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23 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What rights have you lost?

Or memory loss, can it be a side effect? Don't go here, just stay there! put this on maybe please, just put it on! vaccinate please just get the shot! ..

I just hope it does not end with just line up here for your next mandatory shot, or face isolation for higher risk elements. Why, there have been known precedents.

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On 8/31/2021 at 7:06 PM, Aristides said:

 

Like what? Where are you going to get people from when every other health system is under the same kind of stress?

The chinese have more experience dealing with outbreaks as a society than the rest of the world.

When this all started, first thing they did was build new covid treatment facilities. They built huge facilities to house thousands of covid patients in mere days.

Even if they are shit buildings, doesnt matter. They need to serve an emergency function right now.

I do not admire the chinese. A good idea is what it is.

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On 8/30/2021 at 3:21 PM, OftenWrong said:

Creepy how the thing is a QR code, a symbol which ordinary humans cannot read. Only computers know what it means, with “machine vision”.

When you go into the store, the eye looks at you. Like the eye of Sauron. (Soros)

We need to get our hands on that ring that the Sauron/Soros globalists use to keep trying to keep us hobbits as their slaves, and throw that ring into the volcano of fire to be melted down and gone forever. We just have to now try and find that ring. LOL. 

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On 8/30/2021 at 5:09 PM, Aristides said:

So why have hospitalizations tripled since July?

Because the lying politicians have now made it appear as the the covid stats are rising when they are not really rising at all. The PCR tests that they keep using are unreliable. They just adjust and raise the cycle threshold higher for the PCR test, and voila, more covid victims. The hospitals are pretty much empty of victims of covid. It's just more lying on top of more lying. It will never end. Why? Because Canada has way too many imbeciles living in it who will believe anything their dear lying comrade politicians and the lying media will tell them. Booster shots will be forever. Believe it or not. ?

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On 8/31/2021 at 4:20 PM, Infidel Dog said:

North American Covid data claiming knowledge of vaccinated versus unvaccinated is pretty close to worthless.

This one in the Epoch Times explains why:

Who’s Really Being Hospitalized?

But it all boils down to this:

In the meantime what they're seeing across the water is stuff like this:

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It's has always and only will ever be about pushing a dangerous vaccine on a gullible stupid public. You know those people who, if with enough brainwashing and constantly telling them that the sky is starting to fall down, and to go home and stay inside, they would do so immediately. No one will never ask any questions or challenge anything that their lying politicians and the media tells them anymore. They just go along to get along and they walk among us. We live among a bunch of zombie buffoons. A disgusting bunch of wimps and cowards. they make me want to always puke. Just saying. ?

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On 8/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, Zeitgeist said:

What percentage of the population will need to be fully vaccinated for ample protection?   70%, 80%, 90%, 95%?  What percentage of our ICU capacity dedicated to Covid is too much?  10, 20, 50?  How many daily Covid-related deaths on average are acceptable?  0, 3, 5, 50?   It’s on elected governments, not health officials, ultimately, to decide, because there are so many differences of opinion on what constitutes acceptable risk.   The truth is that Covid isn’t going away, not everyone who is eligible will get vaccinated, and some fully vaccinated people (mostly with fragile health) will die.  We can’t shut down or restrict social behaviour to achieve perfect health outcomes that are unachievable.  We have to set realistic targets that are achievable in the short term because people and businesses can’t handle continued restrictions.  We have to shift to personal responsibility and acceptable risk.  The health authorities support the lofty puritanical realm of perfect public health outcomes.  We need honest leaders who see the bigger picture and can articulate a balanced approach.  We’re essentially holding 90% of the population hostage to save 10% of the population from themselves.

 I actually think Ford is trying to find that balance.  Biden is puritanical.  Trudeau is  more on the puritanical end.  It’s dysfunctional.   Vaccine mandates and passports seem to be the cure-all, but we’re seeing that they can be too harsh and, interestingly, their imposition may not remove restrictions because the people who support them the most also support restrictions the most.  At some point soon we need to lift restrictions and accept the risks or we’ll never exit the pandemic.   Don’t forget that one way or another antibodies must spread throughout the population, either through vaccination or viral spread.  It’s about how we get there, how slow we want to go, how much death we want to accept, how much mental illness we want to accept, and how much we’re willing to let businesses suffer and public debt rise.   I believe we have to brave the risks, take personal responsibility, and remove mandatory restrictions as soon as possible.  

The lying politicians will never be satisfied until 100% of the sheeple are all fully vaccinated with more vaccine booster jabs to follow. It will be booster jabs forever for all of the new covid variants that are really not going to come our way all that much. 

The politicians will try to pretend that the new variants are here to stay and that everybody must now be boosted up with more vaccines for their protection and for "public safety", public safety being the new buzzword now.  ?

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1 hour ago, myata said:

Or memory loss, can it be a side effect? Don't go here, just stay there! put this on maybe please, just put it on! vaccinate please just get the shot! ..

I just hope it does not end with just line up here for your next mandatory shot, or face isolation for higher risk elements. Why, there have been known precedents.

I'll ask one more time. What rights have you lost?

 

Yesterday I posted that we had 91 in ICU on the weekend, today we have 112. At what point do you start paying attention?

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3 hours ago, Aristides said:

What rights have you lost?

How about the right to an education that provides you with equal opportunity.

The right to not be discriminated against for medical reasons. 

BC and Quebec are discriminating against those who are medically ineligible, and maybe other provinces. 

On the plus side, if you die from taking a vaccine the Canadian government will pay for your funeral.

Even there, the government will seek to challenge every applicant. Your estate must prove you died of the vaccine, in court.

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11 hours ago, Aristides said:

I'll ask one more time. What rights have you lost?

Yesterday I posted that we had 91 in ICU on the weekend, today we have 112. At what point do you start paying attention?

How hard is it to get that there's no automatic and unconditional right to limit the freedom of others, any one(s), even the tiniest-slightest ones (in your view) because a) it's not for you to judge the value of other's freedoms and b) there's no automatic right for arbitrary limitations of freedoms of other for any, however remote and stretched pretexts.

And stop explaining and rationalizing such by your own failures and ineptitude (an incomplete list is below). It's been two decades after SARS, not even funny. Whose fault is it that after uncounted public billions were spent in two decades, epidemiological preparedness was at an insufficient level as confirmed by the report, and protection of vulnerable population, completely failed?

Failed preparation to possible and predicted pandemics 18 years after SARS; "travel from Wuhan"; closed parks; all time highs in cases and hospitalizations with mandated masks (including ridiculous covid-dances in restaurants and gyms as described in place of effective methods to limit the spread); multiple lockdowns, 18 thousand cases forecast "models"; and most recently, not including the recovered to passport areas and activities, contrary to all science. And now, two decades, and almost two years on, as clueless as ever how to manage it efficiently and effectively, without theatrical appeals and dramas.

It is already clear that the only chance of this ending in any foreseeable future is by the virus walking and handing the surrender, here, I had enough. I understand that this is the main hope of the strategy" but what's the chance of it happening, in this reality?

 

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4 hours ago, myata said:

How hard is it to get that there's no automatic and unconditional right to limit the freedom of others, any one(s), even the tiniest-slightest ones (in your view) because a) it's not for you to judge the value of other's freedoms and b) there's no automatic right for arbitrary limitations of freedoms of other for any, however remote and stretched pretexts.

And stop explaining and rationalizing such by your own failures and ineptitude (an incomplete list is below). It's been two decades after SARS, not even funny. Whose fault is it that after uncounted public billions were spent in two decades, epidemiological preparedness was at an insufficient level as confirmed by the report, and protection of vulnerable population, completely failed?

Failed preparation to possible and predicted pandemics 18 years after SARS; "travel from Wuhan"; closed parks; all time highs in cases and hospitalizations with mandated masks (including ridiculous covid-dances in restaurants and gyms as described in place of effective methods to limit the spread); multiple lockdowns, 18 thousand cases forecast "models"; and most recently, not including the recovered to passport areas and activities, contrary to all science. And now, two decades, and almost two years on, as clueless as ever how to manage it efficiently and effectively, without theatrical appeals and dramas.

It is already clear that the only chance of this ending in any foreseeable future is by the virus walking and handing the surrender, here, I had enough. I understand that this is the main hope of the strategy" but what's the chance of it happening, in this reality?

 

The only thing limiting your freedoms are your own decisions.

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

The only thing limiting your freedoms are your own decisions.

Not true, as recorded and proven by facts. Arbitrary, never explained or justified restrictions, imposed without due process and oversight are not only incompatible with the democracy; they are also counter-productive, just as we can observe for the second year of the story. Being entrenched; closed to different views and arguments; ignoring evidence that wouldn't support the party line only reinforces wrong decisions, while keeping the mind and eyes closed to better options. And unfortunately this can easily develop into a funnel where it's easier to keep pressing in the wrong direction than admit that it was wrong all along.

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This is no laughing matter though. There is a well-known case of Dr. Charile Smith, an expert in pediatric anatomy whose expertise was used extensively (and without questioning) in Ontario's judicial system for decades resulting in numerous convictions. Till, decades later it became clear that the subject itself does not exist, and it was just incompetence or worse, charlatanism. Question: can we afford this kind of mindset and attitudes in the public health? And what could the cost of that be, in the next pandemic?

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1 hour ago, myata said:

This is no laughing matter though. There is a well-known case of Dr. Charile Smith, an expert in pediatric anatomy whose expertise was used extensively (and without questioning) in Ontario's judicial system for decades resulting in numerous convictions. Till, decades later it became clear that the subject itself does not exist, and it was just incompetence or worse, charlatanism. Question: can we afford this kind of mindset and attitudes in the public health? And what could the cost of that be, in the next pandemic?

So now 4.5 million dead people don't exist.

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1 hour ago, myata said:

This is no laughing matter though. There is a well-known case of Dr. Charile Smith, an expert in pediatric anatomy whose expertise was used extensively (and without questioning) in Ontario's judicial system for decades resulting in numerous convictions. Till, decades later it became clear that the subject itself does not exist, and it was just incompetence or worse, charlatanism. Question: can we afford this kind of mindset and attitudes in the public health? And what could the cost of that be, in the next pandemic?

So you are taking an isolated case and using to prove that medical professionals in Canada (not to mention around the world) are incompetent or worse? 

Your argument is not even remotely logical.

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6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Your argument is not even remotely logical.

How logical is "travel from Wuhan, not a problem!" after SARS (2002), MERS (2006), swine flu and the pandemic movies (2009)? Who stood up and said, no it shouldn't be right, like they were calling for ever more strict lockdowns? No it's not me, only the facts. I'm not saying that there aren't honest individual professionals but as a community it looks like the duty of the medical establishment is to the government where it gets its handout and not to the public, who ultimately pays the bill.

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1 hour ago, dialamah said:

So you are taking an isolated case

And absolutely, the example is entirely valid and relevant because very obviously it's not an isolated doctor that was the source of the problem, in a normal professional environment he would have been just one of grotesque incompetents laughed out of the profession. The problem is with the environment that allows such doctors and experts to flourish, make pitches and recommendations to the powers and influence critical decisions without checks, independent review and if necessary, call to an explanation. And so once again, in another time, another pandemic can we afford to march for two decades blindly, with eyes and ears firmly shut in a wrong direction? Are there guarantees and who gave them, that all problems could always be fixed with a belated apology and compensation out of bottomless taxpayer's pocket?

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This isn’t China — yet.  Stand up against restrictions.  Don’t you get it yet?   They’re not going away.  It doesn’t matter if everyone is vaccinated.  It doesn’t matter if you need to show your papers to see a movie.  Mask mandates aren’t ending.  Your freedoms are being stripped without justification.  Wake up!

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