Canada at the start of Delta dominated fourth Covid wave, so get vaccinated to save lives.

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

You should look into what states have the lowest vaccination rates. Hint, it's not New York or California. 

And you should look into which populations within those states are less vaccinated, ie African Americans and Hispanics.  But that doesn’t fit your bullshit narrative.

[OftenWrong]

15 minutes ago, Argus said:

No, you actually can't. Conspiracy loonies and Russian bots are all you got.

Intelligent people who are experts in immunology and still practicing. There’s nothing conspiratorial about demanding more be done to protect elderly in LTC facilities. Or for demanding to build covid clinics to take pressure off ER’s. Stop giving money to keep people home, use it to build support infrastructure instead.

But no... carry on masking and closing down whatever some government beaurocrat decides is non essential. 

Just that alone. Sorry, no russian bots, its boring old stupidity, incompetence and the usual manipulations.

[OftenWrong]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

Trudeau is trying to keep people from getting vaccinated?

Trudeau caused problems for Canadians by encouraging our unorthodox approach to mixing and blending vaccines.

Trudeau is a rich boy who wants to change the world and is using Canada as his sandbox. He likes what the pandemic is doing to this country in some ways, ans said so. He wouldnt mind if it continues even longer. Get it?

 

[OftenWrong]

10 minutes ago, Shady said:

And you should look into which populations within those states are less vaccinated, ie African Americans and Hispanics.  But that doesn’t fit your bullshit narrative.

I heard in a lot of places it’s wide open, who gives a heck anymore let’s go three sheets to the wind. Places like Nashville.

In Alberta they’ve said to heck with this shit, they are opening up now with all measures removed.

I guess that makes them cowards to people like Argus.

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by OftenWrong

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I heard in a lot of places it’s wide open, who gives a heck anymore let’s go three sheets to the wind. Places like Nashville.

In Alberta they’ve said to heck with this shit, they are opening up now with all measures removed.

I guess that makes them cowards to people like Argus.

 

Exactly.  Vaccines are widely available.  If somebody doesn’t want to get it, it effects me in no way as I’ve been fully vaccinated.  In fact, it’s actually been vaccinated people spreading the virus to the unvaccinated.  Regardless, at some point, personal responsibility must take over our policy.  People have the information they need, if they chose not to be vaccinated, that’s on them.  It’s time to open things up and live life again.

[OftenWrong]

13 minutes ago, Winston said:

By those number it indicates that out of 1200 vaccinated infected people, 150 vaccinated people died, that is a 12.5 % death rate.  I am assuming this is incorrect or those numbers have no relation? 

I’m assuming the numbers are bullshit. They try to make an ass out of you and me.

I heard 40% of cases in the UK are either single or double vaccinated. That’s from a country that knows how to keep medical records.

[OftenWrong]

Cant find the original link but here is one.

In the U.K., it was reported last week that 40%of confirmed Delta variant patients admitted to hospital had received at least one dose of vaccine.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/07/22/among-fully-vaccinated-breakthrough-covid-19-infections-are-more-common-than-previously-thought-does-it-matter/?sh=7743d0615aef

See, I shit

you people not

only ye of little faith

do not believe in OftenWrong

but come on back anytime you want

and I’ll be more than happy

to make your eyes water

Edited August 1, 2021 by OftenWrong

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

This is silly. 

You are suggesting what? A conspiracy among scientists, doctors and other health care professionals? For what reason? Because they're all climate change nuts?

Well not exactly.  I’m suggesting that there’s a big movement well underway to shut down the pre-pandemic way of life, absolutely.  I don’t know whether C-19 was intentionally released, but I do know that it provides the pretext for shutting down and/or controlling how most people prefer to live.  The precedent is set.  You can be made to stay home except for essential trips indefinitely. You can be kept apart from people who aren’t members of your household.  Soon, you may require a passport containing your health information in order to conduct essential activities.  If you don’t think these tactics can be used for reasons beyond preventing a likelihood of serious illness or death... Well, we’re already being convinced to continue to require masks of vaccinated people, restrict their travel, and limit the number of people who can congregate.

The climate change scare is well underway and the forest fires are proof enough for many in government.

Edited August 1, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[dialamah]

32 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Cant find the original link but here is one.

In the U.K., it was reported last week that 40%of confirmed Delta variant patients admitted to hospital had received at least one dose of vaccine.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/07/22/among-fully-vaccinated-breakthrough-covid-19-infections-are-more-common-than-previously-thought-does-it-matter/?sh=7743d0615aef

See, I shit

you not

only ye of little faith

do not believe in OftenWrong

but come on back anytime you want

and I’ll be more than happy

to make your eyes water

Also from your link:

In the Netherlands, hospitals are reporting this month that approximately 75% of hospital admissions are unvaccinated individuals, but 9% of hospitalizations are fully vaccinated individuals who are not immunocompromised, 5% are fully vaccinated, immunocompromised individuals, 

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You gotta step away from the propaganda machine bro.

Just remember that the same people who lied to you all along about C19 are the same ones who are telling you that you are in a position to look down your nose at unvaccinated people.

If you don't think that they're liars, look at all of the things that they said about HCQ when we first heard that it might help to fight covid.

Sure, there was a chance that HCQ was useless, probably even a 90% chance, but it was never a risk to kill people or make them go blind, and that's what the disinformation specialists starting blurting out frantically. You need to consume a full Kg of HCQ to start experiencing vision problems (5 years of dosing), but if you take a year off HCQ you can start again.

People are dying of the vaccination. Not just a few, a lot. And with the vaxx it's not just elderly folks with co-morbidities that are dying. That's another fact. 

This has nothing to do with conspiracies, or mind control, it's verifiable facts. 

Not sure what the message here is, that C-19 is fake or the vax is fake or both ...What i do know is there is a virus and people have died from it, to increase your survival there is a shot to do that,

 Why would all world governments decide to make anything up anything. unless to spread world wide panic what would there to be gained ? ,C-19 has claimed a lot of lives as well I'm sure more than the total deaths from the VAX. 

I guess only time will tell who is right and who is wrong, everyone has a choice to make, hope you make the right one...

Edited August 1, 2021 by Army Guy

[Zeitgeist]

Crises are click bait.  You can sell a lot of advertising space by flogging pandemic fear.  I’m seeing now how hard it will be to exit pandemic conditions, not because of actual health risk but public fear.   Too many frightened impressionable zombies.  

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Because of idiot Republicans who won't take the vaccine even though it was developed under their orange god.

Did you honestly not hear the CDC admitting they were wrong about how effective the vaccines were at preventing infection and stopping the spread? We're in luck though although more contagious the variant isn't that fatal. They want you masked up because of the contagion factor but they don't want to tell you you're in no real danger. Not even flu levels.

You don't have a clue what the current science is yet you want to strut about like the guy with all the knowledge.

It's more or less like this currently. Try to catch up:

Quote

Dr Peter Chin-Hong, a professor of medicine and infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, said the report is like receiving a mix of good news and bad news. 

'The bad news is sure, it seems the Delta variant can cause breakthrough infections in vaccinated people. And the other bad news is they are likely to be able to spread it,' he told DailyMail.com.

'The good news is it's still not causing a lot of illness. No matter how you slice and divide the pie, people are not getting really ill if they've been vaccinated. 

 

However this idea there's good news because the vaccinated aren't getting that ill is sleight of hand. You can see the way it's done clearly here:

Quote

A bombshell headline dropped on Axios this morning that was intended to assuage concerns over the Delta Variant infecting vaccinated Americans. Titled, “Chart: Less than 0.1% of vaccinated Americans infected with COVID-19,” it was an obvious means of saying, “Hey, don’t listen to the anti-vaxxers, just get vaxxed!”

They went through the numbers and highlighted how rare it is for an unvaccinated person to get infected. This comes on the heels of a week in which news continued to break about “breakthrough cases” rising in the nation.

While they went into great detail about how less than 0.1% of vaccinated people are getting infected, they omitted on extremely important fact. Less than 0.1% of UNVACCINATED people are getting infected as well.

But back in may before the variant scare this below was happening according to the hidden CDC report the Washington Post revealed yesterday.

So vaccinated people have been getting infected even before the variant and the CDC knew about it. The information is coming out now and the guys that hid the data would like to use it to get the lockdowns going again soon.

Curiously enough though even though this variant is more contagious it's not killing so many people - vaccinated or unvaccinated. So what's with the sudden need for lockdowns?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Also from your link:

In the Netherlands, hospitals are reporting this month that approximately 75% of hospital admissions are unvaccinated individuals, but 9% of hospitalizations are fully vaccinated individuals who are not immunocompromised, 5% are fully vaccinated, immunocompromised individuals, 

How many of the vaccinated who end up hospitalized with Covid have actually died?   The Cape Cod outbreak data being used to justify masking the vaccinated had no deaths among those who were vaccinated and got the virus.

[Aristides]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

They can sign a form indicating to the school that their child must wear a mask at school.  Schools will enforce parents’ wishes.  

Putting a mask on your kid will do a lot more to protect other kids than it will yours. But hey, I thought masks didn't work.

Edited August 1, 2021 by Aristides

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Also from your link:

In the Netherlands, hospitals are reporting this month that approximately 75% of hospital admissions are unvaccinated individuals, but 9% of hospitalizations are fully vaccinated individuals who are not immunocompromised, 5% are fully vaccinated, immunocompromised individuals, 

Terrible, in’t it.

Undercounting is legion. Or something.

Or what part of “I’ll go with a country that knows how to keep medical records” do you not understand?

 

[Zeitgeist]

52 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Putting a mask on your kid will do a lot more to protect other kids than it will yours. But hey, I thought masks didn't work.

Masks help but requiring the vaccinated to mask is over the top, unless you think that people should remain masked for the rest of their lives, because if the virus will continue to circulate among the vaccinated, it is never going away, even though it’s highly unlikely that anyone who is vaccinated will get seriously ill from Covid.  So, the unvaccinated should mask up, but requiring the vaccinated to mask up to protect the unvaccinated won’t encourage people to get the vaccine.  It will only ensure that we wear masks universallly forever, because there will always be a portion of society who are unvaccinated, even if vaccination is mandatory.  For example, it’s unlikely that babies or toddlers will be vaccinated.    

Edited August 1, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[dialamah]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So, the unvaccinated should mask up, but requiring the vaccinated to mask up to protect the unvaccinated won’t encourage people to get the vaccine.  

My DiL isn't able to be vaccinated for medical reasons.  I'm fine wearing a mask to protect her from any random viruses I might be lugging around with me.

Must be disappointing to be "vulnerable" to Covid and unable to get vaccinated, and know that there are people who won't get vaccinated because they think the threat is too miniscule for them.  Pretty obvious that their previous mantra of "protect the vulnerable" was just so much bullshit, given that their opportunity to do just that is here and they're basically saying "fuck the vulnerable".  

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Terrible, in’t it.

Undercounting is legion. Or something.

Or what part of “I’ll go with a country that knows how to keep medical records” do you not understand?

 

What part of cherry picking your "facts" and dismissing everything else do you not understand.

[Zeitgeist]

17 minutes ago, dialamah said:

My DiL isn't able to be vaccinated for medical reasons.  I'm fine wearing a mask to protect her from any random viruses I might be lugging around with me.

Must be disappointing to be "vulnerable" to Covid and unable to get vaccinated, and know that there are people who won't get vaccinated because they think the threat is too miniscule for them.  Pretty obvious that their previous mantra of "protect the vulnerable" was just so much bullshit, given that their opportunity to do just that is here and they're basically saying "fuck the vulnerable".  

People who can be vaccinated should get vaccinated.  There’s less viral spread among the vaccinated.  People who can’t get a vaccine will have to take extra precautions, including masking.  I think it’s around 10 percent of the population who can’t currently get the vaccine. Among that 10 percent most are children who could fight the virus.  I guess the question is, do we turn everyone into a “boy in the plastic bubble” or only the vulnerable?  There are health impacts from imposing restrictions on everyone.  We don’t take all cars off the road to prevent car accidents.  

Edited August 1, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[OftenWrong]

33 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Must be disappointing to be "vulnerable" to Covid and unable to get vaccinated, and know that there are people who won't get vaccinated because they think the threat is too miniscule for them. 

Shouldnt be. The principle is the same for both. The needs and rights of individuals should be protected, and that has to be spelled out now.

Lest the mindless cattle stampede right over people with special needs.

[Winston]

43 minutes ago, dialamah said:

My DiL isn't able to be vaccinated for medical reasons.  I'm fine wearing a mask to protect her from any random viruses I might be lugging around with me.

Must be disappointing to be "vulnerable" to Covid and unable to get vaccinated, and know that there are people who won't get vaccinated because they think the threat is too miniscule for them.  Pretty obvious that their previous mantra of "protect the vulnerable" was just so much bullshit, given that their opportunity to do just that is here and they're basically saying "fuck the vulnerable".  

Interesting that there is not a motion to pay/compensate people once they are vaccinated. Although ridiculous, such a system could exist down the road. A lump sum or payment plan could be made, but this does boarder on unethical practices. 

 

[OftenWrong]

10 hours ago, dialamah said:

What part of cherry picking your "facts" and dismissing everything else do you not understand.

Not cherry picking. Those things are happening, whether you like it or not.

[RedDog]

According to Global we're up 81% in new cases in the past 14 days. Most things are wide open and it shows. I'm starting to think this virus and the spin off variants aren't going anywhere soon. I don't want unvaccinated people anywhere near me. Circumstances are virtually begging for vaccine passports.

[Argus]

Covid skeptics have been proven wrong again and again and again. But like other conspiracy types, they refuse to accept reality.

When I last wrote about the rise of the coronavirus cranks for Quillette on January 16th, there were 37,000 people in British hospitals with COVID-19, and 1,411 COVID-related deaths on that day alone. The story that self-described sceptics had been telling themselves since the summer was a smoking ruin. As far back as June 2020, they had been announcing that the virus had run its course, that herd immunity had been achieved, and that there would be no second wave. They then dismissed a resurgence of the infection rate in August and September as a “casedemic”—a fraudulent illusion built on a glut of false positives produced by unreliable over-testing.

The founder of the Lockdown Sceptics blog, Toby Young, claimed in June that the “virus has melted into thin air,” and predicted that “there will be no ‘second spike’—not now, and not in the autumn either.” In September, YouTube personality and low-carb entrepreneur Ivor Cummins declared that “the epidemic is over.” Asked what it would take to prove him wrong, he tweeted: “Simple. Excess mortality this winter is far higher than 2018 or 2015 same months—directly driven by Covid19. Period. Anything else, and I am correct.” At the end of November, Michael Yeadon, doyen of the deniers thanks to his credentials as a former Pfizer scientist, wrote that “the pandemic was over by June” and dismissed the case numbers as “an artefact of a deranged testing system.”

All of these endlessly circulated delusions lay in tatters by the end of December when more than 50,000 Britons were testing positive for the virus each day and a similar number were going undiagnosed, but the smiley community (so-called for their adoption of the yellow smiley face as a badge of their resistance to alleged fear-mongering about the virus) stubbornly held the line. Distrustful of doctors and death certificates, they would accept no evidence except excess deaths. Some of them would not even accept that measure and demanded to see figures for burial and cremations. A surprisingly large number knew funeral directors who told them that business had never been quieter. Very suspicious.

https://quillette.com/2021/07/28/vaccines-and-the-coronavirus-crank-crisis/

[Argus]

Vaccinated people are ready for normality and angry at the unvaccinated for getting in the way.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

A return to their carefree, pre-pandemic visits appeared within reach, tantalizing Stacey Graves and her boyfriend with promises of coffee in the cafe and sunshine on the patio.

After getting her second dose of a coronavirus vaccine, Graves felt ready to brave the long bus ride to the rehabilitation facility where he lives. They could meet only masked and outdoors for 45 minutes, per the hospital’s policy. But as infections plunged in the spring, the rules seemed destined to loosen.

A feeling of perilous instability now pervades the couple’s time together. As the hyper-contagious delta variant threatens her modicum of comfort, Graves is reevaluating whether the trips are safe. And she misses the simplicity of their restriction-less visits.

“I don’t have that now. And I don’t know when I’m going to,” said Graves, 64. “And I’m very angry.”

Specifically, she’s furious at those eligible to get vaccinated who refuse, citing misinformation or a desire to make a political statement. Graves, who lives in New York City, said she’s more understanding of those who worry the vaccines were rushed to market or people of color whose communities have been historically mistreated by medical professionals. But Graves said she worries about getting long-term symptoms if she contracts a rare breakthrough infection of covid-19.

An unwelcome resurgence of the coronavirus has caused a groundswell of impatience, frustration and even rage from Americans who got their shots months ago toward those whose resistance won’t budge. States are reimplementing mask requirements, corporations are delaying their returns to the office and support is building for more coercive ways to tamp down the virus’s spread, including vaccine mandates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/31/vaccinated-angry-at-unvaccinated/?utm_source=reddit.com