Army Guy Posted May 31, 2021 Report Share Posted May 31, 2021 I've been watching this for the last few days, and i find it very very disturbing and it leaves nothing more than questions, were they found in a mass graves or buried individually in marked graves or unmarked... How did each one of those children die ? and Who is reasonable the church , government who ? and if there was any wrong doing are we going to hunt them down and bring them to justice . My entire life i was left to believe nothing like this could happen in Canada, i mean i heard rumors, all my time in the army spent in the worlds shit holes, i always thought we as Canadians were better people than those that did evil shit to each other in conflicts, we had better morals and values, i am starting to think not...Canada may be no better than they are... 215 children is a little hard to explain, and i'm guessing this is only the beginning... i hope that this is fully investigated, and if any wrong doing is found, then they be brought to justice, and their names recorded for history to be forever judged... I hope that the survivors get a huge payout, along with the families that lost a child... if we can give 10 million to a terrorist, what do we give an innocent child... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 31, 2021 Report Share Posted May 31, 2021 This is too big to be ignored or explained away by any government. Every rock will have to be overturned to get every answer possible. I suspect most of the people who oversaw this are now dead but they should still be named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted May 31, 2021 Report Share Posted May 31, 2021 If I were in Trudeau's shoes, for once, I would do the same. What kind of details can you give in those circumstances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 About 60% of these residential schools were run by the Catholic Church. The remaining 40% were run by a couple other denominations, Anglican and Methodist and possibly United church I believe. I am not sure if the Presbyterian church ran some. I believe the non-Catholic churches have apologized for what went on in them. Yet the Pope inexplicably refuses to apologize. I can only assume he refuses because an apology could mean a big chuck of money would have to be paid for compensation out of the Vatican billions. So far it has been the federal government who has paid compensation, which means the taxpayers of Canada. It is time the Pope stepped up and contributed their share out of their billions. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 "Trudeau offers help but no details." I'm sure the government already knows where these bodies are buried, and how many. They have known it probably for decades. Que the crocodile tears from the most entitled, privileged all- white boy who ever became Prime Minister. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 53 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: the crocodile tears from the most entitled, privileged all- white boy who ever became Prime Minister. I was thinking about a moment like this at the time Gord Downie was naively praising Trudeau for his work on aboriginal issues, on the last stage of his life... It's evil and mundane mediocrity all mixed together causing this and we allow it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: It's evil and mundane mediocrity all mixed together causing this and we allow it to happen. I think in the case of the children put in residential schools, it was more than "allowed"; it was considered necessary. These "savages" required conversion to Christianity, and being savages, were not considered human enough to be treated with the same dignity and respect afforded white Christians, (even poor white Christians, whose children also suffered significant abuse). One only has to read comments on this forum re First Nations to see how ingrained this attitude still is among some people, and how much more prevalent it must have been in the 1800s, when residential schools were established. IMO, the lack of accountability of our leaders today are a hangover from that era, bolstered by people who are convinced that First Nations people should just "get over it", move off reservations and get a job. It's just not that easy or simple to overcome the kind of abuse and harm these people endured for generations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 18 hours ago, Army Guy said: I've been watching this for the last few days, and i find it very very disturbing and it leaves nothing more than questions, were they found in a mass graves or buried individually in marked graves or unmarked... How did each one of those children die ? and Who is reasonable the church , government who ? and if there was any wrong doing are we going to hunt them down and bring them to justice . My entire life i was left to believe nothing like this could happen in Canada, i mean i heard rumors, all my time in the army spent in the worlds shit holes, i always thought we as Canadians were better people than those that did evil shit to each other in conflicts, we had better morals and values, i am starting to think not...Canada may be no better than they are... 215 children is a little hard to explain, and i'm guessing this is only the beginning... i hope that this is fully investigated, and if any wrong doing is found, then they be brought to justice, and their names recorded for history to be forever judged... I hope that the survivors get a huge payout, along with the families that lost a child... if we can give 10 million to a terrorist, what do we give an innocent child... Thanks for posting this, AG. I was wondering if it would show up on this forum. It is heartbreaking, and my awareness of just how poorly these children were treated, in Canada, is only a couple of years old. Like you, I knew there claims of abuse, and assumed some bad actors among well-intentioned and a relatively benevolent system. It was only when I learned how similar, deliberate and prevalent these practices were, starting with the government, the legal system and the religious organizations, did I realize that it wasn't accidental: it was cultural genocide, at best. And likely very few would have cared if an actual genocide resulted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: I've been watching this for the last few days, and i find it very very disturbing and it leaves nothing more than questions, were they found in a mass graves or buried individually in marked graves or unmarked... How did each one of those children die ? and Who is reasonable the church , government who ? and if there was any wrong doing are we going to hunt them down and bring them to justice . My entire life i was left to believe nothing like this could happen in Canada, i mean i heard rumors, all my time in the army spent in the worlds shit holes, i always thought we as Canadians were better people than those that did evil shit to each other in conflicts, we had better morals and values, i am starting to think not...Canada may be no better than they are... 215 children is a little hard to explain, and i'm guessing this is only the beginning... i hope that this is fully investigated, and if any wrong doing is found, then they be brought to justice, and their names recorded for history to be forever judged... I hope that the survivors get a huge payout, along with the families that lost a child... if we can give 10 million to a terrorist, what do we give an innocent child... this is Canada this is what you defended with your life & limb keep the French in, the Americans out, and the Indians down, at any cost this is the price you pay, for Victoria Regina Imperatrix this is the story of your people, this is the British Empire, it was a conquest all along it's not about money, all that matters is what you would kill & die for ? Mother Canada, Pro Patria, all will love Her and despair Edited June 1, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Trudeau says he wants the federal government to provide help, but not if it means the slow and agonizing media drip of "discovering" mass children's graves across Canada...like Allied soldiers coming upon death camps in Germany at the end of WW2. Then there will be exhumations, DNA testing, forensic pathology, returning remains to families, re-internment, yada, yada, yada. No government wants to endure that kind of photo and video meat grinder for months & years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trudeau says he wants the federal government to provide help, but not if it means the slow and agonizing media drip of "discovering" mass children's graves across Canada... that will be imposed upon him, as what else does the Canadian media have to clickbait about ? too juicy not to self flagellate about, as self flagellation is the coin of the realm now not that it matters mind you, the elites are above the law in Canada, so really this is all kabuki theatre in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, dialamah said: I think in the case of the children put in residential schools, it was more than "allowed"; it was considered necessary. These "savages" required conversion to Christianity, and being savages, were not considered human enough to be treated with the same dignity and respect afforded white Christians, (even poor white Christians, whose children also suffered significant abuse). One only has to read comments on this forum re First Nations to see how ingrained this attitude still is among some people, and how much more prevalent it must have been in the 1800s, when residential schools were established. IMO, the lack of accountability of our leaders today are a hangover from that era, bolstered by people who are convinced that First Nations people should just "get over it", move off reservations and get a job. It's just not that easy or simple to overcome the kind of abuse and harm these people endured for generations. No, in the Catholic run residential schools, they required conversion to Catholicism, which is not Christianity. Catholicism means acceptance and obedience to the Pope, the church and all its' dogmas and unbiblical practices. Biblical Christianity means parents love their children and treat everyone with respect. This apparently was not part of the thinking in many residential schools, although there may have been some teachers who were compassionate and caring but were working for a deeply flawed system. Edited June 1, 2021 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) All major Christian religious denominations ran the first public schools. Prayers were said in all these schools for over a century. Education reflects the values of the majority of the public’s values, which were primarily English and French. Abuse took place in many schools, residential or not. The attitude towards Indigenous, misguided as it was, was that they were educating and civilizing people, very racist by our standards but considered progressive at the time. The separation of children from their parents was wrong but hard to avoid if there were no local schools. The suppression of Indigenous language and culture is of course terrible. None of that should’ve taken place, like many things a century or even 30 years ago. The government has paid settlements but the healing of emotional wounds is going to take generations. Does that mean all or most things that governments did were bad when public education was founded? As always, context is hugely important. It is ignored and babies are thrown out with the bath water, including public education and the country of Canada. What happened to those children is so wrong. Edited June 1, 2021 by Zeitgeist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 35 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: None of that should’ve taken place, like many things a century or even 30 years ago Indeed. We are so much better than that now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Interesting question from the Global News: Quote “These school plans included cemeteries,” Andrew Martindale, a professor at the University of British Columbia’s Dept. of Anthropology, said. “Who builds a school with a cemetery attached? Well, the Canadian government… did so.” https://globalnews.ca/news/7909761/ground-penetrating-radar-kamloops-residential-school/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 10 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Interesting question from the Global News: Far as I know Canada is the only country to do this to natives. Shhhh.... don't mention it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 56 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Far as I know Canada is the only country to do this to natives. Shhhh.... don't mention it! My understanding of the history of Cuba is that there are no native Cubans. They are all descendants of either African slaves or the Spaniards, who conquered and killed the entire native population. Not excusing Canada's mess. It was just a bit shocking when I learned about the Cubans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Interesting question from the Global News: so it was a concentration camp by design not unprecedented for Canada neither it's the same thing the British Empire did to the Boer women & children in South Africa the concentration camp being a British invention to force the Boer Commando males to surrender in the field Canada charged into that war with gusto same thing with the Indian warriors here, kidnap the children as hostages to force the men to capitulate the purpose of the Post National State being like the Nazis to erase these crimes, replacing them them with a "progressive" utopian fake country yet suddenly that is being disrupted, the dogma is being exposed as vaccous Canadians confronted with their own death camps, like the Germans in 1945 ultimately it is American freedom which is imposing this on Canada as it did on the Germans a first amendment paradigm to speak the truth of something Canada would rather sweep under the rug prior to the Americanization of Canada, this is something Canada simply censored for public consumption the flag that makes you free, whether you like it or not, glory glory hallelujah Edited June 2, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the purpose of the Post National State being like the Nazis to erase these crimes, replacing them them with a "progressive" utopian fake country yet suddenly that is being disrupted, the dogma is being exposed as vaccous Canadians confronted with their own death camps, like the Germans in 1945 Trudeau's bought news media now seeks to deflect this entirely as a problem of "the Church", not Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Trudeau's bought news media now seeks to deflect this entirely as a problem of "the Church", not Canada. very deliberately, because the Post National State is Nietzschean God is dead to the Post National State so the Post National State, like the Nazis, attacks religion as the root of all evil the Nazis didn't just hate the Jews, they hated the constraints of a loving & merciful God Canada is the same, the Christians here are now the "insurrectionists" against the Post National Fuhrerprinzip Christians have to atone for Canada's crimes, while the Post National State is innocent of history Edited June 2, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) this is how the Liberal Party of Canada flag is like the Swastika this is how the Liberal Party of Canada national anthem is like the Horst Wessel song the Nazis desired to erase the past, erase the crimes & failings of the German Empire to replace it with a post scarcity Utopian futuristic society free of all that the Nazis had a concept which they called Year Zero, the restarting of the world into a new paradigm the Liberal Party of Canada has the same motivations, they use the same methods you erase Canada and replace it with the Post National State the Post National State has its own Utopian flag and Utopian anthem, to replace all that came before Edited June 2, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Goddess said: My understanding of the history of Cuba is that there are no native Cubans. They are all descendants of either African slaves or the Spaniards, who conquered and killed the entire native population. Not excusing Canada's mess. It was just a bit shocking when I learned about the Cubans. Yes it is shocking. Those things also happened in South America. I guess the difference is in Canada, we kept doing them right up until just a few years ago. "The term Sixties Scoop was coined by Patrick Johnston, author of the 1983 report Native Children and the Child Welfare System. It refers to the mass removal of Aboriginal children from their families into the child welfare system, in most cases without the consent of their families or bands." https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/sixties_scoop/ The situation continued into the mid-1980's. But hey, these are progressive, modern times. What great people are the Candians 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: What great people are the Canadians there really is no such people it is the British & French House of Hanover & House of Bourbon Canada is just agreement between them not to go to war with each other Treaty of Paris 1763 the purpose being to keep the French in, so you can keep the Americans out, and the Indians down Edited June 2, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: there really is no such people it's the British & French Canada is just agreement between them not to go to war with each other the purpose being to keep the French in, so you can keep the Americans out, and the Indians down Agreed. All my typos are intentional... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Agreed. All my typos are intentional... indeed, merely rolling with it, to illustrate the nature of the Post National State Canada is not a "people", that is the postmodern fake country paradigm again, it is a pseudo Nazi paradigm the Nazis called it the "Volk" a Canadian "people" would just be a euphemism for "Master Race" a priggish holier than thou horde of future utopians who are not responsible for their own history a people without a history are easy to control, they are not responsible by default a self loathing revanchist society which blames all of its ills on religion and foreign influence like if you feel the need to run out and defend Canada, by blaming religion and/or America ? even when confronted with Canadian death camps ? then you are one of the Volk, Post National State uber alles, innocent of history perfected Master Race Edited June 2, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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