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5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Listen. I'll reserve my sympathy for the cancer patient who is willing to undergo the rigours of radiation and chemo just to extend their lives or try to improve their quality of life. Not some bozo who has been given a chance of life but it is willing throw it away because they won't take a vaccine that has been taken by billions and proven to be 99.9% harmless. 

My priorities, morals and values are just fine.

How long have you been a fascist for?  

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18 hours ago, Aristides said:

Try and find a spot at Abby Regional at noon. When I was going to RCH in August I always had to park in the mental health lot because the main hospital lot was always full.

Yeah right. We know why you were there ?

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No, "if you don't follow hospital policy you don't get a transplant. Your choice, patients don't set medical policy for this hospital".

You don't tell an engineer how to design a bridge or a pilot how to fly his aircraft, why do you think you know enough to lecture medical professionals on medicine?

It's not about medicine, it's about lobbyist money's influence on politics.

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You have been sucked in by every crackpot social media conspiracy theorist of the last two years.

Nice try, I'm not a leftist that believed in peaceful arson/looting/assault riots, Brionna Taylor, Rayhsard Brooks, Russian collusion, Ukrainian collusion, Dr Ford, HCQ deaths, HCQ blindness, Trump will make billions off of HCQ, the vaccines will be safe, H2H doesn't exist, banning flights is racist, therapeutics can't work, the vaccines will get us to herd immunity, Trudeau is a covid hero, etc.

Only a complete and total idiot believed all of that when it was happening, and only a complete and total idiot would still follow the MSM liars who led them down that path when it all seemed so counter-intuitive. 

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68.3% of new infections and 76.3 new Covid hospitalizations in BC are not fully vaccinated. That's 76.3% of hospitalizations from less than 20% of the population.

Why are you randomly blabbering stats that have nothing to do with what I said?

Why don't you try to use those stats, or something else that you saw on the MSM, to tell me why 12 yr-olds need to be vaccinated? And soon 5-11 yr-olds will be vaccinated. Why them? 

Your stats also don't discredit what I said about the avg age and health status of covid victims.

That whole burb was just useless.

Do you have stats or information about covid vaccine victims, and what they're going through? No? Why not? You get hours of covid coverage a day, why don't you hear about vaxx complications?

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No they don't and not only have I never said that, I don't think it.

People get religious exemptions all the time, or bathroom exemptions if they feel like they wanna cross-dress. Those are just people's beliefs that the rest of society has to comply with.

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My point was, why would a person refuse a vaccination on religious reasons but not a blood transfusion from a vaccinated person? 

I'm not a shrink. I have no explanation for why people think that their religion justifies marrying children, or letting their kids die for lack of a blood transfusion. But we have to put up with it.

People don't want to get the vaccine for a multitude of reasons, but the common sense ones don't prevail, so they use religion as an excuse because they think that leftists who fanatically believe in killing babies in the womb (my body, my choice), or letting grown men with skirts into girls' bathrooms will apply that same nonsensical principals to the vaxx. 

Young/healthy people don't get affected by it. Why do you think they should have to get vaccinated, when that doesn't stop them from spreading covid?

Some people already had C19 so they have natural immunity. Why do you think they should have to get vaccinated, when they already have more immunity than the dbl-vaxxed?

Why is it that every rule that comes out about covid is overtly stupid/hypocritical/bigoted yet we still have to follow them? 

200 looters can be in a 20,000 sq ft store and not spread covid, but 24 kids can't be at a 35,000 sq ft baseball park.

13 unvaccinated people can sit with Governor Newsom and have dinner at the French Laundry but you can't go to Earl's with your kids?

Nancy Pelosi can get a haircut but you can't get a haircut.

All the celebs and Demmies can attend a gala at the Met without wearing masks but vaxxed staffers have to wear masks.

All gov't employees have to be vaxxed but congressmen and senators don't.

Everyone in federal buildings has to be vaxxed but Biden and his staff don't.

It's racist to say that covid might be from a BSL4 lab. 

People could fly into Canada on March 15th from Wuhan and go to a buffet or swim in a public pool with no restrictions whatsoever but on March 16th Canadians couldn't walk outside in Parks. 

 

Covid rules are total bullshit. We've been lied to and mistreated for over a year now by the MSM and greasy politicians like Trudeau. You can believe them if you want, but 1) there's nothing conspiratorial at all about knowing that those people are liars who aren't to be trusted, and 2) anyone who doesn't understand that by now is an irredeemable idiot.

Why do 5-17 yr-olds need to be vaxxed? That's a crime. 

Why do healthy 18-40 yr-olds need to be vaxxed? 

Answer those questions without pretending that the vaccine stops the spread of covid, because it does not do that, the science is 100% clear on that. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Shady said:

Libtards pre-2020:  Health care is a right!

Libtards post-2020:  You’ll get health care as long as you make the life choices I approve of!

These people are more disgusting than child molesters.

Oh I don't think they shouldn't have access to health care, I just think anti vaxxers should pay their own hospital bills.  The government offered them a vaccine at no cost(which I chipped in for) and they refused, instead costing health care more money(which I chipped in for)

 

And then of course:

https://globalnews.ca/news/8164697/covid-coronavirus-doctors-frustrated-anti-vaccination/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/anti-vaccine-protests-health-workers-toronto-1.6164215

 

I have as much sympathy for them as I do for Lawrence Thompson.  

 

 

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17 hours ago, cougar said:

Wow!  You are one patient person.  I would have either left by 9PM at the latest, or something would have happened and I would have been all over the news.

If it was my toe I would have left, because I know that they don't do much for broken toes. They usually tape them together. But, it was my son's big toe, and I knew that it was broken, I just didn't know how badly. I didn't know if it needed to be set or something. 

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

 But not getting vaccinated does threaten the safety and lives of other people.  

Which people?  The vaccinated ones?  The unvaccinated ones who do not want to be vaccinated?

And by the way, you being vaccinated still transmit the virus to those vulnerable unvaccianted people and threaten their lives.

As I said, don't even try to justify the unjustifiable.

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14 hours ago, cougar said:

Churchill did not expect to see the end of the world before his eyes.   Now looking at his statement, it is him who seems to be missing the brains.

I don't get it. When did he unexpectedly see the end of the world? 

FYI young people always believe in socialism. It's not until they work with some lazy co-workers who are paid the same as them, or pay a huge chunk of taxes and see how wasteful the government actually is, and see young/healthy people drain the system, that they start to think in real terms.

Socialism promotes laziness, period.

Biden's covid loot is a massive part of the supply chain crisis because people can stay home and make $3000+/mo or go drive a truck and be away from home for days at a time and work long hours just to make the same amount of money. It's about the easiest decision imaginable.

Socialism in the US is working out the EXACT same way that it worked out in Venezuela. 

"I want my free money. Now I expect goods and services for the money that I have, but no one seems to be doing enough work to get me what I want. IT'S TRUMP'S FAULT!"

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I love how all these so called libertarian, independent thinkers get their knickers in a knot when they have to be accountable for their own decisions. 

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Yeah right. We know why you were there ?

It's not about medicine, it's about lobbyist money's influence on politics.

Nice try, I'm not a leftist that believed in peaceful arson/looting/assault riots, Brionna Taylor, Rayhsard Brooks, Russian collusion, Ukrainian collusion, Dr Ford, HCQ deaths, HCQ blindness, Trump will make billions off of HCQ, the vaccines will be safe, H2H doesn't exist, banning flights is racist, therapeutics can't work, the vaccines will get us to herd immunity, Trudeau is a covid hero, etc.

Only a complete and total idiot believed all of that when it was happening, and only a complete and total idiot would still follow the MSM liars who led them down that path when it all seemed so counter-intuitive. 

Why are you randomly blabbering stats that have nothing to do with what I said?

Why don't you try to use those stats, or something else that you saw on the MSM, to tell me why 12 yr-olds need to be vaccinated? And soon 5-11 yr-olds will be vaccinated. Why them? 

Your stats also don't discredit what I said about the avg age and health status of covid victims.

That whole burb was just useless.

Do you have stats or information about covid vaccine victims, and what they're going through? No? Why not? You get hours of covid coverage a day, why don't you hear about vaxx complications?

People get religious exemptions all the time, or bathroom exemptions if they feel like they wanna cross-dress. Those are just people's beliefs that the rest of society has to comply with.

I'm not a shrink. I have no explanation for why people think that their religion justifies marrying children, or letting their kids die for lack of a blood transfusion. But we have to put up with it.

People don't want to get the vaccine for a multitude of reasons, but the common sense ones don't prevail, so they use religion as an excuse because they think that leftists who fanatically believe in killing babies in the womb (my body, my choice), or letting grown men with skirts into girls' bathrooms will apply that same nonsensical principals to the vaxx. 

Young/healthy people don't get affected by it. Why do you think they should have to get vaccinated, when that doesn't stop them from spreading covid?

Some people already had C19 so they have natural immunity. Why do you think they should have to get vaccinated, when they already have more immunity than the dbl-vaxxed?

Why is it that every rule that comes out about covid is overtly stupid/hypocritical/bigoted yet we still have to follow them? 

200 looters can be in a 20,000 sq ft store and not spread covid, but 24 kids can't be at a 35,000 sq ft baseball park.

13 unvaccinated people can sit with Governor Newsom and have dinner at the French Laundry but you can't go to Earl's with your kids?

Nancy Pelosi can get a haircut but you can't get a haircut.

All the celebs and Demmies can attend a gala at the Met without wearing masks but vaxxed staffers have to wear masks.

All gov't employees have to be vaxxed but congressmen and senators don't.

Everyone in federal buildings has to be vaxxed but Biden and his staff don't.

It's racist to say that covid might be from a BSL4 lab. 

People could fly into Canada on March 15th from Wuhan and go to a buffet or swim in a public pool with no restrictions whatsoever but on March 16th Canadians couldn't walk outside in Parks. 

 

Covid rules are total bullshit. We've been lied to and mistreated for over a year now by the MSM and greasy politicians like Trudeau. You can believe them if you want, but 1) there's nothing conspiratorial at all about knowing that those people are liars who aren't to be trusted, and 2) anyone who doesn't understand that by now is an irredeemable idiot.

Why do 5-17 yr-olds need to be vaxxed? That's a crime. 

Why do healthy 18-40 yr-olds need to be vaxxed? 

Answer those questions without pretending that the vaccine stops the spread of covid, because it does not do that, the science is 100% clear on that. 

 

So tell me, what logic would someone who won't get vaccinated use to get a blood transfusion from someone who has? You know damn well that someone getting an organ transplant is likely to need several pints of blood during their surgery and the odds are that blood donor will be fully vaccinated. Blood donor clinics might not even take people who haven't been vaccinated.

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43 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So tell me, what logic would someone who won't get vaccinated use to get a blood transfusion from someone who has? You know damn well that someone getting an organ transplant is likely to need several pints of blood during their surgery and the odds are that blood donor will be fully vaccinated. Blood donor clinics might not even take people who haven't been vaccinated.

If I needed it, I would ask for organic blood (from an unvaccinated person)

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2 hours ago, blackbird said:

No, I don't smoke or take drugs.  What you eat or how much you eat doesn't affect other people.  But not getting vaccinated does threaten the safety and lives of other people.  

Getting vaccinated does not stop the spread of the virus you know that right, anyone can be a spreader including the vaccinated...getting vaccinated means you are not going to feel the the full force of the virus and will lessen your chances of dying. and less of a burden on our medical system. It is not a cure nor will it prevent death. 

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44 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't get it. When did he unexpectedly see the end of the world? 

 

He did not see it, and there were no fears the unimpeded capitalism would grind to a halt as a result of diminishing resources and wide spread devastation to lands and climate.

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1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Considering your pool of donors gets smaller every day, you might have to bring your own

Well, considering the amount of nurses is getting smaller, as they get fired over vaccination, you might need to bring your nurse with you too.?

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1 minute ago, cougar said:

Well, considering the amount of nurses is getting smaller, as they get fired over vaccination, you might need to bring your nurse with you too.?

How many nurses have been fired or quit over vaccinations? US hospitals are finding when push comes to shove, there are very few.

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

If you turn down a life saving transplant on nothing more than principle, that's your problem and no one else's. They can stamp their feet and scream like infants having a temper tantrum all they want, doctors have more important things to deal with.

I don't care if you respect my decision to get a shot or not, as long as you respect the right to make a decision. We have to respect a persons right to make decisions, there is no way we have to respect the decisions they make, especially the bad ones.

We are not denying anyone medical services, they are denying themselves by the decisions they make. 

I don't care whether they bend or not or why they made that choice. That's their problem, not mine or anyone else's.

They (unvaccinated)are not turning down a life saving treatment hence why they are on the list to start with.... , the doctors are the ones doing that they are turning down the surgeries, taking patients off the lists, that is there action .... Yes it seems doctors have a lot more important things to do,  like who is going to get treatment and who is not....

And who decides what is a good decision and what is bad, you, the majority... last time i checked we live in a democracy where we have the right to make choices, any and all choices whether you like them or not. do you check in with the neighbors every decision you make. do you foam at the mouth when they make the wrong choices like your doing now. 

Still refusing to take some of the blame, again i don't have to like your choices... but I do not support refusing much needed medical attention, or getting you fired from your job like you do..

But you have made it your problem, your voicing your opinions or should i say hard choices on the subject,  if it meant nothing to you why even comment why would you even care ? And your 100% right that is their problem not yours it does not effect you or any of your rights or freedoms..

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18 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Getting vaccinated does not stop the spread of the virus you know that right, anyone can be a spreader including the vaccinated...getting vaccinated means you are not going to feel the the full force of the virus and will lessen your chances of dying. and less of a burden on our medical system. It is not a cure nor will it prevent death. 

Personally I always thought of it as practice.  Its like anything else, practice and you'll be ready for the real thing.  

Did Gretzky put on a pair of skates at age 11?  Did Jordan sink his first basket at 11?

 

Anyway, you get the point.  

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1 hour ago, Cannucklehead said:

Oh I don't think they shouldn't have access to health care, I just think anti vaxxers should pay their own hospital bills.  The government offered them a vaccine at no cost(which I chipped in for) and they refused, instead costing health care more money(which I chipped in for)

 

And then of course:

https://globalnews.ca/news/8164697/covid-coronavirus-doctors-frustrated-anti-vaccination/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/anti-vaccine-protests-health-workers-toronto-1.6164215

 

I have as much sympathy for them as I do for Lawrence Thompson.  

 

 

Let me guess the unvaccinated , they don't pay taxes, they don't contribute to our health care system, last time i checked any Canadian has free access to our health care without discrimination be it from religious, or cultural differences. i guess that does not count any more... and now the mob gets to decide who gets what...they don't want your sympathy but rather to be treated as any other Canadians is. 

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3 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Personally I always thought of it as practice.  Its like anything else, practice and you'll be ready for the real thing.  

Did Gretzky put on a pair of skates at age 11?  Did Jordan sink his first basket at 11?

 

Anyway, you get the point.  

Sorry just finishing turkey left overs, we had thanks giving post phoned a week because thats what the primer wanted anyway i'm a little food drunk...

so your message flew over my head , practice for what ? 

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4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Let me guess the unvaccinated , they don't pay taxes, they don't contribute to our health care system, last time i checked any Canadian has free access to our health care without discrimination be it from religious, or cultural differences. i guess that does not count any more... and now the mob gets to decide who gets what...they don't want your sympathy but rather to be treated as any other Canadians is. 

Even if they do, their unwillingness to get vaccinated is equivalent to walking into a minefield.  Its not discrimination, its sensibility. 

We already shell out a ton of money every year for nothing, why should we add more to the pile?  If they don't want the vaccine thats fine, it's their decision.  

But why should I bare the brunt of their decisions? If I get into a car accident and its my fault, my insurance rates go up, not everyone else's.  

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

Sorry just finishing turkey left overs, we had thanks giving post phoned a week because thats what the primer wanted anyway i'm a little food drunk...

so your message flew over my head , practice for what ? 

Practice for a real covid infection.  Your body has been prepared for it if you got the vaccine. 

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"Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that did not protect the protected in the first place? "

 

Which protection isn't protecting the people who took them?

Do we have to uninstall car seatbelts? Shall we do rid of all safety guardrails infrastructure? Do we still need waterhydrants in the streets? Why am I not allowed to handle anthrax?

 

You place yourself outside society when you actively try to undermine its future and potential. Does this mean we need to force vaccination on everyone? No. Does this mean we should enact safeguards for certain activites or professions so that they do not endanger others who may or may not be so furtunate to be able to receive the vaccine? Yes.

 

Libertarians should find themselfes an island to be alone on.

 

I just read that on another site. 

Food for thought.  

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