Why Canadians re-elected a Liberal government?

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

Merely making the point Quebecers are Canadians of convenience only, and will leave the instant they see it as economically viable without serious penalties.

How many of them are?  All of them?

[TreeBeard]

45 minutes ago, Faramir said:

The time will come 20 years down the road as it has happened in Sweden and other European nations.  20 years time there will be roving rape gangs in our down towns by Muslim groups.

That’s a bold prediction.  You sound very sure of the roving rape gangs, just like they have in Sweden.  Maybe Sweden needs a few more police?  Do you think we could prevent the roving Muslim rape gangs with a few more cops walking the beat?  At least we know about the problem already, right?

Do you think migrants commit more crime in Canada in general?  Or just Muslim ones?

[Faramir]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

That’s a bold prediction.  You sound very sure of the roving rape gangs, just like they have in Sweden.  Maybe Sweden needs a few more police?  Do you think we could prevent the roving Muslim rape gangs with a few more cops walking the beat?  At least we know about the problem already, right?

Do you think migrants commit more crime in Canada in general?  Or just Muslim ones?

The Syrian civil war provide opportunities for the scammers in the refugee business.  Mostly these were young males who left their own wives and children behind.  Most were not real refugees but just using bleeding heart sympathy to swarm into the West.  Most were not even from Syria but migrated there are far as from Morrocco.  And we invited them in without any sort of due diligence.  Canada by the way has a laughable 50% acceptance rate from so called refugees.  For comparison the UK has a 15% acceptance rate.  The Japanese have a much for sustainable model that protects their own culture and people - accepting under 400 refugees per year.

[TreeBeard]

2 minutes ago, Faramir said:

The Syrian civil war provide opportunities for the scammers in the refugee business.  Mostly these were young males who left their own wives and children behind.  Most were not real refugees but just using bleeding heart sympathy to swarm into the West.  Most were not even from Syria but migrated there are far as from Morrocco.  And we invited them in without any sort of due diligence.  Canada by the way has a laughable 50% acceptance rate from so called refugees.  For comparison the UK has a 15% acceptance rate.  The Japanese have a much for sustainable model that protects their own culture and people - accepting under 400 refugees per year.

Which culture should we be protecting?  

But can we prevent the Syrian Muslim Rape Gangs by adding more police? Maybe there’s a way to stop this before it happens and gets as bad as Sweden.

[Faramir]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

Which culture should we be protecting?  

But can we prevent the Syrian Muslim Rape Gangs by adding more police? Maybe there’s a way to stop this before it happens and gets as bad as Sweden.

LOL this is the current political climate where Trudeau tried passing a bill to criminalize any criticism of Islam.  Eventually muslims will be untouchable by the police.  We should be protecting CANADIAN culture and political tradition.  We should not have protected groups from criticism.  

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Faramir said:

LOL this is the current political climate where Trudeau tried passing a bill to criminalize any criticism of Islam.  Eventually muslims will be untouchable by the police.  We should be protecting CANADIAN culture and political tradition.  We should not have protected groups from criticism.  

I missed that…. What bill was that?  

Why is a change in culture a bad thing?

[Faramir]

Bill C36

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberals-introduce-bill-to-combat-online-hate-speech-as-commons-adjourns-for-summer-1.5483260

 

[Army Guy]

On 9/21/2021 at 10:44 AM, EastCanada90 said:

lets see   wanting more pipelines.. closing vets offices   calling the east coast a culture of defeatism so basically lazy..   OH and lets not forget the coward trying to raise old age to 67 and announcing it in another country first lol... plenty of reasons not to like the man.. its why he went 0 for 32 in 2015. and yea your right i dont like the west (alberta and sask to be specific ) nor  do i respect them tbh they always crying for something. only good thing is kenney looks like he will be gone  and hopefully  ndp gets back power in AB.

Pipelines is a dirty word now, unless it is energy east and all the jobs it would have created, not to mention all the funds we would save not buying Saudi oil, Not sure why you care about vets offices, your not concerned that the liberals have our vets in courts fighting for rights and benefits most Canadians already enjoy...Nah we'll gloss over that.. not to mention it was VETS that did most of the rescuing of afghan vets after Justin failed attempts...

Wonder how many Maritimers would be crying if they cut giving out poggy or welfare checks, Maybe if we stopped taking Ottawa's hand outs we could learn how to live within our means....But that would be the end of all the free hand outs...  

[EastCanada90]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Pipelines is a dirty word now, unless it is energy east and all the jobs it would have created, not to mention all the funds we would save not buying Saudi oil, Not sure why you care about vets offices, your not concerned that the liberals have our vets in courts fighting for rights and benefits most Canadians already enjoy...Nah we'll gloss over that.. not to mention it was VETS that did most of the rescuing of afghan vets after Justin failed attempts...

Wonder how many Maritimers would be crying if they cut giving out poggy or welfare checks, Maybe if we stopped taking Ottawa's hand outs we could learn how to live within our means....But that would be the end of all the free hand outs...  

 

goodluck cutting the poggy.  harper went after it and ended up 0 /32 same would happen to trudeau..

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, EastCanada90 said:

 

goodluck cutting the poggy.  harper went after it and ended up 0 /32 same would happen to trudeau..

The mere mention of cutting pogey seems to have struck a nerve with you. I have never lived in Atlantic Canada so is this your way of admitting the current pogey system is vital to your way of life?

[TreeBeard]

3 hours ago, Faramir said:

Bill C36

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/liberals-introduce-bill-to-combat-online-hate-speech-as-commons-adjourns-for-summer-1.5483260

 

So defining hate speech not just about Muslims. Which most certainly isn’t defined as any criticism.  

[EastCanada90]

18 minutes ago, ironstone said:

The mere mention of cutting pogey seems to have struck a nerve with you. I have never lived in Atlantic Canada so is this your way of admitting the current pogey system is vital to your way of life?

its vital to alot of atlantic canadians  tons of jobs are seasonal.. and they need it.. why would i vote for hurting my own area lol.

Edited September 23, 2021 by EastCanada90

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Which culture should we be protecting?  

But can we prevent the Syrian Muslim Rape Gangs by adding more police? Maybe there’s a way to stop this before it happens and gets as bad as Sweden.

We should be protecting the culture that is based on respect of women and other religions and believe in equal rights for women and religions. Those cultures contradictory to these values must be banned from entry to Canada.

Yes we can. Bring back Capital punishment for rape. 

[ironstone]

14 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So defining hate speech not just about Muslims. Which most certainly isn’t defined as any criticism.  

My concern about C36 and C10 is that it's very broad and also vague. Speech that some may be offended by may soon be considered hate speech. Free speech  doesn't really exist in Canada and now this legislation may put even more limits on what we can say. Stephen Guilbeault has tried before to gain more control over the flow of information. He did want to license the news media at one time which is rather authoritarian.

Heritage minister retreats from licensing all news media | The Post Millennial

Trudeau minister says government WILL regulate online media, AGAIN | The Post Millennial

Your free speech is at risk with Ottawa's push to regulate online content, experts warn | CBC News

[Faramir]

20 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So defining hate speech not just about Muslims. Which most certainly isn’t defined as any criticism.  

Right but there is no way someone hating on Christians is going to end up criminalized.  Still we are suppose to have freedom of opinion and this bill outlaw "nasty" opinion - which of course is in the eye of the beholder.   So yes criticism could very well be viewed as hate, and one could get a criminal record or sanction for just expressing opinion.

[Faramir]

5 hours ago, ironstone said:

My concern about C36 and C10 is that it's very broad and also vague. Speech that some may be offended by may soon be considered hate speech. Free speech  doesn't really exist in Canada and now this legislation may put even more limits on what we can say. Stephen Guilbeault has tried before to gain more control over the flow of information. He did want to license the news media at one time which is rather authoritarian.

Heritage minister retreats from licensing all news media | The Post Millennial

Trudeau minister says government WILL regulate online media, AGAIN | The Post Millennial

Your free speech is at risk with Ottawa's push to regulate online content, experts warn | CBC News

Yes, say something nasty about the left = hate speech.  Stand behind your beliefs that homosexuality is sin = hate speech.  Dislike the religion of Islam = hate speech.  We already saw it used this way when Alberta had a Human RIghts Tribunal

[TreeBeard]

12 minutes ago, Faramir said:

say something nasty about the left = hate speech.  Stand behind your beliefs that homosexuality is sin = hate speech.  Dislike the religion of Islam = hate speech

Can you point to any case of being charged with a hate crime for saying that homosexuality is a sin?

[ironstone]

It's more about what's coming down the pipe, namely the freedom to voice your opinion if it doesn't happen to be popular. Seems a lot of conservatives get blocked/banned already from Youtube, Facebook, Twitter.

Trudeau Liberals' 'censorship czar' will make Canada's internet among 'most censored and surveilled': Advocacy group | The Post Millennial

If you read the above link it does mention $70,000 fines or house arrest. Specifically promoting "detestation or vilification" and yes, "hurtful comments". All courtesy of Justin Trudeau and his Liberal government.

[ironstone]

So this topic is titled Why Canadians re-elected a Liberal government.

Now here is a young Liberal that got elected in Calgary. In fact the only Liberal. A good candidate for a cabinet position they say. A young Liberal and a person of colour, things that make him more appealing to the left.

Oh wait! What's this?

Voter, opponent shocked to see Calgary Liberal MP-elect replace election flyer on security video | CBC News

He certainly has about the same amount of ethics as any typical Liberal. This won't hurt him either.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

So this topic is titled Why Canadians re-elected a Liberal government.

Now here is a young Liberal that got elected in Calgary. In fact the only Liberal. A good candidate for a cabinet position they say. A young Liberal and a person of colour, things that make him more appealing to the left.

Oh wait! What's this?

Voter, opponent shocked to see Calgary Liberal MP-elect replace election flyer on security video | CBC News

He certainly has about the same amount of ethics as any typical Liberal. This won't hurt him either.

If proven he should be charged and his election reversed.

[betsy]

On 9/20/2021 at 11:47 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

A minority Liberal government was elected in 2019 and Canadians have been in hell ever since then. With pandemic starting soon after followed by lockdowns, people losing their jobs and businesses and closures and housing prices through the roof, ballooning Federal budget deficit of close to 500 billion and then health crises as ICUs were filled up by Covid patients and economic crises and then rapidly rising inflation followed by a fourth wave at the end and suddenly the Liberal leader calling an election with all of above asking to re-elect them with a majority!!!!!, say what? So why do you think Canadians re-elected a Liberal government?

I think mainly because the country (the whole world) was in a pandemic and economic crisis and a change of government usually in a crisis is not wise. People are afraid to change governing authorities in a crisis. Second and equally important Trudeau's government did a great job in securing enough vaccines and early for every Canadian who wishes to be vaccinated (better than any other foreign government) so a good majority of eligible voters (about 80%) who took advantage of vaccines were pleased with Liberal government's records on vaccines not to mention significant reductions in new hospitalization and death that followed. Then Liberals promised many extra billions on Health care and unlike Conservatives it was immediate help as the system tries to recover from the shock of pandemic. Many Canadians who took advantage of cerb were grateful to Liberal program at the time of need. Last but not least the manner in which the anti-Trudeau crowd behaved did not help his opponents at all. 

Why?

Scare tactics work! Especially with Covid and what's happening in Alberta.

O'Toole's campaign should've been ready at every dirt thrown at them.  That should've been anticipated! They got snagged with gun issues and evasion hurts.

With a fractured Conservative Party, I think we're in for a very long, continuous Liberal rule. 

Edited September 24, 2021 by betsy

[Michael Hardner]

12 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Can you point to any case of being charged with a hate crime for saying that homosexuality is a sin?

Of course not.

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, ironstone said:

 Seems a lot of conservatives get blocked/banned already from Youtube, Facebook, Twitter.

Your concerns are valid, but as you say we are also allocating free speech decisions to private big tech firms.

Which option do we want?

I don't want government to mandate speech to the nth degree but disinformation is an existential threat now.

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

If proven he should be charged and his election reversed.

Oh come on, they didn't even do that for the robocall scandal...

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, betsy said:

 

Scare tactics work! Especially with Covid and what's happening in Alberta.

 

Explain?