The paranoia against covid vaccination.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Yes I understand the point. We live in democracy and no one should be tied to a chair and forced a vaccine in his or her arm but what I don't understand is why the paranoia against vaccination is there at the first place. We are a nation of progressive thinking people mostly educated and still about 20% of eligible population have fully refused vaccines. In other countries they purposely go out without a mask to protest vaccination!!!! What the hell is going in their mind WHEN ALL EXISTING DATA AND EVIDENCE IS SUGGESTING THAT VACCINES ARE SAVING, HAVE SAVED AND WILL BE SAVING MANY MILLIONS OF LIVES!!!!!!!!

Canada is on its way to a fourth wave of COVID-19, according to one expert, but he said it will look very different depending on your vaccination status.

According to Dr. Colin Furness, an infection control epidemiologist and assistant professor at the Faculty of Information at the University of Toronto, there will be a stark divide between those who are fully or partially vaccinated and those who are unvaccinated.

We're going to have a fourth wave in the fall. I think that's pretty clear," Furness told Narcity via Zoom. "But the fourth wave will be driven by and suffered by unvaccinated people, millions of them."

Furness said it will be "rare" for a fully vaccinated person to end up in the ICU, and the numbers suggest it will be rare to even catch COVID-19 at all.

According to data from the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC), cases of COVID-19 in fully vaccinated Canadians make up approximately 0.5% of all reported COVID-19 cases since the vaccine rollout began.

Additionally, only 0.2% of Canadians who received a single dose of a COVID-19 vaccine reported a COVID-19 case after the fact.

So while fully vaccinated Canadians can relax a bit, Furness said caution is still required — especially in environments like large indoor gatherings.My message to anybody who's been vaccinated is you still want to be careful," he explained. "You don't want to expose yourself to COVID. You just don't want to do that."

What's the risk of being unvaccinated?

Furness cautioned that the risk of COVID-19 is much higher this summer than it was last summer for unvaccinated people, largely due to more dangerous strains of COVID-19.

 

"The Delta variant, for example, is about 50 or 60% more transmissible than [the Alpha variant, which is] 50 or 60% more transmissible than the original strain," Furness said. "So you're more than twice as likely to get infected in a given situation."

"Millions" of Canadians are still unvaccinated, Furness said, though he expects the number to go down as the risk becomes more and more evident for those without protection from COVID-19.

https://www.narcity.com/canadas-fourth-wave-will-look-different-depending-on-vaccination-status-expert-says

And I can attach many thousands more links.

 

THE FACT REMAINS THOSE WHO REFUSE VACCINATION WILL BE SPREADING THE VIRUS TO INNOCENT BYSTANDERS WHO ARE VACCINATED AND MAKE THEM SICK AND MUCH WORSE CAUSE VACCINE RESISTANCE MUTATIONS AND CAUSE THEM DEATH AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY CAUSE THE DEATH OF THOSE WHO FOR HEALTH REASONS CANNOT TAKE VACCINES, VERY SAD AND A VERY HIGH PRICE TO PAY FOR THIS SO CALLED FREEDOM OF CHOICE THEN HOW ABOUT OUR FREEDOM TO STAY ALIVE, NOT GET SICK WHILE HAVING TO BREATH SAME AIR AS UNVACCINATED VIRUS CARRIERS OR GET THE ECONOMY BACK TO ITS FEET AND GET OUR JOBS AND NORMAL LIFE BACK.

VERY VERY SELFISH OF THOSE WHO OUT OF PURE PARANOIA WOULD REFUSE VACCINAIONS!!!! THE GOVERNMENTS MUSH FIND THE BALLS AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE VACCINES MANDATORY FOR THOSE WHO CAN.

Edited July 16, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Shady]

On 7/15/2021 at 11:21 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes I understand the point. We live in democracy and no one should be tied to a chair and forced a vaccine in his or her arm but what I don't understand is why the paranoia against vaccination is there at the first place. We are a nation of progressive thinking people mostly educated and still about 20% of eligible population have fully refused vaccines. In other countries they purposely go out without a mask to protest vaccination!!!! What the hell is going in their mind WHEN ALL EXISTING DATA AND EVIDENCE IS SUGGESTING THAT VACCINES ARE SAVING, HAVE SAVED AND WILL BE SAVING MANY MILLIONS OF LIVES!!!!!!!!

Canada is on its way to a fourth wave of COVID-19, according to one expert, but he said it will look very different depending on your vaccination status.

According to Dr. Colin Furness, an infection control epidemiologist and assistant professor at the Faculty of Information at the University of Toronto, there will be a stark divide between those who are fully or partially vaccinated and those who are unvaccinated.

We're going to have a fourth wave in the fall. I think that's pretty clear," Furness told Narcity via Zoom. "But the fourth wave will be driven by and suffered by unvaccinated people, millions of them."

Furness said it will be "rare" for a fully vaccinated person to end up in the ICU, and the numbers suggest it will be rare to even catch COVID-19 at all.

According to data from the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC), cases of COVID-19 in fully vaccinated Canadians make up approximately 0.5% of all reported COVID-19 cases since the vaccine rollout began.

Additionally, only 0.2% of Canadians who received a single dose of a COVID-19 vaccine reported a COVID-19 case after the fact.

So while fully vaccinated Canadians can relax a bit, Furness said caution is still required — especially in environments like large indoor gatherings.My message to anybody who's been vaccinated is you still want to be careful," he explained. "You don't want to expose yourself to COVID. You just don't want to do that."

What's the risk of being unvaccinated?

Furness cautioned that the risk of COVID-19 is much higher this summer than it was last summer for unvaccinated people, largely due to more dangerous strains of COVID-19.

 

"The Delta variant, for example, is about 50 or 60% more transmissible than [the Alpha variant, which is] 50 or 60% more transmissible than the original strain," Furness said. "So you're more than twice as likely to get infected in a given situation."

"Millions" of Canadians are still unvaccinated, Furness said, though he expects the number to go down as the risk becomes more and more evident for those without protection from COVID-19.

https://www.narcity.com/canadas-fourth-wave-will-look-different-depending-on-vaccination-status-expert-says

And I can attach many thousands more links.

 

THE FACT REMAINS THOSE WHO REFUSE VACCINATION WILL BE SPREADING THE VIRUS TO INNOCENT BYSTANDERS WHO ARE VACCINATED AND MAKE THEM SICK AND MUCH WORSE CAUSE VACCINE RESISTANCE MUTATIONS AND CAUSE THEM DEATH AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY CAUSE THE DEATH OF THOSE WHO FOR HEALTH REASONS CANNOT TAKE VACCINES, VERY SAD AND A VERY HIGH PRICE TO PAY FOR THIS SO CALLED FREEDOM OF CHOICE THEN HOW ABOUT OUR FREEDOM TO STAY ALIVE, NOT GET SICK WHILE HAVING TO BREATH SAME AIR AS UNVACCINATED VIRUS CARRIERS OR GET THE ECONOMY BACK TO ITS FEET AND GET OUR JOBS AND NORMAL LIFE BACK.

VERY VERY SELFISH OF THOSE WHO OUT OF PURE PARANOIA WOULD REFUSE VACCINAIONS!!!! THE GOVERNMENTS MUSH FIND THE BALLS AND DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE VACCINES MANDATORY FOR THOSE WHO CAN.

Most of this is complete nonsense.  The odds of getting covid if you’re fully vaccinated is extremely low.  The odds from getting severely sick from it are infinitesimal.  Stop spreading fear.  Regardless, you cannot force somebody to take a drug they don’t want to take.  People have fundamental rights, and that doesn’t change for virus with a 99% survival rate.

How did we ever get past the 1918 pandemic when there were no vaccines? You should really look into that.

[CITIZEN_2015]

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Edited July 17, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

16 minutes ago, Shady said:

Most of this is complete nonsense.  The odds of getting covid if you’re fully vaccinated is extremely low.  The odds from getting severely sick from it are infinitesimal.  Stop spreading fear.  Regardless, you cannot force somebody to take a drug they don’t want to take.  People have fundamental rights, and that doesn’t change for virus with a 99% survival rate.

How did we ever get past the 1918 pandemic when there were no vaccines? You should really look into that.

The world population was under 2 billion in 1918 and 25 million died as a result of pandemic and a large portion of population got it so that herd immunity was established and it ended however, now with all the lockdowns we have had less than 5% infected a far cry from 70% needed to end pandemic.

Also you didn't get my point. The longer pandemic takes the more the damn virus has opportunity to mutate and the less effective vaccines become. 

I am not spreading fear I am trying to clarify the importance of getting vaccinated for those who for no reason refuse and become a danger to all of us. And yes we can force people to get vaccinated because there are a danger to everyone. It is like drunk driving or smoking in public places. Some people still don't understand why we banned them many years ago as some people claimed violation of their freedom of choice. Well NOT if your choice is endangering my life and other people's lives.

Edited July 17, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Winston]

On 7/17/2021 at 8:45 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I am not spreading fear I am trying to clarify the importance of getting vaccinated for those who for no reason refuse and become a danger to all of us. And yes we can force people to get vaccinated because there are a danger to everyone. It is like drunk driving or smoking in public places. Some people still don't understand why we banned them many years ago as some people claimed violation of their freedom of choice. Well NOT if your choice is endangering my life and other people's lives.

I agree that vaccinations can provide a sustainable approach to viral outbreaks. The polarity towards the vaccinations is fascinating. Regarding the paranoia, a few questions need to be addressed.

Do we know why people choose to delay or refuse vaccination? 

Do we know why people choose to take the vaccination? 

Can we integrate these polar perspectives? With the vaccinated addressing the concerns of those that are delaying or refusing vaccination.

 

[Argus]

If you want to know where people like Shady, Taxme and Infidel Dog are getting their anti-vax message you can see it right here. Apparently a shady Russian agency has been trying to pay influencers to talk against the Pfizer vaccine, giving them links to shady web sites with wrong information, and telling them how to talk up the danger. And you can bet this isn't the first such effort, nor are youtube influencers the only people being recruited to sell the message online.

"It started with an email" says Mirko Drotschmann, a German YouTuber and journalist.

Mirko normally ignores offers from brands asking him to advertise their products to his more than 1.5 million subscribers. But the sponsorship offer he received in May this year was unlike any other.

An influencer marketing agency called Fazze offered to pay him to promote what it said was leaked information that suggested the death rate among people who had the Pfizer vaccine was almost three times that of the AstraZeneca jab.

The information provided wasn't true.

Fazze's brief told influencers to share a story in French newspaper Le Monde about a data leak from the European Medicines Agency.

The story was genuine, but didn't include anything about vaccine deaths. But in this context it would give the false impression that the death rate statistics had come from the leak.

The data the influencers were asked to share had actually been cobbled together from different sources and taken out of context.

It presented the numbers of people who had died in several countries some time after receiving different Covid vaccines. But just because someone dies after having a vaccine doesn't mean they died because they had the vaccine. They could have been killed in a car accident.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57928647

Edited July 27, 2021 by Argus

[Michael Hardner]

17 minutes ago, Argus said:

  Apparently a shady Russian agency has been trying to pay influencers to talk against the Pfizer vaccine, giving them links to shady web sites with wrong information, and telling them how to talk up the danger. And you can bet this isn't the first such effort, nor are youtube influencers the only people being recruited to sell the message online.

This is how warfare is fought today.  Don't try talking to those guys though, because in a perfect Alice-through-the-looking-glass moment they will post [Russian supplied] disinformation on how you are following a conspiracy theory.

[H B Lowrey]

On 7/17/2021 at 11:34 AM, Shady said:

Most of this is complete nonsense.  The odds of getting covid if you’re fully vaccinated is extremely low.  The odds from getting severely sick from it are infinitesimal.  Stop spreading fear.  Regardless, you cannot force somebody to take a drug they don’t want to take.  People have fundamental rights, and that doesn’t change for virus with a 99% survival rate.

How did we ever get past the 1918 pandemic when there were no vaccines? You should really look into that.

No one has forced anyone in the US to take any drug they wanted to dodge with the possible exception of fluoride for tooth decay.  You might want to review the death toll of the 1918 pandemic.

Current US death toll 865,310 and counting.

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