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13 hours ago, Galloway said:

WTF, you think systemic racism is "a conspiracy theory"?  That's messed up, especially when everyone has access to the internet.    

Use your brain for Christ sake, it's all about discouraging one person here, and two people there.   Surely you  noticed that lots of elections are decided by very thin margins?  So you just need to discourage enough people to swing the election in your favour.  

Here's an article from Rice University that covers racism in public transit.  They use lots of data, feel free to dispute it.

https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/2020/08/24/transportation-racism-has-shaped-public-transit-america-inequalities

I just said that your theory about using voter ID as a means to stop black people from voting while allowing poor white people to vote was really stupid. It's a fact.

The best way to cheat at elections is basically to do exactly what the Leftists do, day in and day out. Cheat during the primaries, cheat at debates, randomly select your own speech writers to ask questions at town halls, pay the MSM off, get your family members into high positions at MSM broadcast centres, deny non-sycophant media access to ask questions to your leaders, use the federal police force as a political weapon, allow illegal immigrants to vote, mass-mail ballots to city centres where you have the most support and don't allow signature matching, etc. 

You'd have to be really fuckin' stupid to not be able to see who the actual election cheaters are. Your only accusation against conservatives is "poor black people are too stupid to get ID but poor white people are awesome at it" lol. 

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13 hours ago, Galloway said:

See the previous post.  It explains how systemic racism makes it harder for black people to travel on public transit than white people.  

Now they can't even ride the bus lol. You're insane.

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Government offices are placed to make access easy for white people. 

Government offices are in the urban centres. Guess where the majority of leftist voters live Galloway... Hint: it rhymes with erbun senters.

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13 hours ago, Galloway said:

So you must be privy to all communications between all parties involved to know there was no money (or other benefit) exchanged for services rendered.   

How did you come by this treasure trove of information?  Any chance you could share it with us?

If there was money or any other type of exchange the FBI would have known about it because they were onto that meeting before it took place. 

On the other hand, Hillary did give money to Perkins Coie which was sent to Christopher Steele who got intel from Russians which the FBI then lied to a FISA judge about. Seems pretty legit though, hey Galloway? 

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Meanwhile back in the real world,  @WestCanMan and the rest of the Trump worshippers are probably blissfully unaware that YET ANOTHER Russia-connected Trump associate is convicted of election-related crimes  It’s hard to keep count of all the Trump criminals we really need a scorecard  

In summary:

-Belarusian national and client of Giuliani whose Ukrainian partner was already convicted of similar and related crimes 

-Illegally donated hundreds of thousands to Trump campaign

- Illegally donated $1million and lobbied various politicians on behalf of a Russian national attempting  to obtain a marijuana distinction license 

- Was a source for Trumps BS Hunter Biden Ukraine claims

 

Former Giuliani associate Igor Fruman pleads guilty in campaign finance case
 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/igor-fruman-ex-associate-giuliani-says-he-will-plead-guilty-2021-09-10/

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On 9/8/2021 at 1:59 AM, Galloway said:

WTF, you think systemic racism is "a conspiracy theory"?  That's messed up, especially when everyone has access to the internet.    

Use your brain for Christ sake, it's all about discouraging one person here, and two people there.   Surely you  noticed that lots of elections are decided by very thin margins?  So you just need to discourage enough people to swing the election in your favour.  

Here's an article from Rice University that covers racism in public transit.  They use lots of data, feel free to dispute it.

https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/2020/08/24/transportation-racism-has-shaped-public-transit-america-inequalities

Why do Asian Americans tend to do so well, even better than whites? One would think that in a country like the US that you claim is full of systemic racism that Asians could not possibly do better than the "white ruling class".

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4 hours ago, ironstone said:

Why do Asian Americans tend to do so well, even better than whites? One would think that in a country like the US that you claim is full of systemic racism that Asians could not possibly do better than the "white ruling class".

When you look at who is in power:  political leaders, CEOs etc you see thats is mostly still white males and  everyone else including Asian Americans are underrepresented   They get pigeon-holed as math or tech nerds but rarely selected for senior leadership roles. 

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On 9/11/2021 at 6:15 AM, BeaverFever said:

Meanwhile back in the real world,  

Your post is a mixture of partial truths and outright lies, which still amount to almost nothing.

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Russia-connected Trump associate

This article is about a (correction #1) former (correction #2) Giuliani associate. Not a Trump associate. You just got busted on two lies in one sentence.

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 Trump criminals 

He's not a (correction #3) Trump criminal. He's a former associate of Giuliani who solicited money, and it doesn't say anywhere here that it was done at the request of Giuliani or Trump.

If someone that you used to work with, (ie, a 'former beave associate') solicits money from an Iranian and gives that money to Trudeau's election campaign, does that make Trudeau guilty of colluding with Iran? Does that somehow make you guilty of colluding with Iran? How does anything that I said prove that you, or Trudeau, told that person to do anything illegal?

That's a ridiculous stretch of the imagination, just like your bullshit post. Either you're completely susceptible to bullshit or you're a weaselly liar.

Do you understand what colluding even means ffs?

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Was a source for Trumps BS Hunter Biden Ukraine claims

There were no (correction #4) "BS Hunter Biden Ukraine claims". Even the article that you cited yourself said this:

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A former associate of Rudy Giuliani who helped him collect damaging information in Ukraine about U.S. President Joe Biden before the 2020 election

Just for your information, "damaging" and "bogus" are not synonyms. 

So that's 4 times that I had to correct your lies, and there are probably more lies in there.

 

FYI the claims were not bogus at all: Hunter made gobs of money at Burisma and Hunter himself admitted that he got that job because of who his dad was (and it is well-known that it was also because of what Joe was doing in Ukraine. In case you don't knowthere are hundreds of countries in the world and tens of thousands of companies in each of them, and out of the millions of companies in the world it's obviously no coincidence that Hunter got his extremely lucrative "job" at Burisma, where he didn't speak the language and he was working in a position where he had no prior experience). There was pressure put on Hunter's dad to make at least one trip to Ukraine by Burisma executives. Joe himself bragged about getting a prosecutor fired [who stated that he wasn't done working on Burisma] and appointing another one who never even looked at Burisma. Joe Biden and Hunter Biden both stated multiple times that "Joe had absolutely no clue that his son was working at Burisma", and they didn't admit that they were lying until a photo of Hunter, Joe and Devon Archer surfaced. The laptop was also legit. The claim which was made by "hundreds of intelligence community officials" that the laptop was bogus was yet another lie. 

In case you're keeping score, literally everything that looks incriminating about Hunter, Joe and Ukraine is 100% true, and Joe and Hunter have both been caught in serious lies which were aimed at drawing attention away from Ukraine.

You, the leftist MSM, and the Dems have all been exposed as complete liars and frauds, and you did it just to get the most incompetent leader in the history of democracy elected to the most important position in the free world. (Do Dems even care that Swallwell's campaign manager for years was an actual Chinese spy? His entire political career was founded on money that came from a Chinese spy (did it all come from China?), and Swallwell is still a member of the House Intelligence Committee. Is he just a complete rube or is he an asset? Why don't Dems want to investigate?)

 

 

You obviously need my help to understand what's going on in the world, you should just ask Beave. I'm a really nice guy. 

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On 9/12/2021 at 1:48 PM, WestCanMan said:

This article is about a (correction #1) former (correction #2) Giuliani associate. Not a Trump associate. You just got busted on two lies in one sentence.

Wrong again. He was a Giuliani associate at the time of his crimes, which makes him a Trump associate. You even admit he was providing the Trump administration with info on Hunter Biden so how is he not a Trump associate?

 

On 9/12/2021 at 1:48 PM, WestCanMan said:

He's not a (correction #3) Trump criminal. He's a former associate of Giuliani who solicited money, and it doesn't say anywhere here that it was done at the request of Giuliani or Trump.

He made illegal donations directly to Trump and his inauguration celebration and worked on behalf of Trump administration to dig up dirt on Biden which Trump then spread. He and Trump both had the same personal lawyer (Giuliani). He is also a criminal. Your claim that he’s someone from Giulianis distant past is false.

This criminal had dealings with Giuliani while Giuliani was working for Trump and those dealings directly served the Trump agenda ie the Hunter Biden nonsense. Therefore he is yet another Trump criminal   


Yes Hunter Biden got the Burisma job because he was the son of the US VP.
Russia and the west have been waging a proxy Cold War over Ukraine which is split between pro-west and pro-Russian factions. Both sides trying to fill posts in Ukrainian government and public institutions with loyalists. Placing the American VPs son on the board of the Ukrainian utility giant was a means to keep it from falling into the hands of Russia and its pro-Kremlin Ukrainian proxies. 
 

Like everything else the Hunter Biden nonsense is yet another grandiose conspiracy theory that Republicans can’t  prove to anyone but “just know to be true” because they read it on the internet, which is never wrong. 

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36 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Wrong again. He was a Giuliani associate at the time of his crimes, which makes him a Trump associate. You even admit he was providing the Trump administration with info on Hunter Biden so how is he not a Trump associate?

When you have to tell stupid lies to make a point, that should be your clue that it's time to quit.

Giuliani has lots of associates that aren't 'Trump associates'. That's life. When the article says "Giuliani associate" that's exactly what it means.

Trudeau moved mountains to help out SNC. Does that mean that the guy who wrote the bribery cheques to Michel Fournier was a Trudeau associate, just because he worked at SNC?

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He made illegal donations directly to Trump and his inauguration celebration and worked on behalf of Trump administration to dig up dirt on Biden which Trump then spread. He and Trump both had the same personal lawyer (Giuliani). 

You're correct to say that he made illegal donations, but he gave Trump's campaign "damaging information" about Biden. 

What you need to understand is that the person who gave Giuliani the damaging info was an American, and that Giuliani had every right to listen to the info that an American citizen had about Biden's criminal dealings in Ukraine.

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He is also a criminal.

So is Hillary. So is Hunter Biden. What's your point?

He was an American citizen who was providing valuable intel about a serious scandal in Ukraine. That's all that matters with regards to Trump and the collusion farce. 

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Your claim that he’s someone from Giulianis distant past is false.

You added an adjective there which I never used, so one again you're just a liar. I never said 'distant' past. I said "former" associate, which was a direct quote from your own article

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Yes Hunter Biden got the Burisma job because he was the son of the US VP.

 

OMFG. PROGRESS!!!!!!! WAY TO GO, SON!

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Russia and the west have been waging a proxy Cold War over Ukraine which is split between pro-west and pro-Russian factions. Both sides trying to fill posts in Ukrainian government and public institutions with loyalists. Placing the American VPs son on the board of the Ukrainian utility giant was a means to keep it from falling into the hands of Russia and its pro-Kremlin Ukrainian proxies. 

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Biden's actions were patriotic?

Hunter was hired when Zlochevsky was still the owner of Burisma, and Zlochevsky was still living in Ukraine. 

Hunter remained on the board for many months after Zlochevsky returned. 

Hunter only left the cash cow at Burisma when Joe went for the Presidency, because Joe was aware of the terrible optics of their Ukraine scandal.

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Like everything else the Hunter Biden nonsense is yet another grandiose conspiracy theory

Your own article didn't say anything about nonsense beave. It referenced "damaging information". Not conspiracy theories. Not lies, like you have told so many times in your last two posts. Your article mentioned damaging information. How can information be damaging when it's false, or merely conspiratorial? 

Like everything else that I wrote on this forum, the allegations against Joe and Hunter are extremely serious, accurate, and based on verified facts. All of the Bidens' excuses, including those from "hundreds of intelligence officials", are known to be outright lies. 

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 “just know to be true” because they read it on the internet, which is never wrong. 

😂

You're the one who quoted the article, Beave. I just pointed out how many lies you told about it and how stupid it made you look. 

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5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

When you have to tell stupid lies to make a point, that should be your clue that it's time to quit.

Giuliani has lots of associates that aren't 'Trump associates'. That's life. When the article says "Giuliani associate" that's exactly what it means.

Nothing stupid or lying about it. This Trump criminal was digging up dirt on Biden at the behest of the Trump administration and Trump was disseminating it. Of course the presidents try to avoid meeting these people directly it’s hilarious you’d think otherwise.  Especially considering the absurd lengths you try to go to to connect Hillary to Russians she’s never met or knew existed

 

HEY DUMBASS THIS CRIMINAL AND HIS CRIMINAL BUDDY ALSO MET DIRECTLY WITH TRUMP

Take her out': Recording appears to capture Trump at private dinner saying he wants Ukraine ambassador fired

Trump apparently heard discussing firing Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch.

 

A recording obtained by ABC News appears to capture President Donald Trump telling associates he wanted the then-U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch fired while speaking at a small gathering that included Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman -- two former business associates of Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani who have since been indicted in New York.

….On the recording, it appears the two Giuliani associates are telling Trump that the U.S. ambassador has been bad-mouthing him, which leads directly to the apparent remarks by the president. The recording was made by Fruman, according to sources familiar with the tape.

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/recording-appears-capture-trump-private-dinner-ukraine-ambassador/story%3fid=68506437


 

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SO YEAH TRUMP CRIMINAL ASSOCIATE IS 100% ACCURATE AND YOU’RE IGNORANT OF THE FACTS AS USUAL  HERE IS TRUMP POSING WOTH HOS RUSSIAN AGENT CRIMINAL ASSOCIATES 

 

 

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're correct to say that he made illegal donations, but he gave Trump's campaign "damaging information" about Biden. 

What you need to understand is that the person who gave Giuliani the damaging info was an American, and that Giuliani had every right to listen to the info that an American citizen had about Biden's criminal dealings in Ukraine.

Trumps administration was fed disinformation by Russians which they fell for like suckers. If the information is so credible why didn’t Trump act to have the Bidens arrested. You hilariously claim Trump is some kind of almighty God who keeps terrorists and Iran and China in their place shaking in then boots but yet he can’t even arrest Hunter Biden or Hillary or any Democrats for their supposedly obvious and indisputable crimes ??? Pathetic. Either all these supposed Democrat crimes are just Republican lies or Trump and Republican congressmen are the most impotent limp-dicks ever who can’t even catch these supposedly obvious criminals blatantly and undeniably committing crimes in broad daylight. 
 

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Hunter was hired when Zlochevsky was still the owner of Burisma, and Zlochevsky was still living in Ukraine. 

Hunter remained on the board for many months after Zlochevsky returned. 

Hunter only left the cash cow at Burisma when Joe went for the Presidency, because Joe was awar

It wasn’t patriotism dummy it was a love by the White House against Russia. Biden joined Burisma two months AFTER the criminal investigation was opened and none of the Trump accusations have been substantiated. Giuliani claims he has a computer that proves everything bu nobody is allowed to see it ….more “secret evidence” claims just like their BS election fraud lies. Don’t you ever get tired of being played like a sucker?

 

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Like everything else that I wrote on this forum, the allegations against Joe and Hunter are extremely serious, accurate, and based on verified facts.

Like I said if that was the case how come Trump never arrested anyone?  How come nobody is allowed to see this secret evidence that allegedly exists?  How come so many of the sources against the Bidens including the Ukrainian prosecutor Biden got rid of are Russian proxies?

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13 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Nothing stupid or lying about it.

I caught you lying 100%, at least 5 times, and you can't directly challenge the instances where I said that you're a liar because it's right there in black and white.

You had your stupid little article and you tried to make it something more than what it was.

Your latest thing is equally stupid. You're comparing "a recording appears to catch Trump saying...." to "Biden was caught on camera bragging about a quid pro quo, lying about knowing that his kid got a new $50K/month job, and then Biden and the Dems used the intel community like their little CNN whores to discredit actual verified intelligence about the Bidens' influence peddling" etc. 

Go tell your lies in a little idiotic liberal echo chamber, Beave. I'll just keep exposing your lies and stupidity here. 

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8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I caught you lying 100%, at least 5 times, and you can't directly challenge the instances where I said that you're a liar because it's right there in black and white.

You had your stupid little article and you tried to make it something more than what it was.

Your latest thing is equally stupid. You're comparing "a recording appears to catch Trump saying...." to "Biden was caught on camera bragging about a quid pro quo, lying about knowing that his kid got a new $50K/month job, and then Biden and the Dems used the intel community like their little CNN whores to discredit actual verified intelligence about the Bidens' influence peddling" etc. 

Go tell your lies in a little idiotic liberal echo chamber, Beave. I'll just keep exposing your lies and stupidity here. 

It’ll hilarious that you spew your baseless and unproven conspiracy  bullshit and then claim that you “proved” something or “caught someone lying”. When “lying simply means saying something that is inconvenient to your nonsense.  

And here you are trying to redirect the conversation from TRUMP’S CRIMINAL ASSOCIATE - whom you tried to deny was an associate of Trump despite the recording meetings and the photos and the plotting  

 

QUICK PIVOT TO HUNTER BIDEN ACCUSATIONS AND  PAY NO ATTENTION TO PHOTOS OF THE KREMLIN-CONTROLED CRIMINALS AND THE RECORDINGS OF THEM PLOTTING WITH TRUMP AGAINST AMERICAN EMBASSY OFFICIALS WHO STAND UP TO RUSSIA 

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16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

It’ll hilarious that you spew your baseless and unproven conspiracy  bullshit and then claim that you “proved” something or “caught someone lying”.

You 'were lying' about your baseless and unproven conspiracy bullshit. Of course I called you out for lying. 

You lied 5 times, for certain. If you don't think those were lies then you'd protest, but like I said before, the proof was there in black and white. Now you're being a typical leftist and just making accusations to gloss over your lies. Go to hell dude, you were 100% busted.

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When “lying simply means saying something that is inconvenient 

Lying means that you said something that was proven to be false. It has nothing to do with inconvenience. 

If I said that you lied, or anything else for that matter, you can book it. 

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And here you are trying to redirect the conversation from TRUMP’S CRIMINAL ASSOCIATE - whom you tried to deny was an associate of Trump despite the recording meetings and the photos and the plotting  

The person was a former Giuliani associate according to your own source. That means that you're lying when you call him a Trump associate.

I understand that, as a leftist, you have to play really fast and loose with the truth just to stay in the conversation, but that conversation is only fit for other leftist muppets. It has no place in an adult forum. 

You can spout lies at leftistwingnuts.com all day and you'll just get kudos from all the other baristas there. I'd recommend that you do that if being called out for lying hurts your feelings. 

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QUICK PIVOT TO HUNTER BIDEN ACCUSATIONS

I didn't pivot to that, you were the one who brought up the topic when you lied and said that the information that was brought to the US was bogus. Even the article that you quoted said that it was damaging. 

Only a really stupid person would confuse the word 'damaging' with 'bogus'. Or a liar would swap them. Pick your poison, but you're one or the other. 

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AND  PAY NO ATTENTION TO PHOTOS OF THE KREMLIN-CONTROLED CRIMINALS AND THE RECORDINGS OF THEM PLOTTING WITH TRUMP AGAINST AMERICAN EMBASSY OFFICIALS WHO STAND UP TO RUSSIA 

What that story means in your idiotic fantasy world and what it actually means in the real world are two completely separate things. If she was bad-mouthing the president then she obviously needed to be fired. Simple. 

 

 

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15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You 'were lying' about your baseless and unproven conspiracy bullshit. Of course I called you out for lying. 

You lied 5 times, for certain. If you don't think those were lies then you'd protest, but like I said before, the proof was there in black and white. Now you're being a typical leftist and just making accusations to gloss over your lies. Go to hell dude, you were 100% busted.

Lying means that you said something that was proven to be false. It has nothing to do with inconvenience. 

If I said that you lied, or anything else for that matter, you can book it. 

The person was a former Giuliani associate according to your own source. That means that you're lying when you call him a Trump associate.

I understand that, as a leftist, you have to play really fast and loose with the truth just to stay in the conversation, but that conversation is only fit for other leftist muppets. It has no place in an adult forum. 

You can spout lies at leftistwingnuts.com all day and you'll just get kudos from all the other baristas there. I'd recommend that you do that if being called out for lying hurts your feelings. 

I didn't pivot to that, you were the one who brought up the topic when you lied and said that the information that was brought to the US was bogus. Even the article that you quoted said that it was damaging. 

Only a really stupid person would confuse the word 'damaging' with 'bogus'. Or a liar would swap them. Pick your poison, but you're one or the other. 

What that story means in your idiotic fantasy world and what it actually means in the real world are two completely separate things. If she was bad-mouthing the president then she obviously needed to be fired. Simple. 

 

 

As I said before your  claims that you’ve proven anything or caught me lying are bullshit  

 

CONSIDER THAT YOU DON’T even know what lying means. Your definition of lying is really “anything that you personally don’t believe is true”   What you don’t understand is that just because you disagree with something doesn’t mean it’s a lie and just because you try to explain Why you believe something doesn’t mean you’ve proven anything.  Hilariously you think because you’ve assembled some incoherent argument with cherry-picked, unproven claims and tortured logic you’ve somehow proven or disproven something. And I quite clearly protested your idiocy as I do almost every day  


 

Bottom line:

 

ITS A PROVEN FACT that these characters associated directly with Trump and are now convicted criminals.  Therefore it’s a fact they are Trumps criminal associates 

 

THEY ARE ONLY NOW FORMER ASSOCIATES SINCE THEY’VE BEEN CAUGHT AND NO LONGER TALKING BUT WERE NOT “FORMER” ASSOCIATES WHEN THEY WERE ASSOCIATING WITH EACH OTHER  ARE YOU STUPID OR SOMETHING?

 

Meanwhile regardless of whatever arguments you make against Hunter Biden or Hillary or Obama, or the Lizard people or whatever  NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF ANYTHING   Therefore none of your claims are proven fact no matter how forcefully you argue them   The inability to distinguish between opinion and fact is a hallmark of the uneducated so it’s not exactly a shock that you keep making this error over and over  

 

 

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17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

As I said before your  claims that you’ve proven anything or caught me lying are bullshit  

 

CONSIDER THAT YOU DON’T even know what lying means. Your definition of lying is really “anything that you personally don’t believe is true”   What you don’t understand is that just because you disagree with something doesn’t mean it’s a lie and just because you try to explain Why you believe something doesn’t mean you’ve proven anything.  Hilariously you think because you’ve assembled some incoherent argument with cherry-picked, unproven claims and tortured logic you’ve somehow proven or disproven something.

Lying is when you said that the claims were bogus, which they weren't. It's when even the article that you're quoting says one thing but you say another. It's all there in black and white. You're a liar. 

I can't say "you're not a liar" and make it go away. You have to stop lying yourself if you want to shed that title. 

I'll say for certain that there are things about Trump that are unpresidential, for example his uncouth mouth, his affairs with porn stars and Playboy bunnies, and his hubris, but I don't lie bout those things. I think that Trump was still a good POTUS though, because his decisions as president and his leadership were extremely sound. This whole Russian asset story is just infantile bullshit and for whatever reason, you're a victim of it.

You could say all of the exact opposite things about Biden. He's never been caught cheating on his wife as far as I know, and instead of bragging he pretends to come from a long line of coal miners. None of his decisions as president have been good and his leadership is the exact opposite of what you would hope for. He is an influence peddler of the slimiest order and he's a feckless dolt who got dummied by the Taliban. 

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And I quite clearly protested your idiocy as I do almost every day  

Correction: you lie and you make sandbox insults. That's all you do.
 

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Bottom line:

ITS A PROVEN FACT that these characters associated directly with Trump and are now convicted criminals.  Therefore it’s a fact they are Trumps criminal associates 

 

Bottom line:

Even the article that you cited yourself says that you're a liar, so you're a liar.

Just because Trump talked to someone once or twice doesn't make them associates. If that was the case then he'd have 200,000 associates. Do you understand that much?

Just remember that Obama had his picture taken with the biggest, most outspoken bigot in the country. Did I say that Farrakhan was an "Obama associate" or did I say that Obama definitely knew who Farrakhan was and how much of a loudmouth bigot he was and he should never even have given that guy the time of day? 

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Meanwhile regardless of whatever arguments you make against Hunter Biden or Hillary or Obama, or the Lizard people or whatever  NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF ANYTHING   Therefore none of your claims are proven fact no matter how forcefully you argue them  

Trump was found to be innocent in the collusion investigation too. What's your point?

Hillary's associates, business partners actually, were found to be guilty in Whitewater. 

Hunter is a criminal, he's a known crackhead. There are pictures of him with his pipe in his mouth. He's also admitted that he got his $50K/mo job as a direct result of his father's influence peddling. 

You tying me in with the lizard people conspiracy is just another example of you lying. You know that I've never made such a ludicrous claim or you'd cite it every day. 

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The inability to distinguish between opinion and fact is a hallmark of the uneducated

And here's you, telling actual lies, and not understanding the difference between lies and the truth.

That's not just a matter of you missing out on nuance either, it's a matter of you just not having a clue. 

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it’s not exactly a shock that you keep making this error over and over  

You're not even making 'errors' over and over, you're willfully lying. At least your lies were on topic though. Now you're into an ad-hominem rant.

Next time, tell the truth about whatever it is that you want to say, and then maybe you can stay on topic and prove a point instead of going Karen here.  

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8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Lying is when you said that the claims were bogus, which they weren't

No dummy. Lying is when someone says something they know to not be true. I don’t know that the wrongdoings you allege are true as they have never been proven in court and it’s only right -wing cranks with am agenda. As I said you can’t tell the difference between your opinions and facts nor can you accept the idea that an honest person could ever disagree with you or your so-called “facts” therefore they must be lying. 
 

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Even the article that you cited yourself says that you're a liar, so you're a liar.

It’s a provable fact that the article doesn’t say I’m a liar. In fact the article doesn’t mention me at all. So I guess you’re the liar 😉

 

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Just because Trump talked to someone once or twice doesn't make them associates. If that was the case then he'd have 200,000 associates. Do you understand that much?

He plotted with them in a secretly recorded conversation conspiring against a US ambassador and then they went forth and provided information helpful to his campaign and propaganda that he recited repeatedly….and they also gave him illegal campaign contributions.   And they were regular clients of Trumps lawyer closest henchman.  Obama and Farrakhan were just a photo together not doing any of that!

 

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Just remember that Obama had his picture taken with the biggest, most outspoken bigot in the country. Did I say that Farrakhan was an "Obama associate" or did I say that Obama definitely knew who Farrakhan was and how much of a loudmouth bigot he was and he should never even have given that guy the time of day? 

Yes you said posing for that one photo proves they were “buddies”, “chummy” and have a secret relationship. I’ve quoted you in several of those so you can reflect on them.  - check your forum alerts 

 

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Hunter is a criminal

He has not been convicted of anything therefore as point of fact he is not a criminal. If you’re going to call him that simply because you want to believe it, then I might as well play by your rules and say Trump is a criminal. You see you and I have to play by the same rules. 
 

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You tying me in with the lizard people conspiracy is just another example of you lying

No it’s an example of you being dense You can’t tell when you’re being made fun of?  I’m comparing you bullshit conspiracies to lizard people conspiracies 

 

 

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2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No dummy. Lying is when someone says something they know to not be true. 

What you said was untrue, based on the source that you cited yourself. I'll let you decide whether you want to be called a liar or an idiot.

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It’s a provable fact that the article doesn’t say I’m a liar. In fact the article doesn’t mention me at all. So I guess you’re the liar 😉

The article says one thing, and you (theoretically) read the article and then misrepresented what it said. 

The proof of the fact that you are a liar is contained right in the source that you cited.

That was the easiest fact-check I ever did. I didn't have to find other articles to prove you were lying, it was right in your own link.

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He plotted with them in a secretly recorded conversation conspiring against a US ambassador and then they went forth and provided information helpful to his campaign and propaganda that he recited repeatedly….and they also gave him illegal campaign contributions.  

He didn't plot with them. He doesn't need a plot to fire anyone under his command. If he wants to do it, he just does it unilaterally. 

They said that she was bad-mouthing the POTUS, and that's an obvious disqualifier for an ambassador. Maybe he had his reasons to believe them. 

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And they were regular clients of Trumps lawyer closest henchman.  Obama and Farrakhan were just a photo together not doing any of that!

I'll say for the record that the photo is alarming and disgusting, but not that it's incontrovertible evidence of joint criminal activity.

That's the difference between us. 

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Yes you said posing for that one photo proves they were “buddies”, “chummy” and have a secret relationship. I’ve quoted you in several of those so you can reflect on them.  - check your forum alerts 

Obama showed genuine warmth in that photo, and as a high-level politician he surely knows what it means for him to do that, so it's not out of line to say that they are chummy (on friendly terms) but you're correct to say that being in one photo, or being on friendly terms, doesn't prove that they're actively involved in secret dealings. 

I'm on friendly terms with a lot of people who I'm not doing any sort of business with. 

 

Do you think that I'd be smiling in a photo with Justin Trudeau? The answer is no. Would Meryl Streep be smiling in a photo with Charles Manson if he's still alive? I'd think not.

Do you think it was appropriate for Obama to smile in a photo with Farrakhan?

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