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On 10/13/2021 at 3:00 PM, Cannucklehead said:

Lol we should be like North Korea, they have zero reported cases of covid.  😆

 

We could be like North Korea also if we would all just stop listening to those lying politicians and the lying media whom are the ones that are keeping this covid virus hoax and lie going. Only we the people can end this covid virus forest fire. 😇

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On 10/14/2021 at 9:03 AM, Accountability Now said:

So here's something that I want to know (and I'm genuinely asking both sides as it doesn't make sense). For the past few months, the UK has averaged 35,000 cases per day from a population that is ~67 million. Their hospitalizations and ICU numbers have averaged around 7,000 and 800 people per day (respectively).   Per 100k people, the cases are 52.2, the hospitalizations are 10.44 and ICU rates are 1.19.  (I know...crude numbers)

In Alberta, we have a population of 4.5 million and are at about 1500 cases for the past month or so with an average of about 1,000 people in the hospital and 250 in ICU. Per 100k, the cases are 33.33, the hospitalizations are 22.22 and the ICU rates are 5.55. 

So relatively speaking, our cases are nearly nearly half but our hospitalizations are double and ICU are nearly 5 times the amount.  Why the difference?

Vaccination rates have been relatively similar hovering around 70% of the population for both. Granted, vaccination of 12-15 year old just started and there was always a low upatake in 16-18 year olds meaning the effective rate for the older demographics is higher than what Alberta would be. 

It could be vaccination rates however for the past three months the percentage of cases in the UK that are unvaccinated has got as low as 37%. This number was higher earlier in the year but as vaccines waned it dropped. Nevertheless, if we accept the 37% number then that gives us roughly 12,950 unvaccinated cases per day which is higher than the daily number of cases Canada has ever seen, never mind Alberta. From the roughly 12k unvaccinated cases being seen in the UK we would see even lower hosptialization and ICU numbers that what I showed above (which includes vaccinated). 

This is the same virus, same variant and affecting humans (just across the water). So why is there such a difference. I know the UK largely used AZ vaccine where Canada has focused on mRNA. Is that the reason? Or is there something more devious going on? I know the UK publishes numbers on exclusion and inclusion hospitalizations/ICU meaning they differentiate between people there because of COVID versus people in the hospital with COVID. But even that wouldn't be enough to explain this. 

Full disclosure, my numbers are crude and may be wrong. Or maybe I'm missing something here. Genuinely looking to wrap my head around this. 

 

If you want to get and hear the other side of the story then go talk to those many thousands of doctors and nurses whom are refusing to take the covid vaccine jabs. If they are so willing to end their careers or get fired there must be a good reason for them to want to do so.

People need to have a talk with those doctors and nurses before they start condemning them. Sadly, our Canadian media instead try to go out of their way and avoid and ignore those doctors and nurses. The question is why? 😇

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On 10/14/2021 at 9:51 AM, Goddess said:

 

 

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Not sure if you saw this but Hinshaw admitted their mistake and apologized for it.  It really casts concerns on what these numbers truly mean

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hinshaw-apologizes-to-family-of-14-year-old-after-saying-he-died-from-covid-19-1.6210691

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23 hours ago, square said:

So when will Covid-19 end?

When the people finally wake up and say that they have had enough of this covid vaccine medical tyranny nonsense bull chit. That is when it will end. If we keep all listening to our politicians and the Canadian media it will never end with those liars. Their lies are what is keeping this plandemic up and running and alive and well. Believe it or not. 😇

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23 hours ago, Aristides said:

I don't know anyone who supports forced vaccinations but those who think not getting vaccinated won't have consequences is dreaming.

Maybe I should just stay home and try not to go out as much as I can until it is safe to do so. There are so many dangers  out there waiting for me where I could end up getting seriously injured or may get killed. I can say that if anyone does go out and gets injured or killed, well then, all I can say is that was their choice. They could have just stayed at home until it was safe to go out once again. 

But I do not. I have to take my chances when I leave home. That is life. And so, I am willing to take the chance and the consequences of not getting vaccinated and that should be my choice to do so. I am not supposed to be of any danger to anyone that has now been vaccinated, right? But we also now know that is not true. The vaccinated are still getting the covid virus. And I would now say that it is the non vaccinated that now have to fear and maybe should stay away from the vaccinated. 🙃

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27 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

 

Not sure if you saw this but Hinshaw admitted their mistake and apologized for it.  It really casts concerns on what these numbers truly mean

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/hinshaw-apologizes-to-family-of-14-year-old-after-saying-he-died-from-covid-19-1.6210691

I did see that this morning.  Thank you.

I wonder if Hinshaw (they call her "Hacksaw" in AB 🤣) would have ever apologized if the family hadn't raised hell.  

At least the mainstream media finally carried the story of the apology. 

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6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I did see that this morning.  Thank you.

I wonder if Hinshaw (they call her "Hacksaw" in AB 🤣) would have ever apologized if the family hadn't raised hell.  

At least the mainstream media finally carried the story of the apology. 

Of course she wouldn't. She was sorry she got caught, that's all. I have heard a few other direct anecdotes of friends who have lost family members from 'covid' even though it had nothing to do with covid. 

Did you hear the reporters though in the update? Their concern was that conspiracy theorists would use this slip up to push their agenda. How about ask why the F this happened and maybe start digging a big more to find the rest. 

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Good to see that the brainiacs in Quebec had to roll back their vaccine mandate deadline after insisting numerous times they would not.

Had they gone ahead, would have meant termination of 21,000 health care workers, closure of 35 operating rooms and 600 beds. The health care personnel have spoken. God bless them all. Now that they see this, they have the numbers and the political will to hold their ground.

Those stupid government chivatos thought they could bully the Quebec nurses, but they have another thing coming.

Now Doug Ford is looking for “advice” from hospital CEO’s on the matter. Let me tell you something, DoFo. Those CEO’s dont know nothing about nothin, just look at balance sheets with big numbers, and go to meetings with fancy food and drink every day. Completely useless. Just look at the state of Canadian healthcare and tell me why anyone should believe they are at all competent.

Whole system is rotten through and through, needs an enema.

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Good to see that the brainiacs in Quebec had to roll back their vaccine mandate deadline after insisting numerous times they would not.

Had they gone ahead, would have meant termination of 21,000 health care workers, closure of 35 operating rooms and 600 beds. The health care personnel have spoken. God bless them all. Now that they see this, they have the numbers and the political will to hold their ground.

Those stupid government chivatos thought they could bully the Quebec nurses, but they have another thing coming.

Now Doug Ford is looking for “advice” from hospital CEO’s on the matter. Let me tell you something, DoFo. Those CEO’s dont know nothing about nothin, just look at balance sheets with big numbers, and go to meetings with fancy food and drink every day. Completely useless. Just look at the state of Canadian healthcare and tell me why anyone should believe they are at all competent.

Whole system is rotten through and through, needs an enema.

20% of the whole population, even if they manage to bring this down to 15% is a very prominent "minority" group.  Bigger than any other minority.   Bigger than the FN population as well, probably.  

What politicians have been doing is a demonstration of utter stupidity.

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5 hours ago, Aristides said:

We've known from the beginning that vaccines are less effective in the elderly who already have weaker immune systems.

It just cracks me up that vaxx-nazis never acknowledge that covid only kills unvaccinated people when they're elderly with compromised immune systems, but when you mention vaxxed people who die with covid they always say "but it's only elderly people with compromised immune systems".

Would it kill you to just talk honestly and accurately about a topic for once? I really hate having to correct you every time I reply. 

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On 10/14/2021 at 3:57 PM, Aristides said:

I don't know anyone who supports forced vaccinations but those who think not getting vaccinated won't have consequences is dreaming.

Bullshit... we got people foaming at the mouth here and now... people are being refused in some Canadian hospitals critical medical care for not being vaccinated...fired form their jobs, medical people are being told they will have their licenses pull for the province forever...how much farther do you think we are from forcing people...every week it just gets worse... At what point do we have to reach before it no longer matters if your vaccinated or not.. we are already at over 80 % and if you count those that have already recovered that number as got to be past 90 %...what number did the government give us again... here in NB i think it was 80 %, god knows what it is now.... 

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Bullshit... we got people foaming at the mouth here and now... people are being refused in some Canadian hospitals critical medical care for not being vaccinated...fired form their jobs, medical people are being told they will have their licenses pull for the province forever...how much farther do you think we are from forcing people...every week it just gets worse... At what point do we have to reach before it no longer matters if your vaccinated or not.. we are already at over 80 % and if you count those that have already recovered that number as got to be past 90 %...what number did the government give us again... here in NB i think it was 80 %, god knows what it is now.... 

Where is that happening? I've been in and out of hospitals with my wife for the past two months and not once have I been asked if I was vaccinated or she as a patient, although she has had three PCR tests while she was there,

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2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Where is that happening? I've been in and out of hospitals with my wife for the past two months and not once have I been asked if I was vaccinated or she as a patient, although she has had three PCR tests while she was there,

What is your point now?  You want unvaccinated people to be banned from entering any hospital and receiving any healthcare?

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9 hours ago, cougar said:

What is your point now?  You want unvaccinated people to be banned from entering any hospital and receiving any healthcare?

I asked where unvaccinated people in Canada were being refused admittance to hospitals or told they would lose their medical licenses forever.

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I asked where unvaccinated people in Canada were being refused admittance to hospitals or told they would lose their medical licenses forever.

There was a woman in the states who needed a kidney transplant, found a donor, and then had her surgery rejected because "covid is too dangerous for people recovering from transplant operations" iirc. At least that's what I remember seeing, and I didn't bother to check and see if there was a really high death rate among transplant patients since covid started, so I don't know if it was just anti-democracy propaganda from the hospital or a legitimate sentiment. 

There's a story about it here: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-unvaccinated-woman-denied-kidney-transplant-in-us-12427654 but I'm too lazy to do the "cookie consent" thing.

TBH, I doubt that vaccinations help, because they intentionally trigger immune responses, and that's what kills transplant patients. 

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38 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There was a woman in the states who needed a kidney transplant, found a donor, and then had her surgery rejected because "covid is too dangerous for people recovering from transplant operations" iirc. At least that's what I remember seeing, and I didn't bother to check and see if there was a really high death rate among transplant patients since covid started, so I don't know if it was just anti-democracy propaganda from the hospital or a legitimate sentiment. 

There's a story about it here: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-unvaccinated-woman-denied-kidney-transplant-in-us-12427654 but I'm too lazy to do the "cookie consent" thing.

TBH, I doubt that vaccinations help, because they intentionally trigger immune responses, and that's what kills transplant patients. 

I asked, where in Canada?

She and her donor were given 30 days to start the vaccination process. I read the article and apparently she won't lose her place on the list but will not be offered a kidney until she is vaccinated. Her donor is also refusing to be vaccinated on religious grounds. I'm not qualified to evaluate the risks to transplant patients but if there is a waiting list for organs and doctors have a choice between otherwise equal vaccinated and unvaccinated recipients, it's not surprising they would go with those that present the least risk of complications and the greatest chance of success. It blows my mind that someone in stage 5 renal failure would be worried about complications from a vaccine that has been successfully taken by billions.

 

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This is the quote from the U of Colorado transplant centre.

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"An organ transplant is a unique surgery that leads to a lifetime of specialised management to ensure an organ is not rejected, which can lead to serious complications, the need for a subsequent transplant surgery, or even death."

"Physicians must consider the short- and long-term health risks for patients as they consider whether to recommend an organ transplant," it added.

"In almost all situations, transplant recipients and living donors at UCHealth are now required to be vaccinated against COVID-19 in addition to meeting other health requirements and receiving additional vaccinations."

 

 

 

So it isn't just Covid vaccinations they require before they will do a transplant.

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31 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I asked, where in Canada?

You could have done a Google search. I just did and it took me 1 second: https://vancouversun.com/health/can-a-walk-in-clinic-doctor-refuse-to-see-an-unvaccinated-patient-it-may-depend

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will not be offered a kidney until she is vaccinated.

So there it is. Vaxx or die.

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Her donor is also refusing to be vaccinated on religious grounds.

And religion is a personal thing. So is one's body. The donor doesn't actually 'have to' get vaccinted, unless they want to help anther person survive. So, vaxx or let die. 

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I'm not qualified to evaluate the risks to transplant patients

Me neither, but the hospital just gave an opinion without any facts, evidence or data.

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but if there is a waiting list for organs and doctors have a choice between otherwise equal vaccinated and unvaccinated recipients,

They don't. It's one donor for one specific patient. If they don't give that kindey to that specific woman then it stays inside of the potential donor.

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it's not surprising they would go with those that present the least risk of complications and the greatest chance of success.

But it is surprising that they're willing to watch the woman die just because she's defying Joe Biden's/Big Pharma's decree. 

For a doctor to inflict their own biases on a patient under pain of death is not an option, the hippocratic oath doesn't give them leeway to do that.

The stats may favour the doctor's opinion, but in the end it's still just an opinion, that doesn't mean that the patient has to do what the doctor says or be left to die.

Furthermore, Drs in the US get comped very nicely by Big Pharma, and it's a fact that Drs in the US are prescribing medications to serve their own interests instead of their clients'. Patients have good reason to be skeptical of what Drs, politicians and the MSM have to say. 

Can other hospitals refuse to treat women because they've had abortions, or they're pro-choice activists? "We're worried that you're going to kill more babies, or convince many other women to kill many more babies in the future, so we can't help you unless you release a statement against abortion." 

Honestly, that's also just a Dr's opinion. They're also 'saving lives' in that scenario. How political is medicine allowed to be? 

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24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You could have done a Google search. I just did and it took me 1 second: https://vancouversun.com/health/can-a-walk-in-clinic-doctor-refuse-to-see-an-unvaccinated-patient-it-may-depend

So there it is. Vaxx or die.

And religion is a personal thing. So is one's body. The donor doesn't actually 'have to' get vaccinted, unless they want to help anther person survive. So, vaxx or let die. 

Me neither, but the hospital just gave an opinion without any facts, evidence or data.

They don't. It's one donor for one specific patient. If they don't give that kindey to that specific woman then it stays inside of the potential donor.

But it is surprising that they're willing to watch the woman die just because she's defying Joe Biden's/Big Pharma's decree. 

For a doctor to inflict their own biases on a patient under pain of death is not an option, the hippocratic oath doesn't give them leeway to do that.

The stats may favour the doctor's opinion, but in the end it's still just an opinion, that doesn't mean that the patient has to do what the doctor says or be left to die.

Furthermore, Drs in the US get comped very nicely by Big Pharma, and it's a fact that Drs in the US are prescribing medications to serve their own interests instead of their clients'. Patients have good reason to be skeptical of what Drs, politicians and the MSM have to say. 

Can other hospitals refuse to treat women because they've had abortions, or they're pro-choice activists? "We're worried that you're going to kill more babies, or convince many other women to kill many more babies in the future, so we can't help you unless you release a statement against abortion." 

Honestly, that's also just a Dr's opinion. They're also 'saving lives' in that scenario. How political is medicine allowed to be? 

This is a transplant hospital, they will have all kinds of requirements of recipients including vaccinations. I would think hepatitis would be near the top of the list. They don’t give liver transplants to practicing alcoholics. What religious excuse does her donor have? What religious excuses are there? A kidney removal is a major surgery in itself. 
 

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2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

This is a transplant hospital, they will have all kinds of requirements of recipients including vaccinations. 

I did a quick Google serch and just found this list:

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Absolute contraindications include: Active malignancy (cancer) Active abuse of drugs, alcohol, or other substances. Severe cardiac and / or peripheral vascular disease that cannot be corrected, such as severe cardiomyopathy with an ejection fraction of less than 25 percent.

Do you have a cite that shows vaccinations on the list?

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21 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Good to see that the brainiacs in Quebec had to roll back their vaccine mandate deadline after insisting numerous times they would not.

Had they gone ahead, would have meant termination of 21,000 health care workers, closure of 35 operating rooms and 600 beds. The health care personnel have spoken. God bless them all. Now that they see this, they have the numbers and the political will to hold their ground.

Those stupid government chivatos thought they could bully the Quebec nurses, but they have another thing coming.

Now Doug Ford is looking for “advice” from hospital CEO’s on the matter. Let me tell you something, DoFo. Those CEO’s dont know nothing about nothin, just look at balance sheets with big numbers, and go to meetings with fancy food and drink every day. Completely useless. Just look at the state of Canadian healthcare and tell me why anyone should believe they are at all competent.

Whole system is rotten through and through, needs an enema.

GOVERMENT "IS" THE PROBLEM. 🤢

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

You could have done a Google search. I just did and it took me 1 second: https://vancouversun.com/health/can-a-walk-in-clinic-doctor-refuse-to-see-an-unvaccinated-patient-it-may-depend

So there it is. Vaxx or die.

He was told to go to the hospital. Did the hospital refuse to see him?

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And religion is a personal thing. So is one's body. The donor doesn't actually 'have to' get vaccinted, unless they want to help anther person survive. So, vaxx or let die. 

She has a personal reason and the hospital has policy reasons based on medicine. What religious reason would there be? What in her religious teaching prohibits vaccination? Does it also prohibit transfusions? A hospital isn't likely to do major non necessary surgery just because a patient is willing to bleed to death on the table for want of a transfusion.

Seems to me neither the recipient or the donor are too concerned about her life if this is what they are willing to stand on. It's more about getting their way.

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

He was told to go to the hospital. Did the hospital refuse to see him?

He was refused medical treatment on account of his vaxx status. So instead of going to a local walk-in, they have to drive to the hospital, pay for parking, and wait in emergency. In Surrey, New West and Langley BC, that's usually around 5 hours. I took my son to the hospital in Langley with a broken big toe and waited from 5 PM until 1 AM and then we left. 

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She has a personal reason and the hospital has policy reasons based on medicine.

She has her own reason. That's all she needs, and there's no actual medical reason to deny her service.

The Dr might have an opinion about the efficacy and safety of the vaxx, but the fact remains that the vaccines do kill people and some people still die after they're vaccinated. People who aren't afraid of covid don't have to be vaccinated, period, and the DR doesn't get to let her die over a difference of opinions.  

Maybe the woman is willing to take the Merck pill, or monoclonal antibodies or something else that's equally or maybe even more effective. The Dr doesn't get to tell her what option she has to take when there are multiple to choose from. 

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What religious reason would there be? What in her religious teaching prohibits vaccination? Does it also prohibit transfusions?

Some people claim religious reasons just to get out of taking it. Who cares if it really has to do with religion or not? If people believe strongly enough in their religion they're exempt from certain things. Maybe atheists have a right to believe in some things too. 

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A hospital isn't likely to do major non necessary surgery just because a patient is willing to bleed to death on the table for want of a transfusion. 

If a patient chooses to die because they don't want a blood transfusion that's their call. This is an example of the Dr not being willing to give them a blood transfusion. 

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Seems to me neither the recipient or the donor are too concerned about her life if this is what they are willing to stand on. It's more about getting their way.

They're going to a less-biased, less politically active hospital. It doesn't seem like that's a good hospital to choose if you really think about it. 

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23 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Good to see that the brainiacs in Quebec had to roll back their vaccine mandate deadline after insisting numerous times they would not.

Had they gone ahead, would have meant termination of 21,000 health care workers, closure of 35 operating rooms and 600 beds. The health care personnel have spoken.

It's really pathetic that our MSM completely downplayed the number of hospital staff refusing the jab.

"Oh it's just a few people, no big deal. The protests at the hospitals aren't medical staff either, they're mainly white supremacists who are hoping to block ambulances so that people will die. PROTESTS OUTSIDE OF HOSPITALS NEED TO BE BANNED!"

The MSM never gave the people at the hospitals a chance to say why they were there, they just paint them all with the same brush because they have to make those people fit into their narrative.

People who watch CTV and CBC and think that it's 'news' are just worthless idiots. 

Just another example of the MSM being the liars that we already knew that they are.

 

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7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's really pathetic that our MSM completely downplayed the number of hospital staff refusing the jab.

"Oh it's just a few people, no big deal. The protests at the hospitals aren't medical staff either, they're mainly white supremacists who are hoping to block ambulances so that people will die. PROTESTS OUTSIDE OF HOSPITALS NEED TO BE BANNED!"

The MSM never gave the people at the hospitals a chance to say why they were there, they just paint them all with the same brush because they have to make those people fit into their narrative.

People who watch CTV and CBC and think that it's 'news' are just worthless idiots. 

Just another example of the MSM being the worthless liars that we already knew that they are.

 

Thats also why it’s crickets around here from the left on this. I told them about it weeks ago, with links but they refused to believe it.

Buncha koolaide sippers.

They even called me a liar...

;) 

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