Yzermandius19 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: It will be Trudeau, partly because of the way anti-Trudeau crowd behaved. This is Canada with advanced minded, democracy loving people. Canadians don't like to see their Prime Minister attacked by gravel (even if they don't agree with him) or his wife targeted for obscenity. The majority will be disgusted by violent disruption of his campaign gatherings which is exactly why these protests were staged to push more naive Canadians into Trudeau's camp and away from the opposition just when the opposition was rising in the polls he would still win without them but it made for a nice safety net, nonetheless Edited September 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: which is exactly why these protests were staged to push more naive Canadians into Trudeau's camp and away from the opposition just when the opposition was rising in the polls he would still win without them but it made for a nice safety net, nonetheless People are laughing at you every time you come up with your weird conspiracy theories on Federal elections or vaccine protests and mandates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: People are laughing at you every time you come up with your weird conspiracy theories on Federal elections or vaccine protests and mandates. so? like I care what the masses think argument ad populum is a fallacy just because a large group of people believe something doesn't make them right Edited September 18, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: so? like I care what the masses think argument ad populum is a fallacy just because a large group of people believe something doesn't make them right For God's sake you are making ..... out of yourself in public. Was the gravel throwing People's party former London riding President a Liberal supporter or the hooligan guy who threw obscenity at Trudeau's wife in public? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/shane-marshall-people-s-party-gravel-trudeau-1.6172690 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: For God's sake you are making ..... out of yourself in public. Was the gravel throwing People's party former London riding President a Liberal supporter or the hooligan guy who threw obscenity at Trudeau's wife in public? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/shane-marshall-people-s-party-gravel-trudeau-1.6172690 Trudeau benefitted even if those two specifically weren't Trudeau supporters they did him a solid and helped him more than the vast majority of his supporters ever did likely egged on by agent provocateurs Edited September 18, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 We might have Trudeau back again. <sigh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, betsy said: We might have Trudeau back again. <sigh> can't say I didn't tell you not to get your hopes up that was always going to result in disappointment at least you are finally bracing yourself for the inevitable I made peace with this outcome long ago and naturally y'all shot the messenger because of that I expected that outcome as well but I warned you anyway you're welcome Edited September 18, 2021 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: even if those two specifically weren't Trudeau supporters Is this your way of admitting you were wrong ? The whole PPC benefits Trudeau - as do people like you who broadcast the new image of "conservative" to the unsuspected: a paranoid, conspiracy-believing person who wants to withdraw us from the world economy and eliminate government altogether. Good luck with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 52 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Is this your way of admitting you were wrong ? the existence of real protesters is not proof that there are no agent provocateurs I don't think you even know what an agent provocateur is or how they operate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 Finally all polls pointing to a Liberal win but most likely another Minority government. https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 The turd seems to be screwed according to this data: https://338canada.com/quebec/ , and this https://338canada.com/ontario/polls.htm QUE: In 2019 the Libs got 35 seats in Que based on 34% of the popular vote. Now Legault's party supposedly has 46% of the popular vote and the Libs are at 20. It's hard to imagine the Libs winning many seats there if that's how it plays out. Will they be down to 10-20 seats in Que? The Libs can't possibly win any more in the Atlantic Provinces, they won't win any seats in the prairies, Singh takes whatever the PCs don't get in BC, where will Trudeau gain seats to make up for what he loses in Que? ONT: In 2019 the Libs got 41.6% of the vote in Ont and won 79 seats. The PC got 33.1% of the vote and got 36 seats. 338 has the conservatives ahead in Ontario. If Ontario is even close, the turd could lose 20 seats there. The data from 338 looks promising for Canadians, but I don't trust polling data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, WestCanMan said: The turd seems to be screwed according to this data: https://338canada.com/quebec/ , and this https://338canada.com/ontario/polls.htm QUE: In 2019 the Libs got 35 seats in Que based on 34% of the popular vote. Now Legault's party supposedly has 46% of the popular vote and the Libs are at 20. It's hard to imagine the Libs winning many seats there if that's how it plays out. Will they be down to 10-20 seats in Que? The Libs can't possibly win any more in the Atlantic Provinces, they won't win any seats in the prairies, Singh takes whatever the PCs don't get in BC, where will Trudeau gain seats to make up for what he loses in Que? ONT: In 2019 the Libs got 41.6% of the vote in Ont and won 79 seats. The PC got 33.1% of the vote and got 36 seats. 338 has the conservatives ahead in Ontario. If Ontario is even close, the turd could lose 20 seats there. The data from 338 looks promising for Canadians, but I don't trust polling data. the data looks fake the Liberals are ahead in both Quebec and Ontario the Bloc is nowhere near 46% in Quebec and the Conservatives need to win Ontario comfortably to even have a shot the above happening is a total pipe dream Edited September 19, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) I still urge Canadians to go out and vote! It's too close to call. PPC supporters can still do a last-minute strategic vote! I also heard the disabled people are voting for Singh because they've been left out by Trudeau during the CERB. Many young people are also going for Singh. It ain't over til the fat lady sings! Edited September 19, 2021 by betsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, betsy said: It ain't over til the fat lady sings! it's over and it ain't close there are far more NDP supporters who will strategically vote for Trudeau than PPC supporters who will strategically vote for O'Toole just brace yourself now and stop living in denial Edited September 19, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: it's over and it ain't close there are far more NDP supporters who will strategically vote for Trudeau than PPC supporters who will strategically vote for O'Toole just brace yourself now and stop living in denial Well - let me get a big, fat disappointment if you are correct. But right now, hope is still alive. Edited September 19, 2021 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, betsy said: Well - let me get a big, fat disappointment if you are correct. But right now, hope is still alive. for you perhaps but that hope is not realistic the Liberals are doing too well in Ontario and Quebec to lose and the Conservatives are doing too poorly in Ontario to win Edited September 19, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: for you perhaps but that hope is not realistic the Liberals are doing too well in Ontario and Quebec to lose and the Conservatives are doing too poorly in Ontario to win Hope isn't always based on what's deemed as, "realistic." Edited September 19, 2021 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, betsy said: Hope isn't always based on what's deemed as, "realistic." if hope is to be useful it must be constrained by what is actually possible hope based on the impossible leads to disappointment and resentment when that hope inevitably never comes to pass your hopes are better focused on what you can control and what is possible rather than what you can't control and what is impossible delusions of utopia are dangerous the road to hell is paved with good intentions in pursuit of utopian visions no one does more damage to the world than those who believe it's their job to save it Edited September 19, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 Is it possible or even likely that the result is like it was last time that Trudeau wins even though his party lags behind in overall votes across the country? In other words, the electoral system saves him? If it happens again wouldn't that push forward the urgency to move to PR electoral system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 hour ago, -TSS- said: Is it possible or even likely that the result is like it was last time that Trudeau wins even though his party lags behind in overall votes across the country? In other words, the electoral system saves him? If it happens again wouldn't that push forward the urgency to move to PR electoral system? no why would Liberals and Conservatives vote to overturn the system that helps them? that's never going to happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted September 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) Latest poll tracking calls a Liberal Minority government but it does not rule rule a Liberal majority. If elections hold today (instead of tomorrow) Liberals - 31.4% Conservatives - 30.7% NDP - 20% https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/ Edited September 19, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 More debt for future generations, more neediness and handouts, and a diminished Canadian stature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: More debt for future generations, more neediness and handouts, and a diminished Canadian stature. indeed but that would be the result no matter who wins the election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: indeed but that would be the result no matter who wins the election Everything is relative. Do I like the fact the O’Toole has outlined a plan to balance the budget by 2030 with no cuts? Not really. I’d like it to be much sooner, with cuts. But the alternative is Trudeau, who’s budget wouldn’t balance until 2070. That’s 40 years more of debt vs 40 years of paying down debt. That matters immensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Shady said: Everything is relative. Do I like the fact the O’Toole has outlined a plan to balance the budget by 2030 with no cuts? Not really. I’d like it to be much sooner, with cuts. But the alternative is Trudeau, who’s budget wouldn’t balance until 2070. That’s 40 years more of debt vs 40 years of paying down debt. That matters immensely. except O'Toole is lying and if he gets in power he'll inevitably spend more than he claims he will especially during covid see Doug Ford and Jason Kenney as prime examples the Conservatives aren't spending significantly less than their Liberal counterparts on the provincial level and they won't federally either Edited September 19, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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