Enough is enough. Ban protests outside hospitals.

[myata]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Moan, moan, moan, bitch, bitch, bitch. What do you propose to do about the situation today? Now? Even if you can conjure up dozens of more ICU beds, who are you going to get to look after them? It takes almost a decade to train a doctor and RN is a four year science degree. I'm not interest in your bitching because it doesn't do anything to cope with our present situation. The only thing that will is getting as many people vaccinated as possible.

Begin with firing those who got into this state, in decades of "fixing it for a generation"? That's to begin with, next advice at the expert" rate or at least reasonable. I've no interest in "we have to eat this cr..p but enthusiastically and cheerfully just because we have nothing else" either.

Those who have no clue will always have some new glorious goal to march to (travel from Wuhan, just stay home, holy mask etc) and if it fails again oops, now all go there. They think that that's what generous and maybe outrageous benefits and entitlements are for, to proclaim and appeal, to lead the mindless herd, not produce results. That much is very clear already. No point in repeating the experience hoping for a different outcome. Vaccines are a gift but in a dimwit's hands even a teaspoon can be dangerous.

Edited September 17, 2021 by myata

[OftenWrong]

6 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

Actually I do think they are selfish and an insult to the majority of their fellow workers who are vaccinated. Them winding up in ICU themselves will be an extra burden on those fellow workers who were more responsible as well as an extra burden on the system they work for.

No, they dont get infected themselves. Very rarely, because they know how to do the work. Vaccines are not a requirement to so the work safely.

[myata]

28 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

No, they dont get infected themselves. Very rarely, because they know how to do the work. Vaccines are not a requirement to so the work safely.

How can you help to those who are deliberately blind and deaf, by choice and desire?

1. Vaccinated can be infected and transmit the infection.

2. Non vaccinated can be diligent and careful and avoid the infection with high confidence. In addition, they may have have recovered or were in an earlier contact with it, and have as strong protection against it, as from vaccine.

Both are confirmed facts, impossible to deny. But does it affect the muzak and the march in any way?

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

No, they dont get infected themselves. Very rarely, because they know how to do the work. Vaccines are not a requirement to so the work safely.

Too bad the 95,000 health care workers in Canada who've gotten sick and the 43 who died didn't know that!  If only OW had been there to advise them how to wear masks properly (or not wear them at all), how to wash their hands properly, how far to distance themselves to avoid getting sick!    

[Boges]

16 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

filling isn't filled

all these claims that they will run out of ICU beds

never materialize

how many times does the boy get to cry wolf before you catch on to the ruse?

it is classic click bait fearmongering

to push a ridiculous authoritarian freedom hating agenda

They're begging other provinces to send out patients. 

Just like Ontario and Manitoba did earlier this year during Wave 3. 

 

[Boges]

14 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Yes, apparently the variant has hit Alberta in a way that starts to be significant. Just as it did in Ontario recently, in the UK some time earlier and in Israel some time before that. I expect things to progress as we've seen before there.

 

Yes, and it will get better. Eventually, likely due to a Lockdown if things get much worse. 

They're starting with a Vaccine passport. Many have died because Kenney delayed what other Provinces have already accomplished. 

Apparently Saskatchewan is too. 

[Yzermandius19]

16 minutes ago, Boges said:

They're begging other provinces to send out patients. 

Just like Ontario and Manitoba did earlier this year during Wave 3. 

which is very far from the doomsday that they are pretending it is

ZOMG patients are being moved

whoop dee doo

Edited September 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[dialamah]

16 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

 

ZOMG patients are being moved

whoop dee doo

Pretty heartless, dismissing the stress for the patients, their families and the medical staff who have to deal with this.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Pretty heartless, dismissing the stress for the patients, their families and the medical staff who have to deal with this.

I ain't dismissing it

it's just not the end of the world that y'all are pretending it is to justify authoritarian measures that strip people you don't like of their rights

what is heartless is invoking sob stories to take away people's rights

Edited September 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[dialamah]

8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I ain't dismissing it

it's just not the end of the world that y'all are pretending it is to justify authoritarian measures that strip people you don't like of their rights

what is heartless is invoking sob stories to take away people's rights

Yeah, who cares whose inconvenienced/gets sick/dies as long as you don't have to lift a finger to help out.  Good on ya, standing up for your right to be a selfish pr*ck.

[myata]

It was predicted for two decades that an epidemics like this is coming. What has been done? Where have the billions evaporated, like most recently "rapid Covid response fund"? And now of course the show. Hands strung in the air, tears in honest eyes, aiiii! myyyy! drums, fanfare not to worry, just keep marching and don't you worry where we know as always. How familiar, and the same heartwarming pathetically clueless honesty. Sure the populace can be entertained and even buy in sometimes but what about the virus, climate change and other such problems? Will they heed and make a concession for honest simplicity? (with a fancy cottage on a fancy lake though and no contradiction why!) Maybe they will and why shouldn't we hope?

[Boges]

50 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

which is very far from the doomsday that they are pretending it is

ZOMG patients are being moved

whoop dee doo

Yeah a full ICU is nothing to be concerned about. 

Don't get a Heart Attack in Alberta this weekend. 

[Aristides]

8 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

hence why support taking away their rights for a false sense of security

it's all about revenge for not behaving the way you want them to

you think that is grounds to treat them like scum, all while you claim false moral high ground

No one is taking away your rights. You want to make choices without being responsible for the consequences of those choices or their consequences for others. Grow up, life doesn't work that way. 

 

Society has to respect your right to make choices but it sure as hell doesn't have to cater to them.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/emergency-covid-triage-alberta-1.6178253

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-alberta-covid-reaction-1.6179099

Edited September 17, 2021 by Aristides

[myata]

When restrictions are imposed by the state on citizens, especially general and indiscriminate, they have to be: reasonable and proportional to the problem; justifiable; produced in a due process; have a mechanism of oversight and if necessary, allowing to overturn.

None of this exists. A link, a scary story is not a proof or justification. Excusing unproven restrictions by shortcomings of the system is not a valid justification. This is very clearly already gross overstepping of democratic principles and the scariest thing is that it can very well be indefinite. Vaccinations did not stop this wave. Will they stop the next one?

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

When restrictions are imposed by the state on citizens, especially general and indiscriminate, they have to be: reasonable and proportional to the problem; justifiable; produced in a due process; have a mechanism of oversight and if necessary, allowing to overturn.

None of this exists. A link, a scary story is not a proof or justification. Excusing unproven restrictions by shortcomings of the system is not a valid justification. This is very clearly already gross overstepping of democratic principles and the scariest thing is that it can very well be indefinite. Vaccinations did not stop this wave. Will they stop the next one?

Good thing you aren't in charge of anything. 

[marcus]

17 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Monoclonal antibody treatment is what cured Trump. Also Desantis.

Both Trump and Desantis are vaccinated. If it's okay for them to get it, why is it not okay for their supporters?

[myata]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Good thing you aren't in charge of anything. 

Not a good thing that you don't understand the need for checks and oversight on those who are in charge of everything always, every day without excuses and conditions. It was a hard lesson to learn, but looks like easily forgotten and just on a whim. Not to worry. Evolution is always here to remind, and if hard is the only way it works surely it would oblige.

Edited September 17, 2021 by myata

[Boges]

Just now, myata said:

Not a good thing that you don't understand the need for checks and oversight on those who are in charge of everything always. It was a hard lesson to learn but looks like easily forgotten and just on a whim. Not to worry. Evolution is always here to remind, and if hard is the only way it works surely it would oblige.

What's a hard lesson to learn is that every time we try to re-open too fast, ICUs get overwhelmed and the Healthcare system suffers. 

Seems all Provincial governments are on the Vax Pass train now. Some had to be dragged along. 

[myata]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Seems all Provincial governments are on the Vax Pass train now. Some had to be dragged along. 

Is it the first such pass, starting with travel from Wuhan two decades after SARS? Would it be any different, why like what changed? If the brain and reason couldn't work, hard is the only way that remains, hope won't be any surprise. Bandwagon marching rarely worked as a good alternative of competence, intelligence and skill. Keep marching.

[myata]

Almost exactly a year ago it was the same orchestra playing masking, masking just do masking! Ok masking. Sure mandatory how else? Then, all time highs with waves two and three, with full masking. You can't or wouldn't think ahead even having stumbled on it once, twice who knows how many times. With 80% plus exceptions vaccinated, in three, four, five months 95+ with exceptions, comes wave 5 where the hands will be waved, tears dropped and who to blame? The chief problem with a dimwit that it just wouldn't learn whatever happens, whichever way. It's just programmed this way.

Edited September 17, 2021 by myata

[Aristides]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

Almost exactly a year ago it was the same orchestra playing masking, masking just do masking! Ok masking. Sure mandatory how else? Then, all time highs with waves two and three. You can't or wouldn't think ahead even having stumbled on it once, twice who knows how many times. With 80% plus exceptions vaccinated, in three, four, five months 95+ with exceptions, comes wave 5 where the hands will be waved, tears dropped and who to blame? The chief problem with a dimwit that it just wouldn't learn whatever happens, whichever way. It's just programmed this way.

Stop calling yourself a dimwit.

[Infidel Dog]

I see you guys throwing the term "BS" around this morning. You're right there is a lot of it. Seeing as I'm 3 hours behind where most of it comes from I just woke up so haven't been able to deal with it. 

Like I said there's a lot to go through, but let's begin. I'll start with this one...

  

16 hours ago, dialamah said:

"THIS ONE THING WILL MAKE YOU LIVE FOREVER/GET RICH/FIND LOVE" ... seen on any number of clickbait headlines on social media, all selling some version of snake oil.  I never click on them, and ain't gonna click on yours either.  

OK, so what she's talking about is an article that tells us of the success places like Florida have been having with the therapeutic, monoclonal antibodies, and how the Biden regime has reacted by hording the treatment so they can decide who gets it when.

These two claims are supportable fact, but I can see Lady Di typing away with a big smug smile on her face so proud of her choice to remain ignorant of the facts.

Hang on, I'll find the next one.

[myata]

33 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Stop calling yourself a dimwit.

It wasn't addressed to anybody specifically, but some of us have good hunch. Of course, there's no need of guessing, the act speaks for itself right from "travel from Wuhan". Seriously, two decades after SARS with the highest toll in the developed world a new unknown and potentially dangerous virus from China and what could go wrong? Exsperts thought long and hard and decided that nothing.

Edited September 17, 2021 by myata

[Infidel Dog]

4 hours ago, Boges said:

Yes, and it will get better. Eventually, likely due to a Lockdown if things get much worse. 

They're starting with a Vaccine passport. Many have died because Kenney delayed what other Provinces have already accomplished. 

Apparently Saskatchewan is too. 

"Many have died?" In Alberta you mean? As a result of this week's Delta Variant wave, right? The latest report on deaths I could find was this one:

"

COVID-related deaths continue to rise in Alberta, as the province reported 24 more people have died from the virus.

Wednesday’s update comes close to the record number of deaths recorded, which was 31 on Jan. 8."

So yeah the variant is causing a recent wave in cases and out of that a rise in deaths. Not a record yet though.

So with that clarified let's get to the outright BS. Lockdowns don't work. I've posted the studies and can find them again if you like.

There's no reason to believe Vaccine Passports will work. Not even the great Tam can give you much hope with that one.

Quote

Canada’s chief public health officer Theresa Tam admits that there is no evidence vaccine passports work. 

https://tnc.news/2021/09/15/theresa-tam-admits-there-is-no-evidence-vaccine-passports-work/

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

Both Trump and Desantis are vaccinated. If it's okay for them to get it, why is it not okay for their supporters?

Read the news, Bud. DeSantis bought out as many doses as were available during the Florida peak of the Delta wave and made monoclonal antibody treatments available to Floridians. Deaths have been plummeting ever since. 

The Biden regime started to worry they were going to lose control of the narrative. They bought out the remaining stock so they can control who gets what.

As to Trump he said from the moment he stepped out of the hospital he wanted to make the treatment he received available to all Americans. That was towards the end of his last term though. He ran out of time.