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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

not saving a child

is not murder

killing them

is murder

derp

So a parent can let their child die of a disease rather than bringing them to a hospital?

Cuz…. Not saving them

is not murder

according to

you

 

But I am near 100% certain that this would be illegal.  Do you want to revise your answer?

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7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So a parent can let their child die of a disease rather than bringing them to a hospital?

Cuz…. Not saving them

is not murder

according to

you

 

But I am near 100% certain that this would be illegal.  Do you want to revise your answer?

the disease would be killing them

the parents would not be murdering them, objectively speaking

unless they gave them the disease intentionally

none of your stupid analogies change the calculus for the morality of abortion

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6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the disease would be killing them

none of your stupid analogies change the calculus for the morality of abortion

So you think a parent is allowed to just not bother seeking medical treatment for a sick child?  

Can a parent allow their child to starve to death?

“Your Honour…. Starvation killed that child, not me”.

That argument didn’t work: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/meningitis-trial-verdict-1.3552941

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16 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So you think a parent is allowed to just not bother seeking medical treatment for a sick child?  

Can a parent allow their child to starve to death?

“Your Honour…. Starvation killed that child, not me”.

That argument didn’t work: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/meningitis-trial-verdict-1.3552941

you were referring to parents refusing to give blood transfusions to their child

you are now moving the goalposts

flailing to try and front like abortion isn't murder and justify it morally

while trying to play the right to life card to justify your support for abortion

listen to yourself, this is looney tunes pretzel logic

 

I can make an infinitely better case against these abortion laws than you can

it's not even hard

step your game up

there is no need to make yourself into a fool

to make the case

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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you were referring to parents refusing to give blood transfusions to their child

you are now moving the goalposts

flailing to try and front like abortion isn't murder and justify it morally

while trying to play the right to life card to justify your support for abortion

listen to yourself, this is looney tunes pretzel logic

 

I’ll recap:

You said the difference is actively killing a child vs not saving a child.

So I asked if not actively saving a child with a disease would be illegal.

And you said that the disease killed the child

I pointed out that this is illegal   A parent MUST save a child if they can.  They can’t just let a disease kill a child.

And here we are….

 I still don’t know if you think it is legal to let your child starve to death?

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2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I’ll recap:

You said the difference is actively killing a child vs not saving a child.

So I asked if not actively saving a child with a disease would be illegal.

And you said that the disease killed the child

I pointed out that this is illegal   A parent MUST save a child if they can.  They can’t just let a disease kill a child.

And here we are….

 I still don’t know if you think it is legal to let your child starve to death?

you have lost the plot

we are talking about abortion

your stupid analogies are neither here nor there

make a better argument for your position

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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

you have lost the plot

we are talking about abortion

your stupid analogies are neither here nor there

Well, I am conversing with someone who doesn’t seem to know whether a parent has to actually help child get to a hospital, or even feed them.  

Here is the point:

We force parents to keep their child healthy and even clean.  A parent cannot even leave a child at home alone without facing repercussions.  To not do so is illegal. 

However, we won’t even make the parent give blood if their child is dying.

The difference is bodily autonomy.   Bodily autonomy is sacrosanct above even the life of a child.  We won’t even make a parent give up some fluid that their body will replace quickly to save a child’s life. 

Do you think a fetus’ life is more valuable than a 10 year olds’ life?

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9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Well, I am conversing with someone who doesn’t seem to know whether a parent has to actually help child get to a hospital, or even feed them.  

Do you think a fetus’ life is more valuable than a 10 year olds’ life?

you are dealing with someone who sees no need to answer such a stupid question that has no bearing on the discussion

obviously the child in the womb's life isn't more important than the 10 year old child's

I am not arguing that anyone's life is more important than another's

you are the one making that argument to justify killing an unborn child by dehumanizing it

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On 9/23/2021 at 5:38 PM, TreeBeard said:

I

I pointed out that this is illegal   A parent MUST save a child if they can.  They can’t just let a disease kill a child.

And here we are….

 I still don’t know if you think it is legal to let your child starve to death?

Staving a child is child abuse and subject to the court of law, but you should examine your statement again...A parent MUST save a child if they can, Why does it apply to killing a child through starvation and not killing it in the womb when it is considered a infant... , ...at what period of time is the fetus consider a child, or human being, or a life ? Once that is determined it will solve this entire question for both sides..

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