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Enough is enough. Ban protests outside hospitals.


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18 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

you have?  I remember you saying “we have to look within ourselves” or some such….  That sounds more like subjective opinion than the truth, doesn’t it?

you are capable of determining the objective truth for yourself

you seem to be under the impression that we should all be made to agree

if God wanted us all to agree

we would all agree

God would rather we have free will

and use our consciousness to determine that for ourselves

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27 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Health care workers and patients don't get obstructed or hassled.

there are laws against the obstruction already

so how does banning the protests prevent that anymore than the current laws already do?

you are proposing a new law that is redundant while restricting free speech to accomplish a goal that has already been accomplished

that doesn't make any sense

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7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

so how does banning the protests prevent that anymore than the current laws already do?

Protests aren't banned; the location where a protest is held is being restricted.   

7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you are proposing a new law that is redundant while restricting free speech to accomplish

"Free speech" isn't being restricted; they can protest elsewhere that is not outside a hospital and has no chance of obstructing someone else's right to access medical care without hindrance.

7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

that doesn't make any sense

It will continue to not make sense to you as long as you pretend "protests are being banned", and insisting that anyone has the right to say anything they want, anywhere they want, any time they want.   Perhaps you should go to an airport and talk about bombing planes as you go through security; when you are detained, you can bleat about how your right to 'free speech' is being attacked.  

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On 9/29/2021 at 6:20 PM, blackbird said:

The police were operating under a court injunction to remove protesters.  The protesters are breaking the law by still being there and doing all the things they are doing.  If some protesters have a belief their rights are being violated, they can hire a lawyer and take it to court.  But the protesters are acting from an illegal position to begin with because they are breaking the law in doing what they are doing there.  I don't believe it is this judge's job to interfere and allow the protesters to continue blocking the road.

And if Pontius Pilate were here, today, he would agree.

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11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

there are laws against the obstruction already

so how does banning the protests prevent that anymore than the current laws already do?

you are proposing a new law that is redundant while restricting free speech to accomplish a goal that has already been accomplished

that doesn't make any sense

To enforce a law against obstruction, someone has to have already been obstructed. Meaning someone has attempted to deny a person access to a hospital. It makes perfect sense.

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18 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Quebec is always ahead of rest of Canada. Quebec has banned protests outside hospitals. The rest of country must follow and do the same as soon as possible.

I agree here, they should be targeting the right audience like city hall, or provincial government , shit take it to Ottawa... 

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6 hours ago, Aristides said:

To enforce a law against obstruction, someone has to have already been obstructed. Meaning someone has attempted to deny a person access to a hospital. It makes perfect sense.

in order to enforce a law against protests outside of hospitals, a protest has to form outside of hospitals,  which could obstruct access to hospitals

it makes no sense, people can break the new law just like they broke the old law, you prevented nothing

all you did was restrict speech with zero benefit whatsoever, good job

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5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

in order to enforce a law against protests outside of hospitals, a protest has to form outside of hospitals,  which could obstruct access to hospitals

it makes no sense, people can break the new law just like they broke the old law, you prevented nothing

all you did was restrict speech with zero benefit whatsoever, good job

Just like all the other laws.  Can someone be arrested for stealing if they haven't stolen anything?  Can someone be arrested for murder if they haven't killed anyone?  

Sure people can break any laws, doesn't mean they always walk away free. 

If anything breaking this law attracts a lot of attention.

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40 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You disagree with vaccinations in general, or just COVID vaccinations?

I was Military , had every shot known to man and then some, I had no say, get the shot or get out of the military. so i don't have anything against the shot per say what i don't agree with is not having the choice, with out so many restrictions.

i have been force to take experimental drugs (mefloquine) before and it had consequences for many people. It was also approved by our health system and deemed safe.

Plus the government does not have a good track record when making decisions within this pandemic...and neither did our health services. so there is room there for lots of doubt.

Our premier just announce NO thanks giving with friends or family outside your bubble, so starting friday everything is shut down, but reopened on Monday, they must think we are stupid or something, most people will celebrate next weekend...so once again a policy not well thought out.

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10 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Just like all the other laws.  Can someone be arrested for stealing if they haven't stolen anything?  Can someone be arrested for murder if they haven't killed anyone?  

Sure people can break any laws, doesn't mean they always walk away free. 

If anything breaking this law attracts a lot of attention.

the law against preventing access to hospitals covers the only utility that banning protests outside of hospitals would provide

so you literally don't have any reason to support such a law, other than

just wanting to crackdown on opinions you don't like because they protest at a location you wish they didn't protest at

nowhere near a good enough justification to restrict speech

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7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

with out so many restrictions.

So your objection is with the vaccine “passports”?

8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Plus the government does not have a good track record when making decisions within this pandemic...and neither did our health services. so there is room there for lots of doubt.

So you doubt that vaccines actually are effective?  Do you think they are more effective than not getting a vaccine?

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9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So your objection is with the vaccine “passports”?

So you doubt that vaccines actually are effective?  Do you think they are more effective than not getting a vaccine?

How effective are vaccine passports to start with, they can easily reproduced, or faked,  and just how much time do you think some teenager in a restaurant is spending vetting them ? So if they are not very effective why have them....it is a poor plan with many holes in it...once again rushed...

I'm not a specialist in that department...so i can not really say, Niether can you,  but your not suggesting that the approval agency are 100 % effective or have not made any mistake before...like i said i have taken bad medication before that was approved by the same people, and lots of my comrades had very adverse effects...this vaccine was rushed into service, but some how they can't push other life saving drugs through at the same pace....so did they miss something in the rush, nobody knows, you want them to take it on faith...because you did..

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31 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the law against preventing access to hospitals covers the only utility that banning protests outside of hospitals would provide

so you literally don't have any reason to support such a law, other than

just wanting to crackdown on opinions you don't like because they protest at a location you wish they didn't protest at

nowhere near a good enough justification to restrict speech

So your OK with the Rail protest by indigenous people last year, or the peace niks in BC blocking logging facilities from doing business.. I don't think anyone should have the right to prevent someone from making a living or blocking access to a medical facility, let alone any facility you have a right to protest but not to interfere with anyone else...

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40 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the law against preventing access to hospitals covers the only utility that banning protests outside of hospitals would provide

so you literally don't have any reason to support such a law, other than

just wanting to crackdown on opinions you don't like because they protest at a location you wish they didn't protest at

nowhere near a good enough justification to restrict speech

Its because they are blocking access to hospitals, not their opinions.  If they are trying to get a message across denying people the right to health care is the wrong way to do it.  

 

My right to life is way more important than your right to free speech.  

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8 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

How effective are vaccine passports to start with, they can easily reproduced, or faked,  and just how much time do you think some teenager in a restaurant is spending vetting them ? So if they are not very effective why have them....it is a poor plan with many holes in it...once again rushed...

Some jurisdictions (Alberta) seem to fall into that category.  Not sure all do though.  If they were more effective at restricting the unvaccinated from going to a gym or out for dinner, would you then be in favour?  

Is that kind of letting perfection be the enemy of the good?  

We have teenagers check ID for booze.  These can also be faked.  Should we drop that restriction if it’s not perfect?

11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

you want them to take it on faith...because you did..

Faith?  No.  Isn’t there evidence for their safety and efficacy?  If you can’t trust medical experts on these vaccines, why would you ever trust them to give you an x-ray?  Or other vaccines?  Can you even trust them to mend your broken arm?  What’s in that freezing they’re putting in the break?  Should I just get a couple sticks and duct tape because I need faith that they won’t kill me with that needle of numbing agent?  

Is that letting perfection be the enemy of the good once again? 

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Here in NB i have a photo copy of my record... some white out and a photo copier and poof vaccine passport...And it's not so much as the restrictions you listed, because really, i make my own gym make one, we did it while on tour, imagination is your friend , going out to dinner, when i can have it all delivered to my house party...The stupid ones where can't go fishing at all, or 4 wheeling, or hunting, or lots of other activities you could do be yourself, or with a family member.

I have already said with choices come restrictions. If you work from home then great, but if you don't then you have another choice to make... But some of the restrictions are well not well thought out... 

You mean a 19 year old which in most provinces we have determined that to be an adult that happens at 16, but to drink you need to be 19 like being 20 somehow makes you able to think like an adult...Germany you can drink at 14 years old, they have certain hours that each age group has to leave a drinking establishment, their bar tenders still have the right to cut anyone off at anytime, along with the bouncers, and doormen. It seems to work for them... You can join the army at 17 fight for your country at 18 but can't be trusted to drink a beer...so ya i think your example is not a good one. But i get your point their are going to be restrictions regardless of age...like driving etc... 

You mean much like mefloquine, ya lots of evidence for that one too and i'm sure i can find more, like polio vaccination and pregnant women  etc...... then there is this to be considered, 28,000 Canadians dies each year from medical mistakes, so sorry i do not put blind faith into the medical world. and like anyone i always get a second opinion on most things serious. and for the most part i do believe in their advice and their intentions that they are trying to help me...And everyone does have a choice right, you could self aid or go to the hospital right..

 

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n Canada, medical errors account for 28,000 deaths yearly, according to the Canadian Patient Safety Institute which campaigns to reduce that number. Errors are said to be the third leading cause of death in Canada after cancer and heart disease, and every minute and 18 seconds someone is injured from unintended harm. 

Thousands die from medical errors yearly, notes advocacy group – RCI | English (rcinet.ca)

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