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9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It will be Trudeau, partly because of the way anti-Trudeau crowd behaved.

This is Canada with advanced minded, democracy loving people. Canadians don't like to see their Prime Minister attacked by gravel (even if they don't agree with him) or his wife targeted for obscenity.  The majority will be disgusted by violent disruption of his campaign gatherings

which is exactly why these protests were staged

to push more naive Canadians into Trudeau's camp and away from the opposition

just when the opposition was rising in the polls

he would still win without them

but it made for a nice safety net, nonetheless

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1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

which is exactly why these protests were staged

to push more naive Canadians into Trudeau's camp and away from the opposition

just when the opposition was rising in the polls

he would still win without them

but it made for a nice safety net, nonetheless

People are laughing at you every time you come up with your weird conspiracy theories on Federal elections or vaccine protests and mandates.

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7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

People are laughing at you every time you come up with your weird conspiracy theories on Federal elections or vaccine protests and mandates.

so?

like I care what the masses think

argument ad populum is a fallacy

just because a large group of people believe something doesn't make them right

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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

so?

like I care what the masses think

argument ad populum is a fallacy

just because a large group of people believe something doesn't make them right

For God's sake you are making ..... out of yourself in public.

Was the gravel throwing People's party former London riding President a Liberal supporter or the hooligan guy who threw obscenity at Trudeau's wife in public?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/shane-marshall-people-s-party-gravel-trudeau-1.6172690

 

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22 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

For God's sake you are making ..... out of yourself in public.

Was the gravel throwing People's party former London riding President a Liberal supporter or the hooligan guy who threw obscenity at Trudeau's wife in public?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/shane-marshall-people-s-party-gravel-trudeau-1.6172690

Trudeau benefitted

even if those two specifically weren't Trudeau supporters

they did him a solid

and helped him more than the vast majority of his supporters ever did

likely egged on by agent provocateurs

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2 hours ago, betsy said:

We might have Trudeau back again.   <sigh>

can't say I didn't tell you not to get your hopes up

that was always going to result in disappointment

at least you are finally bracing yourself for the inevitable

 

I made peace with this outcome long ago

and naturally y'all shot the messenger because of that

I expected that outcome as well

but I warned you anyway

you're welcome

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11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

even if those two specifically weren't Trudeau supporters

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong ?

The whole PPC benefits Trudeau - as do people like you who broadcast the new image of "conservative" to the unsuspected: a paranoid, conspiracy-believing person who wants to withdraw us from the world economy and eliminate government altogether.

Good luck with it.

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The turd seems to be screwed according to this data: https://338canada.com/quebec/ , and this https://338canada.com/ontario/polls.htm

QUE:

In 2019 the Libs got 35 seats in Que based on 34% of the popular vote. Now Legault's party supposedly has 46% of the popular vote and the Libs are at 20. It's hard to imagine the Libs winning many seats there if that's how it plays out. Will they be down to 10-20 seats in Que? 

The Libs can't possibly win any more in the Atlantic Provinces, they won't win any seats in the prairies, Singh takes whatever the PCs don't get in BC, where will Trudeau gain seats to make up for what he loses in Que?

ONT:

In 2019 the Libs got 41.6% of the vote in Ont and won 79 seats. The PC got 33.1% of the vote and got 36 seats. 338 has the conservatives ahead in Ontario. If Ontario is even close, the turd could lose 20 seats there.

 

The data from 338 looks promising for Canadians, but I don't trust polling data. 

 

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12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The turd seems to be screwed according to this data: https://338canada.com/quebec/ , and this https://338canada.com/ontario/polls.htm

QUE:

In 2019 the Libs got 35 seats in Que based on 34% of the popular vote. Now Legault's party supposedly has 46% of the popular vote and the Libs are at 20. It's hard to imagine the Libs winning many seats there if that's how it plays out. Will they be down to 10-20 seats in Que? 

The Libs can't possibly win any more in the Atlantic Provinces, they won't win any seats in the prairies, Singh takes whatever the PCs don't get in BC, where will Trudeau gain seats to make up for what he loses in Que?

ONT:

In 2019 the Libs got 41.6% of the vote in Ont and won 79 seats. The PC got 33.1% of the vote and got 36 seats. 338 has the conservatives ahead in Ontario. If Ontario is even close, the turd could lose 20 seats there.

 

The data from 338 looks promising for Canadians, but I don't trust polling data. 

 

the data looks fake

the Liberals are ahead in both Quebec and Ontario

the Bloc is nowhere near 46% in Quebec

and the Conservatives need to win Ontario comfortably to even have a shot

the above happening is a total pipe dream

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I still urge Canadians to go out and vote!   It's too close to call.  PPC supporters can still do a last-minute strategic vote!

  I also heard the disabled people are voting for Singh because they've been left out by Trudeau during the CERB.  Many young people are also going for Singh.

It ain't over til the fat lady sings!

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29 minutes ago, betsy said:

It ain't over til the fat lady sings!

it's over and it ain't close

there are far more NDP supporters who will strategically vote for Trudeau

than PPC supporters who will strategically vote for O'Toole

just brace yourself now

and stop living in denial

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2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it's over and it ain't close

there are far more NDP supporters who will strategically vote for Trudeau

than PPC supporters who will strategically vote for O'Toole

just brace yourself now

and stop living in denial

Well - let me get a big, fat disappointment if you are correct. 

But right now, hope is still alive.

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35 minutes ago, betsy said:

Well - let me get a big, fat disappointment if you are correct. 

But right now, hope is still alive.

for you perhaps

but that hope is not realistic

the Liberals are doing too well in Ontario and Quebec to lose

and the Conservatives are doing too poorly in Ontario to win

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27 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

for you perhaps

but that hope is not realistic

the Liberals are doing too well in Ontario and Quebec to lose

and the Conservatives are doing too poorly in Ontario to win

Hope isn't always based on what's deemed as,  "realistic."

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37 minutes ago, betsy said:

Hope isn't always based on what's deemed as,  "realistic."

if hope is to be useful

it must be constrained by what is actually possible

hope based on the impossible leads to disappointment and resentment

when that hope inevitably never comes to pass

your hopes are better focused on what you can control and what is possible

rather than what you can't control and what is impossible

delusions of utopia are dangerous

the road to hell is paved with good intentions in pursuit of utopian visions

no one does more damage to the world than those who believe it's their job to save it

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Is it possible or even likely that the result is like it was last time that Trudeau wins even though his party lags behind in overall votes across the country? In other words, the electoral system saves him?

If it happens again wouldn't that push forward the urgency to move to PR electoral system?

 

 

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1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

Is it possible or even likely that the result is like it was last time that Trudeau wins even though his party lags behind in overall votes across the country? In other words, the electoral system saves him?

If it happens again wouldn't that push forward the urgency to move to PR electoral system?

no

why would Liberals and Conservatives

vote to overturn the system that helps them?

that's never going to happen

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15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

indeed

but that would be the result

no matter who wins the election

Everything is relative.  Do I like the fact the O’Toole has outlined a plan to balance the budget by 2030 with no cuts?  Not really.  I’d like it to be much sooner, with cuts.  But the alternative is Trudeau, who’s budget wouldn’t balance until 2070.  That’s 40 years more of debt vs 40 years of paying down debt.  That matters immensely.

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54 minutes ago, Shady said:

Everything is relative.  Do I like the fact the O’Toole has outlined a plan to balance the budget by 2030 with no cuts?  Not really.  I’d like it to be much sooner, with cuts.  But the alternative is Trudeau, who’s budget wouldn’t balance until 2070.  That’s 40 years more of debt vs 40 years of paying down debt.  That matters immensely.

except O'Toole is lying

and if he gets in power

he'll inevitably spend more than he claims he will

especially during covid

see Doug Ford and Jason Kenney as prime examples

the Conservatives aren't spending significantly less than their Liberal counterparts on the provincial level

and they won't federally either

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