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17 hours ago, Argus said:

If the European migrant crisis demonstrated anything it was that the great majority were NOT fleeing persecution and terrorism but simply pursuing a better, richer life.

Merkel performed a great evil on Germany that Stasi witch.

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On 10/18/2021 at 1:03 PM, Dowell said:

The context seems pretty clear to me, it is the word of God given to all of us. "for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."  That is foundational. It is also the standard used to separate the sheep and the goats in Matthew 25.

Since you claim the Sermon on the Mount is a rule of life for the church (foundational is the way you put it), do you actually believe you or anyone is able to successfully keep the commands in the Sermon on the mount (Matthew 5, 6, and 7)?  And if not, how can you or anyone else be saved?

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On 9/27/2021 at 7:55 AM, Michael Hardner said:

The SUN article conflates immigration and refugee programs, but what's new from the shittiest, laziest, most dishonest mainstream media outlet in Canada.

That said, unlimited refugee claimants is NOT supportable.  Some of this makes sense "Sorry Mr. Gay Afghani but can you PROVE that you would be at risk under the Taliban government ?" but a whole lot of it does not.

So... yay SUN I guess 🤔  at least for having something substantial to base the article on and doing some original work.  ( Versus the PostMillennial and The Rebel)  I suppose they are earning their generous government handout after all.

It's not hard to see that MH is a lefty liberal thru and thru. No doubt that MH favorite newspaper is the communist Pravda Toronto Star, right MH? 😁

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On 9/27/2021 at 6:51 AM, ironstone said:

I suspect this new policy will not apply to straight white people outside Canada. 

We are now starting to see the end of a white homeland here in Canada for white people in this new now diverse and multicultural Marxist Canada. Once white people become a minority in their own white homeland they should start to prepare themselves to be treated as second class citizen's one day. Our white traditions, our white heritage and pretty much our white culture will be thrown out the window and will be replaced by a foreign born invasion of non white legal and illegal immigrants and refugees. 

Sadly though, the majority of white Canadians still refuse to see the writing on the wall. Their white kids and grand kids will pay a hefty price for their white parents ignorance and who gives a chit attitude. The end is fast approaching for their white demise. Believe it or not. 🙄

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On 10/17/2021 at 2:29 AM, RedDog said:

 Nobody buys your shit anymore. You ride on Alberta. You lie.

What can one expect from a guy who reads the Toronto Pravda Star for his daily news of propaganda and bull chit every day. It certainly looks to me like this guy wants to see white Canada go down the tubes and be replaced by non whites. Just saying. 😇

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On 10/16/2021 at 8:21 AM, blackbird said:

Leftists and multicultural woke could care less about native, European descendants rights or culture.  Alien cultures and religions don't enrich the lives of the established Judeo-Christian culture in Canada. The lefty activists supporters of third world immigration / cultures constantly complain about racism without giving specific instances and thereby insult people for simply being Caucasian or being of European descent.  We often hear how we are colonials, colonizers, and guilty of genocide and systemic racism.  Politicians exacerbate the differences by constantly harping about systemic racism and pandering to immigrants and smearing everyone else.  Many left/liberal politicians use the issue to exploit the masses for votes by deliberately causing division.

"Global anxieties about immigration are not merely about security and economics. They are also about culture. People are feeling robbed of their cultural security, like someone has come into their home and changed the furnishing and décor without their permission, and then shamed them for daring to speak out.

Most Australians—immigrants included, I believe—don’t give a damn about diversity, they care about immigrants fitting in and making a contribution.

The problem with multiculturalism is that at its heart there is a contradiction, a contradiction that is now playing out in Europe with the rise of anti-immigration movements, and in the UK with the Tommy Robinson movement. Foundational to multiculturalism is the plausible premise that culture matters to personal identity and self-respect. But multiculturalists then advocate the adjustment of pre-existing national cultures to suit the cultural needs of migrant communities so that they don’t feel alienated from the host nation. The problem is that multiculturalism forgets that the pre-existing national culture means something to its citizens too—surprisingly, to multiculturalists at least, it isn’t just cultural minorities who love their culture."  The one huge problem with multiculturalism | The Spectator Australia

"One of the defining features of Multiculturalism is the tenet that all cultures are equally valuable, good, and worthy of respect, if not outright celebration. This in part stems from a hodgepodge of postmodernism (“There are no objective truths”) and moral/cultural relativism (“Who are we to judge the moral and/or cultural precepts of another people?”). For a discussion of these misguided principles, see my earlier posts here and here. A consequence of Multiculturalism is the notion that host nations/cultures should not expect that new immigrants internalize the defining ethos of the host nation. Rather, it is assumed that each cultural group will maintain its distinct identity irrespective of whether its foundational cultural values are contrary to those of the host nation. Lack of integration and assimilation are not necessarily poor outcomes according to Multiculturalism, as such isolationism is viewed as an instantiation of cultural pride." Multiculturalism: A Failed Policy | Psychology Today

The truth is western civilization-culture is deteriorating with the influx of immigrants and illegal migrants from the third world.  Nationalism is shunned in Canada and even Trudeau said Canada is a post-national state.  Canadians have nothing to be proud of in destroying our Judeo-Christian civilization.

It appears to be quite evident to me right now that the majority of our useless bunch of lefty liberals, NDP socialists, and those pinko conservative politicians want to destroy our British and European way of life and replace it with non white British/European cultures that have no love for our white culture at all. They are culturally incompatible with our white culture. Just saying. 😇

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Since you claim the Sermon on the Mount is a rule of life for the church (foundational is the way you put it), do you actually believe you or anyone is able to successfully keep the commands in the Sermon on the mount (Matthew 5, 6, and 7)?  And if not, how can you or anyone else be saved?

I assume that you are familiar with the parable of the wheat and tares. If you care for, respect and share with others, you are wheat. If you have no compassion for others, and berate them, you are a tare. Jesus paid a ransom for all he calls His own. Matthew 25:31-46 shows how He decides which you are.

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1 hour ago, Faramir said:

You may have missed awhile back thousands of Syrian so called refugees pouring into the country.

Refugees who were all perfectly safe in Turkey, and who Canadians did not want.

More than 70 per cent of Canadians don’t support the federal government taking in more than 25,000 Syrian refugees, according to a new poll from the Angus Reid Institute. Two in five respondents think Canada should stop taking in Syrian refugees immediately.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/majority-of-canadians-dont-want-to-take-in-more-than-25000-syrian-refugees-new-poll

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18 hours ago, Dowell said:

My grandparents did the same thing.

And were your grandparents illiterate rural third world farmers unfamiliar with the roman alphabet?

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2 hours ago, Dowell said:

I assume that you are familiar with the parable of the wheat and tares. If you care for, respect and share with others, you are wheat. If you have no compassion for others, and berate them, you are a tare. Jesus paid a ransom for all he calls His own. Matthew 25:31-46 shows how He decides which you are.

The fundamental problem you have is in thinking chapters 5, 6, and 7 refer to Christians or the Church.  If you examine those chapters you will see Jesus is referring to the future Kingdom of Heaven.  The Kingdom of Heaven has not arrived yet.  It is a future kingdom which Christ will establish on earth.  Therefore what Jesus is describing is the way people will act in the Kingdom of Heaven.  But they obviously could not do it on human power because according to the Bible everyone has a fallen, evil heart.  It would take a supernatural power from God to achieve.  If you read those chapters carefully you will have to admit nobody keeps those commands.  So there has to be a better explanation for what those chapters mean.

Those are the way it will be in the future Kingdom of Heaven.  If you say those requirements apply to everyone today, you will find that nobody can achieve those standards.  They will fail.  So again, how will you get into heaven if you set those requirements as the determining factor as to to who is the wheat and who is the tares today?  Read those chapters and tell me.  Chapter 5 vs 3 says:
"3  Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."  KJV

Very clearly it says the kingdom of heaven.  So where is this kingdom of heaven being referred to in numerous verses?  Do you know what the Kingdom of Heaven is?

So if a person keeps one of those commands such as has compassion for some others at certain times, but fails at other times, what happens to him?  Where does he go?   According to the way you have put it, a person must have been compassionate at all times and never failed to do this.  Same with other commands in these chapters.  What happens if someone has not kept all these commands 100% of the time?  

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8 hours ago, Dowell said:

I assume that you are familiar with the parable of the wheat and tares. If you care for, respect and share with others, you are wheat. If you have no compassion for others, and berate them, you are a tare. Jesus paid a ransom for all he calls His own. Matthew 25:31-46 shows how He decides which you are.

"31  When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me."  Matthew 25:31-46 KJV

So according to your interpretation, one must be judged as a sheep and not a goat.  And to achieve that, he must have done everything stated in verses 35, 36 as stated in the verses above.  This you must admit makes salvation dependent on your having followed these verses, or in other words, your good works.  How do you reconcile that interpretation with what Jesus said in the gospel of John?  "16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."   John 3:16 KJV   or  " 36  He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. " John 3:36 KJV  " 8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9  Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians ch2:8,9 KJV   

Clearly, Jesus said salvation is by faith, not by works.   Paul's epistle to the Romans makes this crystal clear.

"16  For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."  Romans 1:16, 17 KJV

"22  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; "  Romans 3:22, 23 KJV

Again the Apostle Paul says clearly salvation is by faith.  He also points out we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God.  Therefore how do you reconcile your claims about Matthew ch25 that one must keep those commands to be a sheep and not a goat?   If Paul says in Romans we have all sinned and even as sinners, we are saved by faith, that kind of contradicts your interpretation of Matthew ch5, 6, and 7 and ch.25 where you claim one must keep those commands in order to be saved.   Both interpretations can't be correct.  You are either saved by works according to your interpretation or by faith as Jesus said in the gospel of John and Paul said in Ephesians and the epistle to the Romans.  Nobody can get into heaven by their own efforts or works.  Paul makes this clear when he says we are all sinners.  That is why Christ died and shed his blood.  He shed his blood as an atonement for lost sinners.  That is the only basis of receiving forgiveness from God and we receive salvation when we believe he died for us personally.  One cannot work his way to heaven.

"1  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:" Romans 5:1 KJV

 

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6 hours ago, Faramir said:

Merkel performed a great evil on Germany that Stasi witch.

I recall a funny but pretty accurate comment on Merkel by Alex Jones. He said something to the effect that Merkel was "like a reverse Hitler" in that she invited outsiders to invade Germany.

Same thing happening here, more foolish policies from the lefties.

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

The fundamental problem you have is in thinking chapters 5, 6, and 7 refer to Christians or the Church.

Your problem is that you try to cut Jesus' word into little pieces and say this piece is for those people, and this one for those. That is fundamentally untrue. You can't limit God. His word is for all His children who ever existed. Your mind has clearly gone to some strange place.

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1 hour ago, Dowell said:

Your problem is that you try to cut Jesus' word into little pieces and say this piece is for those people, and this one for those. That is fundamentally untrue. You can't limit God. His word is for all His children who ever existed. Your mind has clearly gone to some strange place.

So how do you reconcile these verses with the verses and comments I gave you 2 hours ago about salvation by faith and not by works.  You claimed the verses you quoted in Matthew prove your claim that they are mandatory to obey to be a sheep and not a goat.  I showed you how that could not be the correct interpretation because of what it says in the gospel of John and the Epistles of Ephesians and Romans that salvation is entirely by faith in Christ.  So you have a sharp contradiction.  Either salvation (eternal life) is by following the chapters in Matthew we talked about or salvation is by faith in Christ as stated in the Scriptures I gave you.  How do you explain it?  It is incumbent upon you to answer the discrepancy in your interpretation.  I explained this in depth 2 hours ago.  

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8 hours ago, Dowell said:

I assume that you are familiar with the parable of the wheat and tares. If you care for, respect and share with others, you are wheat. If you have no compassion for others, and berate them, you are a tare. Jesus paid a ransom for all he calls His own. Matthew 25:31-46 shows how He decides which you are.

"5  Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6  Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; "  Titus 3:5 KJV   You are clearly claiming one can work his way to heaven.  This is completely contrary to this verse here I just quoted and the other verses I quoted a few hours ago. This verse in Titus is talking about the new birth and states clearly it is "not by works of righteousness".   You either accept God's ordained way of salvation or your own false way of trying to work your way to heaven, which God clearly rejects.  May the peace of God be with you in your decision.

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49 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are clearly claiming one can work his way to heaven.

You are clearly mistaken, once again. Love respect compassion, basically being good citizens, or good children of God if you prefer are what Jesus is looking for. Keeping the good, rejecting the bad.

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8 hours ago, Dowell said:

You are clearly mistaken, once again. Love respect compassion, basically being good citizens, or good children of God if you prefer are what Jesus is looking for. Keeping the good, rejecting the bad.

I have news for you.  The verses I gave you show you cannot love, respect, have compassion, or become a good citizen as far as God's standards are concerned.  You are born with a fallen corrupt nature and have basically a corrupt heart.  Nothing you do will meet God's approval or standards unless you are born again and translated into the kingdom of his dear Son.  This is a spiritual birth and is accomplished by God the Holy Spirit. That is the naked truth my friend.

Only Jesus Christ can save you.  You cannot save yourself no matter how hard you try.  I pointed the verses out that show that but so far you refuse to listen.  I would humbly suggest you read the gospel of John carefully and take heed while you still have time.  Also the epistles especially the Epistle to the Romans.   "salvation cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God".

What the Bible says about Corruption of the Human Heart (bibletools.org)

"6  But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. 7  And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. "  Isaiah 64:6, 7 KJB

 

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12 hours ago, Dowell said:

Your problem is that you try to cut Jesus' word into little pieces and say this piece is for those people, and this one for those. That is fundamentally untrue. You can't limit God. His word is for all His children who ever existed. Your mind has clearly gone to some strange place.

I dunno if you call yourself Christian - I don't want to assume based on a few posts - but this makes Christianity  appealing.  Among other things that I dislike about religion (not just Christianity) is the exclusion so many practice.  If there is a God who loves his creation, it doesn't make sense that he'd use them based on denomination.  Judging them based on their actions of good/evil makes sense, but good people exist everywhere, not just in a single Church.  

Anyway, I like what you said there.  

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6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I dunno if you call yourself Christian - I don't want to assume based on a few posts - but this makes Christianity  appealing.  Among other things that I dislike about religion (not just Christianity) is the exclusion so many practice.  If there is a God who loves his creation, it doesn't make sense that he'd use them based on denomination.  Judging them based on their actions of good/evil makes sense, but good people exist everywhere, not just in a single Church.  

Anyway, I like what you said there.  

According to the Bible, we are all fallen sinners and need to be born again. This is not "religion";  it is just Biblical truth.  Religion will not save you.  Only Jesus saves because he paid the price for our sins on the cross when he shed his blood for an atonement.  We are saved only if we accept that atonement as our own, i.e. accept Jesus as our personal Savior.  Until then one is separated from God for eternity because of his fallen corrupt nature.  Nobody can earn heaven or salvation.  It is a gift from God.

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3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

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Really?  Than I don't think I should bother if the best I can do is no better than filthy rags.  

but hey ... here's another one:  

Luke 6:35 ESV  

But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.

This one is much more encouraging.

Anyway, this thread isn't supposed to be about religion, but about refugees.  Or at least about beating up on certain refugees.

 

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3 hours ago, dialamah said:

Among other things that I dislike about religion (not just Christianity) is the exclusion so many practice. 

Jesus came to bring life, not death. Many who call themselves Christians want to tell Jesus who to love. They are like the Pharisees.

Luke 5:30-31

But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?”

Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.  I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Is salvation open to all? If you follow the teachings of Jesus, rather than the teachings about Jesus, the answer appears to be yes. If you study what Jesus taught and did, you see that he was, in the words of Bible scholar Marcus Borg, “radically inclusive.” He said to love one another, and he exemplified this by honouring and caring about people of all backgrounds.

Spiritual leaders through the ages have asserted that Jesus was not just the example and advocate for Christians, but for everyone. Mahatma Gandhi, a Hindu, once said: “Jesus gave humanity the magnificent purpose and the single objective toward which we all ought to aspire. I believe that he belongs not solely to Christianity, but to the entire world, to all lands and races.” (Gandhi also said, “If Jesus came to earth again, he would disown many things that are being done in the name of Christianity.”)

God loves in His children what we love in ours, love compassion, respect and gratitude. God cares who you are, not what you are.

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