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49 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

You're just spewing hate now, Bud.

Nothing you say has any truth and as a falsehood has no relevance.

Cut the crap. You're not on the side of the Angels.

When your cause's founder is a pal of Himmler's, you just might be a baddie.

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7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

You're just spewing hate now, Bud.

Nothing you say has any truth and as a falsehood has no relevance.

Cut the crap. You're not on the side of the Angels.

Curious to see if those who cheer on Israel's racist apartheid state think about South Africa's apartheid government's treatment of the blacks, and the latest news on the 215 first nations children who have been found to be murdered (with more to come).

It's pretty consistent in how morally corrupt people try to explain away these world events, like people should not be outraged, and it is somehow okay to treat people this way.

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17 minutes ago, marcus said:

Curious to see if those who cheer on Israel's racist apartheid state think about South Africa's apartheid government's

Canada is a racist apartheid state, Canadians tend to cheer Canada on

not me tho, not anymore, as Canada has succumbed to the totalitarian Woke Nazi cult

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50 minutes ago, marcus said:

Curious to see if those who cheer on Israel's racist apartheid state think about South Africa's apartheid government's treatment of the blacks, and the latest news on the 215 first nations children who have been found to be murdered (with more to come).

It's pretty consistent in how morally corrupt people try to explain away these world events, like people should not be outraged, and it is somehow okay to treat people this way.

If you want to get on your high horse about poor treatment of the Palestinians, you should focus more on Hamas and less on Israel, since they treat them much worse than Israel does

yet all I see is you whining about Israel defending itself resulting in collateral damage, and not a peep about Hamas

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Apartheid:

1.  (in South Africa) a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.

"Palestinian" is not a race. "Muslim" is not a race. What they call "Palestinians" are not all Arabs.

But if any or all of them were a race they are all treated equally under the law in Israel. That's not apartheid.

If you're going to base your claim on an obvious fallacy, Marcus, I don't see how you can expect to be taken seriously.

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On 6/5/2021 at 9:14 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

If you want to get on your high horse about poor treatment of the Palestinians, you should focus more on Hamas and less on Israel, since they treat them much worse than Israel does

yet all I see is you whining about Israel defending itself resulting in collateral damage, and not a peep about Hamas

Cut the crap with that narrative.

No one informed about the situation, believes that bs.

Hamas is just a symptom of the decades long occupation by a racist regime. They are insignificant in the story of this brutal, lying sack of racist ideology, that has deprived a group of people of basic human dignity.

Hamas did not destroy over 500 Arab villages, in order to create their own state, and as Arab free as possible.

Hamas does not have control over the borders, seas, and air, for over 50 years.

Hamas does not engage in flattening blocks of residential neighborhoods, including schools and hospitals, killing thousands of people, every few years.

Hamas does not justify this blatant aggression, in the name of self-defense.

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On 6/5/2021 at 11:00 AM, Infidel Dog said:

Apartheid:

1.  (in South Africa) a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.

"Palestinian" is not a race. "Muslim" is not a race. What they call "Palestinians" are not all Arabs.

But if any or all of them were a race they are all treated equally under the law in Israel. That's not apartheid.

If you're going to base your claim on an obvious fallacy, Marcus, I don't see how you can expect to be taken seriously.

You too?

Still repeating the same old bs? Why this severe dishonesty? You're really clinging to these diversions.

What does someone like Desmond Tutu, a central figure in Apartheid South Africa think?

Desmond Tutu: Israel guilty of apartheid in treatment of Palestinians

Tutu, the Nobel Peace laureate, criticized Israeli policies toward the Palestinians in the territories as "humiliating."

https://m.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Desmond-Tutu-Israel-guilty-of-apartheid-in-treatment-of-Palestinians-344874

What about Nelson Mandela? I hope you take him seriously:

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Look, you can quote commies and other far lefties at me all day. It's meaningless.

We're all as capable of deciding whether a definition of a word applies to something as any of the redefiners of the far left are.

I acknowledge that the left likes to canonize those two screwballs but I look at South Africa today and wonder how we're supposed to be impressed by what the shapers of the new South Africa have done. Glass houses and all that. If Israel is apartheid by the Mandela/Tutu redefinition what do we call what the new Mandela/Tutu birthed South Africa is doing to the whites and immigrant Africans in SA.

I think, if Mandela and Tutu are or were redefining the word Apartheid to apply to Israel it is or was to divert attention from what they'd done to South Africa.

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1 hour ago, marcus said:

Cut the crap with that narrative.

No one informed about the situation, believes that bs.

Hamas is just a symptom of the decades long occupation by a racist regime. They are insignificant in the story of this brutal, lying sack of racist ideology, that has deprived a group of people of basic human dignity.

Hamas did not destroy over 500 Arab villages, in order to create their own state, and as Arab free as possible.

Hamas does not have control over the borders, seas, and air, for over 50 years.

Hamas does not engage in flattening blocks of residential neighborhoods, including schools and hospitals, killing thousands of people, every few years.

Hamas does not justify this blatant aggression, in the name of self-defense.

"No one informed about the situation..." ???

Gee, I hope you're not including yourself in that.

Which 500 villages are these you're talking about? Are you talking about the Arab population that evacuated in 1948 under instructions from Arab invaders who planned to clean Israel out of Jews then allow return of Muslims and their Dhimmis? They lost that war. Big surprise for them but too bad, so sad. That's what happens when your invasion doesn't go according to plan.

Hamas doesn't control their border from Gaza into Israel. Why should they? Egypt doesn't give them control of their border into Egypt either. They lost control of port access by bringing in Iranian munitions to attack their neighbor by sea.

If Hamas doesn't want their command centers and weapons storage centers smashed they shouldn't attack a more powerful nation but they do it to get sympathy from the useful idiots by calling some hospitals and schools.

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15 hours ago, marcus said:

Cut the crap with that narrative.

No one informed about the situation, believes that bs.

Hamas is just a symptom of the decades long occupation by a racist regime. They are insignificant in the story of this brutal, lying sack of racist ideology, that has deprived a group of people of basic human dignity.

Hamas did not destroy over 500 Arab villages, in order to create their own state, and as Arab free as possible.

Hamas does not have control over the borders, seas, and air, for over 50 years.

Hamas does not engage in flattening blocks of residential neighborhoods, including schools and hospitals, killing thousands of people, every few years.

Hamas does not justify this blatant aggression, in the name of self-defense.

Hamas are the blatantly aggressive ones

they are the one's who put their rockets in residential neighborhoods, near schools, hospitals and try to kill Jews with indiscriminate attacks

saying deliberate targeting of civilians is far less blatantly aggressive than collateral damage as the result of retaliation on legitimate military targets is asinine

Palestinians in Israel are treated far better by Israel than Palestinan's in Gaza are treated by Hamas, that is not Israel's fault

20% of Israel is Arab, 0% of Gaza is Jewish, when it comes to racist governments, Israel is less of one to Arabs than Hamas is to Jews, by several orders of magnitude

you can call that bullshit all you want, but the facts do no reflect your feelings

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5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Neither are you.

Neither are you. But as far as I know neither of us claimed to be. At least I didn't.

My point is if somebody attacks you, you can attack back. I'm even for sucker punching them first if you're thinking an attack from them is inevitable. Not an Angel, Bud. How about you?

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9 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Neither are you. But as far as I know neither of us claimed to be. At least I didn't.

My point is if somebody attacks you, you can attack back. I'm even for sucker punching them first if you're thinking an attack from them is inevitable. Not an Angel, Bud. How about you?

That has been my position from the star and in all my posts that both Hamas and whatever else is there like Hezbolah or islamic jihad or whatever and Israel are committing acts of terrorism and both are guilty of killing civilians and neither of them are angels. But there are some here associated with Israeli state falsely misrepresenting the truth who claim Israel is the good versus the evil (the Arab terrorists).

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There may be arguable opportunities for finger pointing for both sides within the nuance of history but at the present calling what's happening "Apartheid" is nonsense and counter-attack can be marked off to self-defence. I won't ignore the obvious just to pander to the sanctimony of useful idiots being played by terrorists tricks of disinformation and the general agitprop coming from questionable global sources.

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11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

That has been my position from the star and in all my posts that both Hamas and whatever else is there like Hezbolah or islamic jihad or whatever and Israel are committing acts of terrorism and both are guilty of killing civilians and neither of them are angels. But there are some here associated with Israeli state falsely misrepresenting the truth who claim Israel is the good versus the evil (the Arab terrorists).

obvious lesser of two evils is obvious, and it isn't Israel

no need for morally nihilistic false equivalencies just because neither side is totally innocent

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On 6/8/2021 at 10:15 AM, Infidel Dog said:

And if Jews are racist by the new Prog definition of racist for defending themselves from Muslim missile attacks aren't Muslims racist for attacking in the first place?

Jews are not racist.

The ideology of Zionism is racist.

Kind of like how Muslims are not racist, but the ideology of ISIS is backwards, racist and bad for humans.

There are a very large number of Jews who oppose Zionism, and some are leading the fight against Zionism. At least the ideology that controls Israel's policies.

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On 6/8/2021 at 11:23 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

Hamas are the blatantly aggressive ones

they are the one's who put their rockets in residential neighborhoods, near schools, hospitals and try to kill Jews with indiscriminate attacks

saying deliberate targeting of civilians is far less blatantly aggressive than collateral damage as the result of retaliation on legitimate military targets is asinine

Palestinians in Israel are treated far better by Israel than Palestinan's in Gaza are treated by Hamas, that is not Israel's fault

20% of Israel is Arab, 0% of Gaza is Jewish, when it comes to racist governments, Israel is less of one to Arabs than Hamas is to Jews, by several orders of magnitude

you can call that bullshit all you want, but the facts do no reflect your feelings

Cutting through the bs above, which is nothing more than Hasbara PR comments, the truth is that Israel is an apartheid state and an occupying force, that has continued to annex more and more of Palesitnian land. The zionists who prefer to not be honest and truthful about the situation, give the above bs. Like they are somehow the victims. 

Here is some reality:

Israel no longer has the monopoly on information. 

Information travels easier, without the filteration. Here is more reality:

 

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On 6/14/2021 at 3:31 AM, Infidel Dog said:

No Marcus, here's some reality: the reason people have stopped responding to you is you're beginning to sound like whatever that is at the end of the video below - entertaining but nuts.

 

Due to evolution, people like you are disappearing.

Despite the negative news we are bombarded with, overall, the world, continues to get better. The world's moral and ethical compass cannot stomach what you promote.

Even if you have children, your backwards and racist view of the world, have little chance of being passed down. 

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On 6/10/2021 at 6:10 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

Hamas victimized those they claim to govern by using them as human shields

blaming Israel for that is dumb, they didn't shoot rockets at themselves

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have reported that Israel who has used Palestinians as human shield.

Even Israeli courts have had no choice but to acknowledge that Israeli soldiers have used Palestinians as human shields.

Blaming the victim is another case of the aggressor trying to win the PR war. It's typical bs hasbara PR stunt, that you continously repeat.

So you are either lacking knowledge, or you are no better than Infidel Dog, who lacks morality and ethics.

If you want to learn:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/israel-accused-of-war-crimes-in-gaza-by-amnesty-international-1.1988788

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/israel-gaza-idf-used-palestinians-as-human-shields-1200-occasions-in-last-five-years-say-israeli-defence-officials-30483468.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/6/18/the-fallacy-of-israels-human-shields-claims-in-gaza

https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields

https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/palestinians-use-human-shields/

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2 hours ago, marcus said:

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have reported that Israel who has used Palestinians as human shield.

Even Israeli courts have had no choice but to acknowledge that Israeli soldiers have used Palestinians as human shields.

Blaming the victim is another case of the aggressor trying to win the PR war. It's typical bs hasbara PR stunt, that you continously repeat.

So you are either lacking knowledge, or you are no better than Infidel Dog, who lacks morality and ethics.

If you want to learn:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/israel-accused-of-war-crimes-in-gaza-by-amnesty-international-1.1988788

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/israel-gaza-idf-used-palestinians-as-human-shields-1200-occasions-in-last-five-years-say-israeli-defence-officials-30483468.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/6/18/the-fallacy-of-israels-human-shields-claims-in-gaza

https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields

https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/palestinians-use-human-shields/

when you fire rockets from areas that surround civilians in high concentrations, that is using them as human shields

so that when the other side fires back at who was firing at them, it results in collateral damage that your side can use as PR to demonize the other side

and you fell for it

Israel doesn't use it's citizens as human shields, Hamas does though

you lack the knowledge, not the other way around

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Let's go through those 5 articles Marcus posted. He tells us we can learn something about human shields.

The first one seems fair enough. Two sides went to war and both sides made claims against the other. Israel claimed Hamas used human shields. 

The second is from 2014. It tells us the IDF has admitted to using human shields for 5 years on 1200 occasions.

It's the ol' leftie trick of lying a lot with a little bit of carefully selected truth.

What they're actually talking about is what the IDF was calling "Early Warning Procedures" where they send a Palestinian in to tell the terrorists the IDF is outside and they'd be smart to just come out.

It's true the IDF admitted to using the procedure 1200 times but what Marcus's socialist rag forgot to tell you was only 1 fatality resulted from those 1200 incidents. Also remember this was written in 2014. Another thing they forgot to tell you was this:

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IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz was swift to instruct IDF commanders to immediately enforce the High Court’s ruling which forbids the use of Palestinian civilians to assist security operations in the Palestinian territories.

 

"The IDF now expects soldiers, and anyone else, who know of a breach of the rules, to report them to commanders," wrote Major General Halutz. "Every incident will be investigated and treated severely," he added.

 

Halutz's orders were given out despite the IDF's claim that the army has already ceased using Palestinian civilians to aid them for a long period. Despite this, the Chief of Staff sent out new instructions in light of the High Court's ruling.

 

Halutz's new guidelines are primarily aimed at the 'early warning' practice' which has developed in the army recently, after a ban on the use of the human shield' procedure.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3154142,00.html

So the "early warning procedure" ended in 2014.

But that's the sort of thing Marcus is talking about when he says the IDF uses human shields.

Here's a guy they claim is from Hamas giving us a little illustration of sort of thing the rest of us think of when we think of human shields:

hamas-hangs-children.jpg

Could be false, I guess, but doesn't matter. I stand by my claim. That's the kind of thing most people think of when they think of Hamas human shields.

Marcus's next link gives another example of what we think of as human shields. Remember that one where Hamas had people rushing the Israeli border to provoke an Israeli counter-attack? Marcus offers us an Al Jazeera opinion piece telling us not to believe our lying eyes on that one and apparently Marcus is impressed.

The next link tells us this - "In 2005, the High Court of Justice ruled the practice unlawful, yet soldiers still occasionally used Palestinians as human shields, particularly during military operations."

2005 was about the time the second intifada was winding down. As I recall the second intifada was the one with the suicide bombers blowing up crowds in restaurants and such. Yeah, I can see the IDF say, sending a terrorist in to where they suspect a bomb might be during the second intifada. If that's still the case though or even was after 2005 Marcus hasn't shown us any evidence of it.

So, is that 5? Whatever, you get the picture. Marcus offered up some twisted BS from partial factoids then puffed himself up and postured a pose thinking nobody would actually read them.

 

 

       

 

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