CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 7, 2021 Report Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) The kind of scenes we witnessed over the past few days is very alarming as it is a danger to our democracy. There are widespread reports of groups of apparently anti-vaxer mob harassing health care workers, at least one health care worker being assaulted, surrounding hospitals and blocking access to sick people to get medical care. At other protest gatherings some wearing PPC (People's Party of Canada) T shirts disrupting election rallies by Liberal leader, Justin Trudeau, our elected Prime Minister and at least one protester throwing gravel at him and endangering the volunteers and news media reporters who are trying to do their very important job in a democracy. Harassing and Intimidating a party leader and his team during election rallies and preventing him to speak and convey his platform is an assault on democracy. There are reports of racist slurs by likely small number of angry protesters. There are unconfirmed reports or allegations that these may have been organized and finance by certain extreme right groups or elements who wish to disturb or destroy democracy in Canada, Reader beware and stand on guard on this. Is this the Canada you wish to live in? It is not about any political party or who is blue or orange or red but it is about Canada. We may have our differences on how Canada should be run or who should run it but we are united that our democratic system is very dear to us and we must not allow it to be disturbed. Edited September 7, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 7, 2021 Report Share Posted September 7, 2021 The democracy in this country is indeed in danger - only from party-corporations, accountable to nobody using pandemic scare to achieve political goals and extend and strengthen grip on the power. And these are very much confirmed facts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted September 7, 2021 Report Share Posted September 7, 2021 Thanks to our great leaders style of governing. And calling this stupid election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 (edited) Obviously hurling gravel and insults isn’t right. It does speak to the tone deafness of the authorities, however, that people feel so desperate, ignored, and vilified that they’re resorting to inexcusable tactics. I think that it’s the same forces that caused the BLM protests: alienation, poverty, poor health, and restrictions on communities that were already pressure cookers. Edited September 8, 2021 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 Well yeah same kind of inexcusable when you do sh..t and all of a sudden it's flying back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galloway Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 4 hours ago, myata said: The democracy in this country is indeed in danger - only from party-corporations, accountable to nobody using pandemic scare to achieve political goals and extend and strengthen grip on the power. And these are very much confirmed facts. It sounds like you've been listening to too much FOX News, OAN, Newsmax, and The My Pillow guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galloway Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Obviously hurling gravel and insults isn’t right. It does speak to the tone deafness of the authorities, however, that people feel so desperate, ignored, and vilified that they’re resorting to inexcusable tactics. I think that it’s the same forces that caused the BLM protests: alienation, poverty, poor health, and restrictions on communities that were already pressure cookers. From what I've observed the "desperate" people are mostly well off conservatives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted September 8, 2021 Report Share Posted September 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Galloway said: From what I've observed the "desperate" people are mostly well off conservatives. Oh no not another anarcho-Marxist. That’s what we produce now, guys who stand around flaming garbage cans on pogey and rail against the people who actually work and make the things we need. Canada is too far left. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2021 A few conspiracy advocates on this forum presented a theory that either it was all lies or they were Liberal supporters or paid agents who carried out the act but Former PPC London riding president arrested for Trudeau gravel-throwing incident https://globalnews.ca/news/8183500/shane-marshall-arrested-gravel-trudeau/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 12, 2021 Report Share Posted September 12, 2021 This will not hurt the PPC standing in the riding, as their supporters enjoy this sort of thing. They're not civic-minded people, they're tribal Warriors who will support anything the clown show does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: This will not hurt the PPC standing in the riding, as their supporters enjoy this sort of thing. They're not civic-minded people, they're tribal Warriors who will support anything the clown show does. no it doesn't hurt their standing in the riding because what some protesters do has nothing to do with the party you are the one buying into guilt by association tribal thinking, not PPC supporters Edited September 13, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: you are the one buying into guilt by association tribal thinking, not PPC supporters ? This was a riding executive. You don't think that says something about PPC members? Guilt by association? You also tried to blame wokism on a guy who died in 1937! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: ? This was a riding executive. You don't think that says something about PPC members? Guilt by association? You also tried to blame wokism on a guy who died in 1937! ? read what Gramsci wrote and you will see that the woke and many other leftists adopted his plan wholesale riding executive, schmiding executive, it means nothing, not indicative of the party at all Gramsci is indicative of the woke though you can't name anything racist about this riding executive that is indicative of the PPC if a couple PPC supporters are racist, that hardly means the whole party is riding executive is racist riding executive is PPC therefore PPC is racist that is an obvious logical fallacy just as Hitler drank water you drink water too therefore you are Hitler is an obvious logical fallacy Edited September 13, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: if a couple PPC supporters are racist, that hardly means the whole party is Yeah, but there are limits to this. And that includes somebody in 1937 who read Marx being named as instrumental to wokism. You are not a Marxist, but your propaganda methods are Soviet indeed. Enjoy your day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Yeah, but there are limits to this. And that includes somebody in 1937 who read Marx being named as instrumental to wokism. that's a stupid limit seeing as it's the same ideology and strategy for infiltrating the very same institutions that the woke lifted from that very somebody time passing is irrelevant, the influence is obvious af you just want that limit, because you don't want to admit you are wrong, so you'll for anything to nitpick to keep your cognitive dissonance going Edited September 13, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: time passing is irrelevant, the influence is obvious af Only to those who don't understand the philosophies. 'Somebody taking advantage of somebody' isn't a philosophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Only to those who don't understand the philosophies. 'Somebody taking advantage of somebody' isn't a philosophy no those who understand the philosophies don't pretend one didn't clearly influence the other stating otherwise is an obvious sign you don't understand either philosophy well at all Edited September 13, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 I don't understand why you would protest a hospital because you're anti-vax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: I don't understand why you would protest a hospital because you're anti-vax. it's just a location that draws attention to the protest who is protesting a hospital? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: it's just a location that draws attention to the protest who is protesting a hospital? Well either way it doesn't make sense. They should go somewhere political, like city hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Well either way it doesn't make sense. They should go somewhere political, like city hall. that's their choice, not yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: 1) those who understand the philosophies don't pretend one didn't clearly influence the other Sorry, maybe I should step back at this point. Maybe we're both being a little too loose here. I didn't read this carefully, but I had responded to the other thread first where you said they are hegelian. Here you saying there's influence. Well of course there's influence, just as can't influenced all of them just as Aristotle influenced everybody. It's not useful to say Hegel influenced marks who influenced critical theory who influenced the post-modernists who influence the woke. If you erase Marxism those other things still exist. I'm not a fan of equating these things as a way of demonizing orcasm. We'll give some can be critiqued on its own. As can marchism. But as I've admitted I only am a passing tourist when it comes to philosophy. If you really know what you're talking about, please don't fake us out but post some true thoughts rather than just high level statements. I'm fine to admit that I don't know the stuff very well, but it also means I can be hoodwinked by someone if I'm not careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 As bad as some of these protesters may be I don't think they're as bad as Antifa and BLM just yet. And if they do sink down to that level then I hope the law comes down hard on them. I don't like them blocking access to hospitals any more than I like environmentalists blocking pipelines or traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: that's their choice, not yours I'm fine with it as long as they aren't harassing people or blocking emergency vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 This election will tell us one thing quite certainly: whether the country has moved past and beyond democracy, in essence if not yet the form. If and when the authority has no responsibility nor accountability, democracy is gone. Decorations don't matter if the core is gone and empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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