Chinese Vaccines

[cannuck]

With the help of the CBC and rest of the media, whose complicity has been bought and paid for with billions of our tax dollars everyone seems to have forgotten the the Little Tur....er....TRUdeau and his "cabinet" first strategized to use Chinese vaccine.  Fortunately, their ineptitude in managing the Huawei affair resulted in China cutting us off from this route.  Once again, the total incompetence of LPC and our bureaucracies were saved from total disaster by more of their ineptitude.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210623&instance_id=33644&nl=the-morning&regi_id=100982531&segment_id=61457&te=1&user_id=2a3e757b2285568cc6aee5465e9acea4

If you can't read the NYT article, here is another from Forbes (but less to the point)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/05/11/covid-surges-in-4-of-5-worlds-most-vaccinated-countries-heres-why-the-us-should-worry/?sh=6a0ba8fed677

Countries that embraced the Sinopharm vaccine are now suffering huge outbreaks.   Depending on OUR elected officials, we would have been one of them.  Curiously, it was China itself that saved thousands of Canadian lives, so we owe a great debt to Ms. Meng.

[Moonlight Graham]

If China makes a vaccine I want 5 of those injected into my face right now.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Chinese vaccines are as good as their other products made in China, Cheap and worthless. Same goes for Russian vaccines. All those vaccines produced with propaganda under the supervision of dictatorial governments with censorships in place and for the credit of those dictators in power are like poisonous arrows at worst and worthless at best and should be avoided.

[cannuck]

On 7/1/2021 at 12:00 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Chinese vaccines are as good as their other products made in China, Cheap and worthless. Same goes for Russian vaccines. All those vaccines produced with propaganda under the supervision of dictatorial governments with censorships in place and for the credit of those dictators in power are like poisonous arrows at worst and worthless at best and should be avoided.

China is capable of producing anything it wants at any level of quality and technology.  Problem is: it is a centrally planned economy that doesn't at this time WANT to make the best stuff it can - just the most to forward its geopolitical ideologies and ambitions.

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, cannuck said:

  it is a centrally planned economy that doesn't at this time WANT to make the best stuff it can - just the most to forward its geopolitical ideologies and ambitions.

Is it ?  I think they opened up the economy from that model years ago, which is why they're considered a hybrid of Communism and capitalism.  

[cannuck]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Is it ?  I think they opened up the economy from that model years ago, which is why they're considered a hybrid of Communism and capitalism.  

It is a much more complicated thing that that.  Beijing has its finger on the pulse of EVERY major business in one way or another.  While there may not be a written directive, anyone running a hybrid (official government interest), state owned or "private" large company knows the drill and realizes you follow the unwritten but clearly understood path or let's just say business won't go so well for you.

There are genuine high quality products in China.  Some because of Western QA/QC, some from domestic efforts.  But quality is not as important to China as money.  It is a culture that worships results without getting hung up on process.  These days: it all centers around "One Road, One Belt" and assembling all of the lands that China considers to be (or should be) China proper.

Edited July 4, 2021 by cannuck

[CITIZEN_2015]

6 hours ago, cannuck said:

China is capable of producing anything it wants at any level of quality and technology.  Problem is: it is a centrally planned economy that doesn't at this time WANT to make the best stuff it can - just the most to forward its geopolitical ideologies and ambitions.

China is a third world country under a corrupt dictatorship. They can't match the technology in the West. Whatever technology they have they have stolen it from the West. 

[Argus]

On 7/4/2021 at 8:52 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Is it ?  I think they opened up the economy from that model years ago, which is why they're considered a hybrid of Communism and capitalism.  

With the worst aspects of both...

 

[cannuck]

22 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

China is a third world country under a corrupt dictatorship. They can't match the technology in the West. Whatever technology they have they have stolen it from the West. 

Both Russia and China make it the full time occupation of a large number of people to hack into and steal as much information - technology, science and most of all business - as they possibly can.  But in BOTH cases, do not doubt that they can and DO develop all of this further.  It is right to say most of what China has and does is BASED upon what they have stolen from the West, but don't make the mistake that the West made when opening up trade with no consequence or rules by assuming they are any less capable than any other major power can be.

[WestCanMan]

On 6/23/2021 at 5:05 AM, cannuck said:

With the help of the CBC and rest of the media, whose complicity has been bought and paid for with billions of our tax dollars everyone seems to have forgotten the the Little Tur....er....TRUdeau and his "cabinet" first strategized to use Chinese vaccine.  Fortunately, their ineptitude in managing the Huawei affair resulted in China cutting us off from this route.  Once again, the total incompetence of LPC and our bureaucracies were saved from total disaster by more of their ineptitude.

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Countries that embraced the Sinopharm vaccine are now suffering huge outbreaks. 

So this is an instance where two wrongs actually do make a right.

Hopefully for our sake, doing 1,000 things in a row wrong can make something awesome, because that's where our gov't is at right now.

Edited July 5, 2021 by WestCanMan