago, Aristides said:

I don't think anyone expects to eradicate Covid, the only disease that has ever been eradicated is smallpox. With vaccines. 

Then what is the explanation? How can lying and coercion be explained if there's no hope of eradicating it anywhere in the foreseeable future?

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On 10/13/2021 at 6:19 AM, EastCanada90 said:

so whats everyones opinion on the vaccine passports.. and reports of workers  especially in dining/food industry being abused by  customers when asked for vaccine proof.. ?

Like anything else that's on CTV/CBC news, it's most likely bullshit.

It sounds a lot like "white supremacist terrorists are turning PTA meetings into PTSD meetings" from the US.

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do you feel sorry for the workers being abused? or are you supporting with the people who tell them off for asking?

If it's actually happening, it's not the fault of the minimum wage earners working as hostesses, so of course I feel sorry for them, but workers have dealt with that kind of thing for thousands of years. It's nothing new. Everyone who ever reached 25 years old in any age in any country on the planet has had to deal with people who were too drunk or whatever on more than 1 occasion. 

Of course the people who vent on restaurant hostesses are clowns, but this is not an actual topic worthy of discussion. It's just the covid nazis looking for another topic, and another chance to vilify the dirty, unvaxxed terrorists.

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13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Like any other disease we control with vaccines.

Stop lying Aristedes, the vaccines aren't controlling covid and you know it. If they were then covid would have been eradicated in places like Israel that have extremely high vax rates. Instead, the dbl-vaxxed there are crowding ICUs.

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18 minutes ago, myata said:

Then what is the explanation? How can lying and coercion be explained if there's no hope of eradicating it anywhere in the foreseeable future?

Lying and coercion are the new normal. 

If you tell the truth before the MSM finally has to admit it then you get banned from social media and you're called a racist. 

The vaxxes are no different. The same nazis who lied about H2H transmission, Russian collusion, Brionna Taylor/G Floyd/R Brooks, the source of the viral outbreak, Hunter's laptop, "Dr FORD MUST BE BELIEVED", etc are pushing the vaccines now. 

This isn't a case of "vaccines are important, so we need to keep the unvaxxed away from everyone else", it's a case of "you didn't drink the Kool-Aid, you're not allowed to be a part of society."

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36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop lying Aristedes, the vaccines aren't controlling covid and you know it. If they were then covid would have been eradicated in places like Israel that have extremely high vax rates. Instead, the dbl-vaxxed there are crowding ICUs.

I guess that's why over 80% of the people in hospital are from the 15% of the population that hasn't been vaccinated.

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14 hours ago, Aristides said:

I guess that's why over 80% of the people in hospital are from the 15% of the population that hasn't been vaccinated.

No, with near half of the cases with "status unknown" you can't really state that or in fact, quote any of those numbers with confidence, before or without an independent audit. First try to explain how it could happen with even distant plausibility. Is it yet another case of "glaring incompetence" word, or still "misrepresentation" or shorter, l-word?

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Status is known in BC.

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From Oct. 25 to 31, people who were not fully vaccinated accounted for 64.4 per cent of cases and from Oct. 18 to 31, they accounted for 72.4 per cent of hospitalizations, according to the province.

Hospitalizations per 100K per week

Unvaccinated 24.15

Partially vaccinated 4.55

Fully vaccinated 1.15

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Only after we check every little comma and scribble, as one is always strongly advised dealing with a known l-r (where it cannot be avoided). For example, what is the meaning of the day of "not fully vaccinated"? How do expert folks who advised and recommended AstraZeneca, mixing and matching etc decided to count it today?

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1 hour ago, myata said:

Only after we check every little comma and scribble, as one is always strongly advised dealing with a known l-r (where it cannot be avoided). For example, what is the meaning of the day of "not fully vaccinated"? How do expert folks who advised and recommended AstraZeneca, mixing and matching etc decided to count it today?

The definition of not fully vaccinated has been quite clear for some time.  Within two weeks of receiving the second shot. Following AstraZeneca with a mRNA shot has shown to give protection that is at least as good as 2 mRNA shots. 

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So after a (long) while I made it to a place of public eating in Ontario (and I'm not encouraged to do it more often, sorry recovery) and can now compare the experiences first hand (thanks for the tips, Doctor).

First experience: the place is full, packed to the throttle; there's a line and I could not find a free table in the whole two level place had to ask another pair to share. No masks anywhere in sight. No vaccination checks. Beer and conversation flowing... you get the picture. Doctor, are you still with us?

Second experience: we put on masks before entering the place. We keep them on while ordering. There are three or four tables in the place and only one is taken, in the whole place. We get our vaccinations checked and names recorded. Finally the masks can go off and the experience commences. I can see the Doctor smiling in his omniscient "travel from Wuhan, no problem!" tower.

Ok, which of the two sounds like a "recovery" to you? Please be mindful, the question is tricky. It depends on your definition of (new?) normal.

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On 11/2/2021 at 8:37 PM, Aristides said:

not fully vaccinated accounted for 64.4 per cent of cases and from Oct. 18 to 31, 

 "Not fully vaccinated" includes:

  • People who just had one dose (some had adverse reactions to the first dose and refuse the second dose)
  • People who had their 2nd shot less than 2 weeks prior

It's a shady way of counting who is in the hospital, but I also understand why they do it - because your system is actually immuno-compromised for 2 weeks after each shot.  You are actually at GREATER risk of contracting covid and a multitude of other infections and diseases for 2 weeks after each shot.

There are multiple studies coming out now that show the double-vaxxed immunity is waning very quickly and frighteningly, going into the negative.  Which is exactly what many scientists and immunologists warned would happen and why they say in the next few years, cancers, neurological disorders, auto-immune diseases will skyrocket. (Haha, I used Boges' word)

Saved from a 0.5% chance of dying of covid to opening yourself up to dying from a multitude of things in just a few years.  Quite the trade-off.

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52 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

End all restrictions immediately.  Vulnerable people protect yourselves.  We have to absorb this disease and move on because it’s not going away.  There is no universal immunity.  Leave it to individuals to protect themselves and move on.  

How do they protect themselves?

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In another development today Canada's top PH expert has officially unveiled brand new children vaccination bandwagon. As usual these days with a scare 1984-style "schools are safe to major source of the wave" logical transition.

The risks of serious Covid in children are extremely small. Long term effects of RNA vaccination, unknown. Effective protection and treatments for vulnerable and severe cases exist. No public discussion of necessity, risks vs benefits for the children happened.

I'm getting concerned and even afraid what sort of a society it is becoming. One way or the other Covid would pass but are we seeing already the signs of an essential change in the public psyche and the nature of the society?

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Look at this piece CBC: questions on vaccination of children answered. Try to find questions like is it really needed for my child? why is it needed? is there a possibility of unknown long term effects? What are the benefits versus risks for my child and the society, all those answers one would want, and need to make an important decision possibly with long term effects.

No. It's a foregone conclusion, like with a two year old has to be porridge. Every "answer" is not about if but how. Different points of view simply do not exist. Everyone is marching to the great new dawn, no hesitance or exceptions. And we are paying for this misinformation well into the territory of plain propaganda with our money.

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20 minutes ago, myata said:

Look at this piece CBC: questions on vaccination of children answered. Try to find questions like is it really needed for my child? why is it needed? is there a possibility of unknown long term effects? What are the benefits versus risks for my child and the society,

They ask the questions for you in this age of information, and give the only possible answers allowed.

Therefore they are the best possible answers.

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40 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

They ask the questions for you in this age of information, and give the only possible answers allowed.

Therefore they are the best possible answers.

;)

Sure. Only one question then: how is different from China? Is there any essential difference, already?

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