Covid exit strategy

[RedDog]

Face masks are back in Edmonton until year end. They’ve always been mandatory on transit but are ignored by many. I see violence looming.

[myata]

A policy, especially population-wide and in some cases, mandatory, works best when it's understood and trusted to be meaningful and effective. Right here there are some real problems, and doesn't look like anybody is interested to notice them. Looks like everybody just wants to assume or pretend that along with the mandates they write (on paper) they also have the one for unconditional and unquestioned trust without even attempt of an honest and meaningful explanation.

Edited September 5, 2021 by myata

[OftenWrong]

20 hours ago, myata said:

Looks like everybody just wants to assume or pretend that along with the mandates they write (on paper) they also have the one for unconditional and unquestioned trust without even attempt of an honest and meaningful explanation.

They are in for a rude awakening. Unfortunately this is not over, far from it. The proof is right here-

Israel was down to a handful of daily COVID cases. Now it's around 11,000. What happened?
CBC News · Posted: Sep 01, 2021
While Israel often topped the list by Oxford University-based Our World in Data of population vaccinated, now it's leading in another category: It has the world's highest seven-day rolling average of new daily coronavirus cases per million people.

The vaccine is unsuccessful in Israel. They have the highest infections per capita in the entire world, and it is higher than any of the previous waves in Israel. They are now mandating a third shot, taking themselves on a road to nowhere.

The rush to mandate unproven vaccines and open is yet another mistake by the government.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

They are in for a rude awakening. Unfortunately this is not over, far from it. The proof is right here-

Israel was down to a handful of daily COVID cases. Now it's around 11,000. What happened?
CBC News · Posted: Sep 01, 2021
While Israel often topped the list by Oxford University-based Our World in Data of population vaccinated, now it's leading in another category: It has the world's highest seven-day rolling average of new daily coronavirus cases per million people.

The vaccine is unsuccessful in Israel. They have the highest infections per capita in the entire world, and it is higher than any of the previous waves in Israel. They are now mandating a third shot, taking themselves on a road to nowhere.

The rush to mandate unproven vaccines and open is yet another mistake by the government.

Again though, cases are meaningless if symptoms are mild.  If almost everyone gets the virus and can fight it, with the best available treatments for those who have the most severe cases, then that’s the end of the pandemic.  Vaccines help keep symptoms mild.  PPE and distancing are added protection for the vulnerable.  That’s as much as we can reasonably expect.  Once these vaccine mandates and passports have had their sway, there’s nothing more we can add.  Treatments and boosters for those who want them are all that we can do now.  Lift all restrictions and move to personal responsibility.  Sure, we can postpone this move indefinitely to meet some impossible goal of percentage of vaccinated people until social tensions reach their boiling point, but I doubt it will help in any meaningful way.  It will likely make things worse.  Between vaccinations and viral spread, the vast majority of the vulnerable population have good protection and a small proportion of our acute care beds are occupied by Covid patients.   It’s time to transition to non-restricted life.  The fact that governments haven’t provided any timelines for this is very concerning.  There will always be the possibility of new variants.  We can try to cover these off annually with new boosters.  That’s it.  We can’t nor should we try to maintain restrictions unless we’re given an end date in the near future.  No clear date?  Lift all restrictions immediately.

[myata]

The problems with propaganda marching to instant panacea strategy:

1. "Cry wolf" effect. It plays into population's expectations but in case of multiple failures, it can be completely disoriented and wouldn't trust anything.

2. Creates unreasonable expectations and false sense of security.

3. Creates unreasonable expectations for the future instead of focusing on finding working solutions now.

4. Distracts from looking for and developing working solutions now to propaganda drumming and meaningless rituals.

[taxme]

On 9/3/2021 at 5:55 AM, myata said:

Well, what else can you get for two centuries or so benevolent ruling without slightest of checks and accountability? "We think so you are".

"Avoid non-essential travel till further notice". "Welcome fully vaccinated tourists from around the world". In one sentence, and from the same mouth. Is it fait accompli, already? Have we arrived?

It's not at all about the science anymore and never has been. It has all just been about politics and how far our lying politicians will go to try and keep this plandemic hoax bullshit going. They want to take away our god given freedoms and rights from we the people. these morons we call politicians do not work for you and me. They work for the the big pharma globalists and special minority communist interest groups who are trying to turn Canada into a communist country. Believe it or not. ?

[taxme]

6 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

They are in for a rude awakening. Unfortunately this is not over, far from it. The proof is right here-

Israel was down to a handful of daily COVID cases. Now it's around 11,000. What happened?
CBC News · Posted: Sep 01, 2021
While Israel often topped the list by Oxford University-based Our World in Data of population vaccinated, now it's leading in another category: It has the world's highest seven-day rolling average of new daily coronavirus cases per million people.

The vaccine is unsuccessful in Israel. They have the highest infections per capita in the entire world, and it is higher than any of the previous waves in Israel. They are now mandating a third shot, taking themselves on a road to nowhere.

The rush to mandate unproven vaccines and open is yet another mistake by the government.

It would appear as though the rush is on to maim and kill as many people in the world as possible with an experimental vaccine. This is why I am so contented and quite happy to just sit back and watch all of those fools and suckers who took their vaccine jabs. And those same fools and suckers will no doubt be ready to take their booster jabs. once a dunce, always a dunce. ?

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Again though, cases are meaningless if symptoms are mild.

Point is that forcing people to take the vaccine even when it shows it's not effective is an issue. This mismanagement has created a longer-lasting pandemic. We should have encouraged more people to obtain natural immunity. Instead we prolonged this pandemic and the shit is spreading even worse than before, so we are now playing Russian roulette with our immunity in the creation of new variants.

There was already evidence that these mRNA drugs do not produce long-lasting benefits before this outbreak. Couple that with what was known during SARS-1: Corona mutates quickly and it was believed that no effective vaccine would be possible. I guess that is the case, but we are not listening to people who know about these things. Then you got the internet shit-show making it impossible to figure anything out.

 

[Zeitgeist]

If the vast majority of the population is fit and/or vaccinated, then they’re best positioned to fight a virus that must ultimately spread throughout the population to become endemic.  Before the vaccine we tried to slow the spread so that hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed and were best positioned to treat those hardest hit.  The difference today is that most of the people who were vulnerable and likely to require hospitalization if they got the virus are vaccinated, the virus has spread further through the population, hospitals are relatively calm, and Covid treatments have improved.  Restrictions should go.  I would say that the big missing piece in the public information campaigns is promoting fitness.  Good diet, active lifestyle, and good stress management are at least as important as vaccination in my opinion.

[myata]

Two serious problems with universal and mandatory or strongly incentivized immunization are, what to do when the protection will begin waning (at it will begin at some and not so distant point) and how it will affect population's immunity in the longer perspective. The initial problem was not that there's a very dangerous, and universally dangerous disease. Rather there's a significant group, up to 20-25% of population for whom it can be very dangerous, and the rest needs to be somewhat careful, consistently and in the right way. And this is, quite clearly, not a king of problem that can be treated successfully with a point blank, one shot, simple and universal solution. Even mass immunization, according to the movies.

So ones it became clear that it's not going to remove the problem, as worked for some diseases but not for flu or common cold, the time is to apply reason and intelligence. It needs to be studied and confirmed that vaccines indeed provide strong protection to the vulnerable groups. To them further vaccination can be given as and when needed to continue the protection for as long as needed. Some professions and/or work areas as well, not a bandwagon though. For everyone else, it should be optional. We should stop aiming for continued high level of universal immunization indefinitely, likely it wouldn't work and still can be dangerous due to possible long term immunity effects. The next point of emphasis is the best treatment as and when needed. And the last one, clear and consistent information and additional measures of protection that do not unnecessarily constrain the society. Intelligent approach or blind panacea marching, these are clearly different strategies and rapidly diverging strategies leading to quite different outcomes.

[myata]

Would anyone recall that movie, V for Vendetta? Remember, vote for me and I'll keep you safe? (now can you please bring it, the heat that is, a bit higher, that should be good thank-you) Now you know who will keep you safe.

Trudeau ratches up talk on mandatory vaccinatons....

Don't know why did it come to me, and of cause no parallels with the world's best democracy Canadians making their choice in a pandemic election. Just in case anyone wanted to remember how went the story.