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8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1. Things don’t magically change 180 degrees overnight after decades of being the exact opposite just because one person makes vague promises of change that a significant number of his followers oppose. 
 

2. I’m not saying o’toole is going to champion the culture wars

3. but those right wing pundits as well as factions within the CPC who are have already been pushing that agenda in the media and public dialogue aren’t going to magically disappear and they will have to be placated from time to time to shore up the conservative base. 

1. Well, the promises were pretty specific.  I'm not saying that these are even believable promises, but it's certainly nothing like continuance of a culture war.
2. Oh, I thought you were.  Sorry.
3. But you can certainly imagine change happening can't you ?   If so, how would it happen over time ?  Maybe some progressive-type promises seeping in, even if they're not kept.  Then more of the same ?

As someone who was on the left at certain points of my life, I disdain the tendency to deny ourselves that things change sometimes.

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On 7/19/2021 at 8:56 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Trudeau gave the CBC $695M right after the 2015 federal election. Do you think they've forgotten his (taxpayer-funded) generosity?

Try to find a poll anywhere from the CBC that showed the Conservatives tied or ahead in 2019 - it doesn't exist. Yet somehow, the conservatives got more votes than the libs. The problem is that a lot of them came from out west, where the votes are only worth 60% of what they're worth in the maritimes. 

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5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

All the political right has to offer:

 

1) A continuation of the austerity measures of the past 40 years that have destroyed the working and middle classes for the benefit of corporations and billionaires.

Income inequality started to reverse when Harper came to power due to progressive tax changes which helped the lower and middle class - according to a PBO report in 2016. The Left continues to work that tired old cliche, based on Americanisms, that conservatives favour the wealthy and corporations. But big business goes where the power is and for most of the past fifty years that's been the Liberals. The Liberals have shown this again and again in their favoured treatment of corporate Canada and the friendship of Liberal leaders with Canada's wealthiest billionaires.

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

2) Amped-up American-style culture wars and fake controversies 

The culture wars in Canada are being driven by the Left, pushing American social justice beliefs, American leftist urban culture and American style moralizing and contempt against all who refuse to be 'woke' like them. 

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

3) Climate change denial and pandering to the dying fossil fuel industry 

The fossil fuel industry isn't dying, employs 800,000 Canadians and brings in tens of billions of dollars in taxes which help pay for all those expensive government programs the urban elites so adore but refuse to pay for themselves. The war against Canada's raw resource industries by the elitist urban left in combination with their desire for ever more government programs is going to bankrupt Canada.

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Voters aren’t interested in any of these things and will gladly take Trudeau’s various personal foibles, gaffes and mini-scandals instead. 

Voters aren't interested in honest, responsible, capable government? I don't think you can speak for everyone, chum. A lot of us are.

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3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Provincial politics don't usually reflect Federal politics. The east coast has been Federally Liberal for a long time and will stay that way.

I think, everything happening around us right now - Covid, wild fires, rising prices, Afghanistan, Indigenuous people, including the way the  government handled  situations, etc.  - can actually make it hard to read how people feel. 

Anger, frustrations, fear and uncertainty could make this into a volatile situation as far as who a person actually votes for on that particular day. 

 

I think O'Toole had handled the press well yesterday.  He seems to manage to make a dig - even with Saijjan (regarding Saijjan's own Afghan interpreters who were begging Saijjan, whom he had failed to assist).

  It looks like Trudeau is on the defensive judging from the way he's been peppered with questions by the media.

 

Biden is in deep shit right now for what looks like the failure to conduct a well-planned assistance to Afghan allies.  It's not that long ago that Canadian vets were on CBC, emotional and blasting Trudeau for the way he's handling the evacuation of Afghan allies.  Trudeau is on the same shit page as Biden.  As long as Biden is on the news regarding this fiasco - Canadians will be reminded of Trudeau.  The Opposition(s) will see to that.

 

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19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Keep the insults coming.  Eastern Canada will remain the punching bag for all of you ingrates...

I think this is your kryptonite, slagging Ontario...your normally not that easy to reply to such things...

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5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

All the political right has to offer:

1) A continuation of the austerity measures of the past 40 years that have destroyed the working and middle classes for the benefit of corporations and billionaires.

2) Amped-up American-style culture wars and fake controversies 

3) Climate change denial and pandering to the dying fossil fuel industry 

Voters aren’t interested in any of these things and will gladly take Trudeau’s various personal foibles, gaffes and mini-scandals instead. 

What a crock of shit.

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1) A continuation of the austerity measures of the past 40 years that have destroyed the working and middle classes for the benefit of corporations and billionaires.

A balanced budget isn't "austerity". It's just good governance. 

The exact opposite is being a buffoon, and letting covid into the country so that you can rack up deficits in the hundreds of billions, while you're also giving out billions of dollars to sycophant media and tens of billions to foreign dictators.

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2) Amped-up American-style culture wars and fake controversies 

Qu' est-ce que f'ork? This is literally ALL that leftists do. They don't even do anything else.

  • "Pigs are genocidal murderers, let's have riots!"
  • "Cracka terrorists are our biggest concern!"
  • "There's a genocide against native women!"
  • "The conservatives are all racist!"
  • "Systemic racism is everywhere!"
  • "The hijab hoax might have been slightly fake, but Canadians are still horrible."
  • "Residential Schools were set up exclusively to rape and murder children. Probably none of the graves are from Spanish flu or smallpox."
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3) Climate change denial and pandering to the dying fossil fuel industry 

Yes, conservatives hate arson being used as a political weapon. 

This isn't an example of supporting a dying industry, it's about supporting Canadian industry over the Saudis and other countries who have had a monopoly on the Trudeau family gas stations for decades. 

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Trudeau’s various personal foibles, gaffes and mini-scandals instead. 

Foibles like "bitches experience my groping differently"? Mini-scandals like when he funnelled $500,000.00 to his family through We and the tried to set up a billion-dollar Hitler Youth camp with them using taxpayer money and We's shiny Trudeau propaganda? When he gave his CBC propagandists $695,000,000.00 and then gave select sycophant media $600,000,000.00 and then he gave $61,000,000.00 to select media outlets on an emergency (and totally secret) basis so that they could 'cover the 2021 election'? The time he created a law to help a criminal entity escape justice and then fired the AG because she wouldn't bend laws for them? 

Trudeau is a sleezebag who funnels government money to his family, and he's an idiot who bungled covid far worse than any other leader in the world. Literally every single step that he took was wrong, and he even had to poach 2 million vaccines from the 3rd world charity pool because he was so far behind the rest of the world. We took on hundreds of billions in debt and thousands of Canadians died because of how badly he 'fought' against covid. 

The photo of him with the teddy bear over the grave is him at his 'best', and it's just pathetic that he used dead children as an election prop.

The fact that Canadians already elected him twice is a blight on democracy. 

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6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

All the political right has to offer:

 

1) A continuation of the austerity measures of the past 40 years that have destroyed the working and middle classes for the benefit of corporations and billionaires.

2) Amped-up American-style culture wars and fake controversies 

3) Climate change denial and pandering to the dying fossil fuel industry 

Voters aren’t interested in any of these things and will gladly take Trudeau’s various personal foibles, gaffes and mini-scandals instead. 

Have you looked at the Conservative platform, lots of spending going on in fact it is spread out over 10 years... i seem to recall that very promise from Justin ....but hey politicians can promise the moon and deliver piles of bullshit.

Aga Khan was not fake, costumes in India was not fake,3 times Black face was not fake, groping allegations were not fake, SNC was not fake, nor was all the lying and cover ups fake... And how they handled the Justice minister not fake, WE scandal not fake, Signing on to the new NATO charter, and then telling the world Canada has no intentions of spending the 2 % that was not fake, Not to mention the long list of failed promises they are not fake, not to mention all the cock ups on important files they are not fake... Canada has had enough of fake ...

This is a myth, why is it that the conservatives have a climate change plan, it may not be up to liberal standards, but then again liberals have not got much to stand on except a lot of promises not yet kept or put into action...taxing the shit out of fossil fuels is not going to get us any where. 

Voters are interested , and the fat lady has not sung just yet... where you see nothing but fear, i see hope...

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35 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Keep the insults coming.  Eastern Canada will remain the punching bag for all of you ingrates...

A little sensitive are we Michael?  The rest of Canada's perception of Ontario may not be flattering . . . . but, to spare your insecurities and fears, perhaps you can report all unflattering posts to a moderator.  Oh wait, you are a moderator!  

Ontario/Quebec are the unclothed monarchs of Canada . . . . . ?  

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57 minutes ago, betsy said:

I think, everything happening around us right now - Covid, wild fires, rising prices, Afghanistan, Indigenuous people, including the way the  government handled  situations, etc.  - can actually make it hard to read how people feel. 

Anger, frustrations, fear and uncertainty could make this into a volatile situation as far as who a person actually votes for on that particular day. 

 

I think O'Toole had handled the press well yesterday.  He seems to manage to make a dig - even with Saijjan (regarding Saijjan's own Afghan interpreters who were begging Saijjan, whom he had failed to assist).

  It looks like Trudeau is on the defensive judging from the way he's been peppered with questions by the media.

 

Biden is in deep shit right now for what looks like the failure to conduct a well-planned assistance to Afghan allies.  It's not that long ago that Canadian vets were on CBC, emotional and blasting Trudeau for the way he's handling the evacuation of Afghan allies.  Trudeau is on the same shit page as Biden.  As long as Biden is on the news regarding this fiasco - Canadians will be reminded of Trudeau.  The Opposition(s) will see to that.

 

You have some good points up there. I just don't see O'Toole as Prime Minister of Canada. Not sure why but he just doesn't look like one. I also believe Trudeau should have waited for May of next year to call an election. He rushed and mislead by all polls putting him ahead by wide margin.

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6 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You have some good points up there. I just don't see O'Toole as Prime Minister of Canada. Not sure why but he just doesn't look like one. I also believe Trudeau should have waited for May of next year to call an election. She rushed and mislead by all polls putting him ahead by wide margin.

He probably was truly ahead in the polls when he called for this.   I was already resigned to the fact that he'll get his majority.  But, it's strange days......everything is fluid.  Imagine Nova Scotia PC not only winning, but taking the majority!  They say it was the healthcare issue that mattered eventually.

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5 minutes ago, betsy said:

He probably was truly ahead in the polls when he called for this.   I was already resigned to the fact that he'll get his majority.  But, it's strange days......everything is fluid.  Imagine Nova Scotia PC not only winning, but taking the majority!  They say it was the healthcare issue that mattered eventually.

He is still ahead by 5 points but his lead has shrunken. 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-liberals-take-five-point-lead-in-poll-as-federal-election-campaign/

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8 hours ago, betsy said:

The cards don't look good for Trudeau - if we go by what just happened in Nova Scotia!

 

O'Tool, the stupid tool, just fired one of his conservative members from the Yukon for daring to question this sacred cow called covid. What a stupid buffoon O'tool has become. Now he is minus one conservative member to vote for in the next election. O'Tool probably just gave away that seat to a liberal or NDP member now. This O'Tool buffoon is worse than I ever thought. This idiot O'Tool guy is beyond stupid to me now. It's starting to maybe look a lot better for the liberals now. Hey, we never know,eh? 

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O'Toole's housing affordability platform sounds practical!   Won't allow foreign investors to purchase residential houses if not going to live in it - instead, encourage them to invest in rental housings!

 

I'm however, having a hard time swallowing his abortion policy.

 

If he wins, I see it as the end of traditional conservatism.  It'll be liberalism-lite.

 

BUT - I can deal with his BALANCED APPROACH TO RIGHTS.   He will allow conscience rights. 

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36 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What exactly is his/party position on abortion?

 

I'm pro-life - so, his being pro-choice is already a big problem for me.

 

  If indeed he's fighting for ALL rights - which excludes the right of the fetus, btw - then at least, I have something to agree with him about respecting right of conscience. 

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46 minutes ago, betsy said:

I'm pro-life - so, his being pro-choice is already a big problem for me.

 If indeed he's fighting for ALL rights - which excludes the right of the fetus, btw - then at least, I have something to agree with him about respecting right of conscience. 

Abortion and all its implications is such a personal decision, and really difficult for any man to comment on.  Just typing this/now  . . . . I'm very uncomfortable.  Can't imagine how any male politician can even comment on this sensitive topic.

Thankful that I'll never face this decision, and my heart goes out to the women that have to decide.

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On 8/18/2021 at 3:55 PM, taxme said:

O'Tool, the stupid tool, just fired one of his conservative members from the Yukon for daring to question this sacred cow called covid. What a stupid buffoon O'tool has become. Now he is minus one conservative member to vote for in the next election. O'Tool probably just gave away that seat to a liberal or NDP member now. This O'Tool buffoon is worse than I ever thought. This idiot O'Tool guy is beyond stupid to me now. It's starting to maybe look a lot better for the liberals now. Hey, we never know,eh? 

Easy. O'Toole is doing well. This is far from over. Lets get rid of Trudeau 1st, then things can be discussed.

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8 hours ago, betsy said:

Pro-Communist Trudeau and Singh doesn't care about rights.  They would gleefully squash others' rights for pro-choice.

 

Rights are...................EXPENDABLE to these two!

I wish there was a real conservative party.  I’d love to see a party leader stand up in front of the press and say, “I’m pro life and a social conservative.  I’m not thrilled about certain policies like gay marriage and I’m against right to die legislation that is a slippery slope towards euthanizing the elderly and patients who are expensive to treat.”

I’d also support a leader who says, “We’re over-spending and saddling future generations with debt, so my first order of business will be to slash spending across departments by 10%.”  Oh, and someone who raises honest questions about the values we’re importing under current immigration policy.

It should be someone who aggressively promotes cutting imports from China, making Canada more self-sufficient in health and defence, and diversifying trade so we’re less dependent on exports to the US. 

I’d also like to see an end to identity politics and race-based favouritism, actually favouritism of any kind.

End all the liberal pet projects and spend more on infrastructure that will make Canada more competitive, such as high speed rail.  Encourage research and development and investments in new equipment to boost productivity.

O’Toole isn’t a real conservative, but he’s probably the least damaging of the candidates.  It doesn’t matter. Trudeau will win because of his charisma. Policy is a secondary consideration for the public, unfortunately. O’Toole has some interesting incentives for business investment, especially on tax policy, but he’s planning to spend far too much in my opinion.

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11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Do you really think Trudeau and Singh are pro-communist or you are just saying that out of anger?

 

"The Liberal leader was asked which nation he admired most. He responded: "There's a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/justin-trudeau-s-foolish-china-remarks-spark-anger-1.2421351

 

 

O Canada: Trudeau’s Castro tribute raises eyebrows

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/world/justin-trudeau-castro-eulogy-parody/index.html

 

 

 

I'm not angry.  Just pointing out what, of course, supports their stance.

If Pro-Choice - Trudeau's emphasis is on WOMEN's choice -  negates the right of conscience (and also choices) of other people - then, he obviously thinks...................rights are expendable.  

 

Singh is a socialist.  He may be a nice guy.....but, he's still a socialist.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I wish there was a real conservative party.

 

 I wish so too.  We can have a drink on that and moan about it til Sep 20.

But here's our reality - and, here are our choices.

What are you going to do?

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