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8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There's hope for some of them if Churchill was right when he said "If you're not a socialist at 20 then you have no heart, and if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brains." Maybe he was aware that some of them actually do become 'woke' after all. 

Churchill did not expect to see the end of the world before his eyes.   Now looking at his statement, it is him who seems to be missing the brains.

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I am wondering if I might legally challenge the health authority for failing to provide timely care to a close relative.  I understand the health authority in this region put a loved one, who needs emergency heart care for clogged coronary arteries, on hold and brought Covid patients into our region from another region.  These Covid patients chose not to get vaccinated.  Is there a legal obligation for the health authority to provide emergency medical care for a person who has a health care card and paid premiums for health care and followed all the Covid health regulations, including getting vaccinated?

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Remember, the character of communication can tell more than a message itself? The fact that they try to bury numbers that may not look good or cause questions in the statistics games (stretching, massaging and all the way to the l-word) tells us more than one important points, for example: the source cannot be trusted; and, that there may be something to hide. And that, maybe, it doesn't even know what's going on. And that is information in itself of course, like watching body language of a known l..r.

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7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Its called the immune system fella. It’s kept humans alive for millions of years, no vaccines. Go read up about it.

How about all the aboriginal people in the world who were decimated or wiped out by new European diseases like smallpox and measles they were exposed to during the exploration and colonial era? Do you think they all had shit immune systems or co morbidities as well? Smallpox killed an estimated 500 million people in the last century before it was irradiated by vaccines. It had been around for at least 4000 years. Go read up on it yourself. 
 

 

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Immunity, as any scientific question is not the point here. The point is that a bureaucracy that manages itself without controls, checks and oversight will always do ever less meaningful work for ever more cost all the way the the state where virtually no work is done (like in rapid Covid-19 response one taxpayer billion fund) and no money left. That truth is thousands years old. We just want to prove it again seem to be having great success at it.

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

How about all the aboriginal people in the world who were decimated or wiped out by new European diseases like smallpox and measles they were exposed to during the exploration and colonial era? Do you think they all had shit immune systems or co morbidities as well? Smallpox killed an estimated 500 million people in the last century before it was irradiated by vaccines. It had been around for at least 4000 years. Go read up on it yourself. 
 

 

How about?

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12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

How about?

Ya. How about? Why didn't their magic immune systems protect them from those new viruses. In the Pacific, entire islands were depopulated by whalers and other European visitors who brought new diseases like smallpox. We all know what happened to North American aboriginal populations. Cortes didn't conquer the Aztecs, smallpox did 90% of the job for him. Why didn't their immune systems protect them. Yellow fever killed Europeans in droves before vaccines. The West Indies were referred to as the Fever Islands in the 18th and 19th century. British army regiments and warships stationed there would often lose over half their compliments in a year to disease.

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8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

People who need an organ transplant are often immune compromised, and should not or cannot be given vaccine.

Not that you would know anything about that, or ever give it a thought.

You should go and google some more.

They are immune compromised. Immune compromised people are most in need of vaccines because their own immune system is so weak.  That's why they are at the top of the list for boosters.

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2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Ya. How about? Why didn't their magic immune systems protect them from those new viruses. In the Pacific, entire islands were depopulated by whalers and other European visitors who brought new diseases like smallpox. We all know what happened to North American aboriginal populations. Cortes didn't conquer the Aztecs, smallpox did 90% of the job for him. Why didn't their immune systems protect them. Yellow fever killed Europeans in droves before vaccines. The West Indies were referred to as the Fever Islands in the 18th and 19th century. British army regiments and warships stationed there would often lose over half their compliments in a year to disease.

Relevance to current situation? Apples, etc. Don't waste time drowning man. Go down, go the hell down.

I'll go with facts, not your emotional what if's. In the case of Covid we now have documented so well who is in the high risk group, and who is not. I am not.

In fact it's been clear since early on, the data never changed much. 99+ percent chance of living. The numbers who survived did improve mainly thanks to therapeutics. It was already going down before the vaccines were being given. That is thanks to medical experts, not politicians and their shutdown, and not due to the vaccine.

So I don't need your chemical magic hocus-pocus bullshit. You are still free to inject it as often as you wish.

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7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They are immune compromised. Immune compromised people are most in need of vaccines because their own immune system is so weak.  That's why they are at the top of the list for boosters.

Vaccines are not advisable for people with certain conditions, blood diseases for one. That's what I meant. I'm not a doctor but I learned many things from people.

You can google it. Remember to use the "-Covid" argument in your search expressions. (the bullshit filter)

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18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Relevance to current situation? Apples, etc. Don't waste time drowning man. Go down, go the hell down.

I'll go with facts, not your emotional what if's. In the case of Covid we now have documented so well who is in the high risk group, and who is not. I am not.

In fact it's been clear since early on, the data never changed much. 99+ percent chance of living. The numbers who survived did improve mainly thanks to therapeutics. It was already going down before the vaccines were being given. That is thanks to medical experts, not politicians and their shutdown, and not due to the vaccine.

So I don't need your chemical magic hocus-pocus bullshit. You are still free to inject it as often as you wish.

I thought our magic immune systems had protected us from everything forever. What happened to that line?

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2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Vaccines are not advisable for people with certain conditions, blood diseases for one. That's what I meant. I'm not a doctor but I learned many things from people.

You can google it. Remember to use the "-Covid" argument in your search expressions. (the bullshit filter)

You obviously haven't learned much from doctors. 

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  • CDC recommends that people with moderately to severely compromised immune systems receive an additional dose of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine at least 28 days after a second dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccineor Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine.
  • This additional dose is intended to improve immunocompromised people’s response to their initial vaccine series

 

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12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Sorry bubba i already have my shots, .....but i do believe in making choices freely...and with every choice there is a consequence or should i say a reasonable consequence. it should have stopped at staying at home, not going out to non essential places for your safety and theirs..

but we are taking this to a whole new level , to say FU your choice is going to cost you your life thats where i draw the line...That is not just a choice thats a life and death decision for "what" to force them to get a vaccination, so you can feel safe, and say F888K them and the reasons they have for not getting the shot ..... and you think that is a reasonable action...and your good with it because that is their choice. we all need to step up and take responsibility for our choices...and don't tell me the doctor is in clear just because he never made the first choice...He chose Not to provide vital medical aid, to prove a POINT...he might as well shot him with a pistol and just ended the whole thing, i mean dead is dead right now or months from now...

And if you are good with this then Im sorry i have to question your character, your morals and values.

 

Listen. I'll reserve my sympathy for the cancer patient who is willing to undergo the rigours of radiation and chemo just to extend their lives or try to improve their quality of life. Not some bozo who has been given a chance of life but it is willing throw it away because they won't take a vaccine that has been taken by billions and proven to be 99.9% harmless. 

My priorities, morals and values are just fine.

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11 hours ago, Aristides said:

Look, if someone decides to die just because they won't get vaccinated, that's all on them. It's their choice, no one elses. What unnecessary horses ass principle were you prepared to die for in Afghanistan? These people aren't hero's, they are just stupid.

Just because you don't understand or refuse to acknowledge their decision does not make it any less valid to them, and i'm pretty sure that having that decision approved by the rest of the country was not a factor. nor do they give a shit what you think... That is not what this is about  this is refusing to provide much needed medical aid to prove a point to force someone into doing something they don't want to do...

Why would i want to discuss what i was willing to risk my life in Afghanistan  with you, someone who does not know the value of life to start with. Sorry but i don't think you would understand any of the reasons.

I did not say they were hero's, but i do respect their decisions and their right to make them, just as i respect your decision to get the shot. We have gone from some minor restrictions like staying home no traveling to unnecessary places, and wearing a mask, measures that for the most part have defeated the first 3 waves, until recently we have decided that was not enough now we have to deny them medical services, take their jobs, destroy their lives, because they will not bend to our will nor will we even attempt to understand why they made that choice, Because they are wrong end of story and your right. 

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You obviously haven't learned much from doctors. 

 

That does not cover everybody. The CDC does not give directives for each individual case.

You can keep googling. I recommend you google to the before time, put -Covid.

Otherwise, all vague nonsense. There is a small percentage of people for whom the vaccines are not recommended. I don't see any room for them in this brave new world you are cheerleading for.

All I see is people denying they exist. Ok. I gotta gets back to my YouTube videos.

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1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Listen. I'll reserve my sympathy for the cancer patient who is willing to undergo the rigours of radiation and chemo just to extend their lives or try to improve their quality of life. Not some bozo who has been given a chance of life but it is willing throw it away because they won't take a vaccine that has been taken by billions and proven to be 99.9% harmless. 

My priorities, morals and values are just fine.

You don't know the WHY people are refusing to get vaccinated, nor do you care, all that is important to you is that your right, and they are wrong so much so that you don't care if they die or not....that is not even a consideration, which is why i asked you what is the next step ? where do you go from here? , i mean if your willing to see them die, would it bother you to round them up put them in camps, maybe hunt them down and end their problems right there...

99.9% harmless, well i guess that soldier that was placed in a coma to recover from getting his shot, he was just unlucky, or the other 4 soldiers that also had to be placed under medical observation , unlucky as well, and maybe it is just a fluke as you say. but it is enough to cause a pause to rethink getting the shot or not... today that soldier was deem unfit for military duty and will be released from the military, he is just 21 years old...if he was your son would you still want him to get the shot... and while we are talking about stats, from 19 to 40 years old with out any under lying medical conditions the odds of surviving covid has got to what again ? 

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1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Had nothing to do with vaccination.  It is clogged or blocked coronary arteries.  Vaccination doesn't cause that.

Was there any causation which was lifestyle related?

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Just now, cougar said:

Was there any causation which was lifestyle related?

I know what your driving at.  Like many people with heart conditions or strokes, lifestyle probably had a lot to do with it.  But the point is everyone has been repeatedly warned about Covid and should have been vaccinated by now.  So there is not much excuse for those who refuse to get vaccinated in my opinion.  It is not difficult to get vaccinated.  It only takes a few seconds.  Controlling one's lifestyle is an ongoing process which requires a major effort for some people every moment of their lives.  That makes it far more difficult or next to impossible for some people than just getting vaccinated.  

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35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I know what your driving at.  Like many people with heart conditions or strokes, lifestyle probably had a lot to do with it.  But the point is everyone has been repeatedly warned about Covid and should have been vaccinated by now. 

Those who are not vaccinated do not need an excuse.  It is their choice and their right.  Just like it is your right to smoke , get lung cancer and then expect treatment at the hospital.

As many have said it before:  If your vaccination keeps you safe why are you asking me to vaccinate?  If it doesn't keep you safe, why are you asking me to vaccinate?

Don't answer.  You have nothing more to say anyways.

 

And don't expect me to take the risk of useless vaccination because changing your smoking or drug addiction style "requires a major effort".  How pathetic!

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21 minutes ago, cougar said:

Those who are not vaccinated do not need an excuse.  It is their choice and their right.  Just like it is your right to smoke , get lung cancer and then expect treatment at the hospital.

As many have said it before:  If your vaccination keeps you safe why are you asking me to vaccinate?  If it doesn't keep you safe, why are you asking me to vaccinate?

Don't answer.  You have nothing more to say anyways.

 

And don't expect me to take the risk of useless vaccination because changing your smoking or drug addiction style "requires a major effort".  How pathetic!

No, I don't smoke or take drugs.  What you eat or how much you eat doesn't affect other people.  But not getting vaccinated does threaten the safety and lives of other people.  

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3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Just because you don't understand or refuse to acknowledge their decision does not make it any less valid to them, and i'm pretty sure that having that decision approved by the rest of the country was not a factor. nor do they give a shit what you think... That is not what this is about  this is refusing to provide much needed medical aid to prove a point to force someone into doing something they don't want to do...

Why would i want to discuss what i was willing to risk my life in Afghanistan  with you, someone who does not know the value of life to start with. Sorry but i don't think you would understand any of the reasons.

I did not say they were hero's, but i do respect their decisions and their right to make them, just as i respect your decision to get the shot. We have gone from some minor restrictions like staying home no traveling to unnecessary places, and wearing a mask, measures that for the most part have defeated the first 3 waves, until recently we have decided that was not enough now we have to deny them medical services, take their jobs, destroy their lives, because they will not bend to our will nor will we even attempt to understand why they made that choice, Because they are wrong end of story and your right. 

If you turn down a life saving transplant on nothing more than principle, that's your problem and no one else's. They can stamp their feet and scream like infants having a temper tantrum all they want, doctors have more important things to deal with.

I don't care if you respect my decision to get a shot or not, as long as you respect the right to make a decision. We have to respect a persons right to make decisions, there is no way we have to respect the decisions they make, especially the bad ones.

We are not denying anyone medical services, they are denying themselves by the decisions they make. 

I don't care whether they bend or not or why they made that choice. That's their problem, not mine or anyone else's.

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