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On 5/18/2021 at 5:18 PM, Zeitgeist said:

My whole point is that we shouldn’t create policies that create winners and losers in a zero-sum game.  Favouritism is wrong.  Merit is what counts, with the understanding that the strong help out those who can’t help themselves.  That’s a different position from collecting money from taxpayers and redistributing it and certain benefits to people based on skin colour or ethnicity.  

When the government declared that making and selling crack was illegal, they chose winners and losers.  When the government instituted a minimum wage, there were winners and losers.  When the government said you need a degree in order to be a doctor, there were winners and losers.  When the government put in common sense environmental regulations, or created income tax, or brought in fishing licenses, or made it legal for wealthy Canadians to incorporate themselves to avoid paying taxes, or set the rules around lobbyists so that the super rich have the ear of our government on a daily basis while the voters have the ear of the government ever four years, they picked winners and losers.  Just about everything the government does ends up influencing who gets to be wealthy.  For the government to refrain from it entirely, government would have to not exist.  If government didn't exist, what would fill the void it left behind?  Where are our roads, fire departments, schools, etc going to come from?

FWIW, indigenous people don't get benefits because of their skin colour.  There are white-passing Status Indians and there are folks who look native but aren't Status.  That whole schmozzle is super complicated and doesn't really boil down to "you are X race therefore you get a handout," it's more about "the government has tried to avoid culpability for certain crimes for decades and it's currently arbitrarily giving some people free money because it prefers that outcome to the one where it actually answer for its crimes under its own laws."

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20 hours ago, taxme said:

The way things are going on in communist Canada today, the Charter of Rights is nothing more than a piece of ass wipe paper. Our rights and freedoms are being violated every day because of this Covid 1984 hoax. All the Covid restrictions in place today are in violation of the COR, but yet, ask our comrade politicians if they really care about our rights and freedoms. To your face your welfare bum recipients will say yes to our rights and freedoms and that they must be protected. But behind your backs you get the communist up your ass COR anti-rights and freedoms finger. Hello? 

Covid equals communism. 

FREE THE FACE. ABOLISH THE MASK. :D

The next time someone asks why they should have to be taxed to pay for the education of someone else's child, show them this post, and ask if they want their child to be outvoted by people with this level of understanding.

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4 minutes ago, GrittyLeftist said:

The next time someone asks why they should have to be taxed to pay for the education of someone else's child, show them this post, and ask if they want their child to be outvoted by people with this level of understanding.

You have a lot of educating to do on here, if you choose to.

People feel that pro-business governments are 'Communist' because they have narrow cognitive capacity.  That's ok, but you might want to also investigate the 'ignore' feature.

Also - are you Canadian ?  And Communist ?  

Do you think it's ok for leftists to ignore the crimes of Stalin ?  What about the 1970s Philadelphia Flyers ?

Hm ?

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20 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

When you strip out the pure wool Québécois, Eastern fishermen, BC tree huggers, Alberta resource barons, Indigenous North and thousands of distinct groups, recent isolationist immigrants, and all other forms of exceptionalism, who speaks for Canada?

This is a really interesting question.  Why do we need to remove a bunch of Canadians from the equation in order to figure out who speaks for Canada?  Why would any of those people choose to remain in a country that needs to silence them in order to let the "real Canadians" have their say?

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1 hour ago, GrittyLeftist said:

The next time someone asks why they should have to be taxed to pay for the education of someone else's child, show them this post, and ask if they want their child to be outvoted by people with this level of understanding.

I don't support my tax dollars being used to teach kids they can choose whatever sexual identity they wish.  Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity (SOGI) is enforced by the BC government department of education and is a perverse lie.  The only possible way around this travesty may be for parents to home school their children.  Kids need to be protected from this vile brainwashing and other radical Marxist ideology, such as mankind evolved from the swamp slime and is only an animal.

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17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

In the real world, where we live, almost all FN people in Canada people have benefitted from the events of post 1492.

The stone age was brutal. It was dangerous, cold, dark, boring and there was no real culture to speak of. They didn't even have music. If you think I'm wrong then check your spotify account.

People might fantasize that they'd want to live in a stone age society on Vancouver Island but the reality is that's bullshit.

I'm not counting grievances by the FN people against Canada as anything with merit. The balance sheet favours them now, greatly. 

I'm especially not entertaining any conversations that sound like "Canadians are the worst ever, they're committing genocide", etc. The historical perspective that I brought into this argument is important. Humans are basically really shitty, Canadians - less so. 

I hope I never "benefit" from Canada like the FN have.  

"Didn't even have music?"  I've watched performances by drummers, singers and dancers.  I've seen totem poles and canoes from pre- and post-contact.  I've seen pictures of wampum belts, war paints and face masks.  If you don't like their culture, fine, that's about your subjective aesthetic and political preferences.  Claiming that they have "no real culture to speak of" is clearly false, and implies that you think you are the judge of what is, and isn't, culture.

The court cases are real, whether you choose to acknowledge them or not, and their consequences will also be real.  Ignoring the law doesn't make it go away, and a price deferred is a price increased.

I'm genuinely sorry if all you've heard me say is, "Canadians are the worst ever, they're committing genocide."  I'll have a couple people I know go through this thread and let me know where they think I could have communicated better, maybe I can do a better job next time.

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2 minutes ago, GrittyLeftist said:

I hope I never "benefit" from Canada like the FN have.  

"Didn't even have music?"  I've watched performances by drummers, singers and dancers.  I've seen totem poles and canoes from pre- and post-contact.  I've seen pictures of wampum belts, war paints and face masks.  If you don't like their culture, fine, that's about your subjective aesthetic and political preferences.  Claiming that they have "no real culture to speak of" is clearly false, and implies that you think you are the judge of what is, and isn't, culture.

The court cases are real, whether you choose to acknowledge them or not, and their consequences will also be real.  Ignoring the law doesn't make it go away, and a price deferred is a price increased.

I'm genuinely sorry if all you've heard me say is, "Canadians are the worst ever, they're committing genocide."  I'll have a couple people I know go through this thread and let me know where they think I could have communicated better, maybe I can do a better job next time.

Dancing around in painted faces and war costumes seems harmless on the surface but it is really a retrogressive harkening back to a heathen culture.  Let's be honest.  Many aboriginal cultures around the world involved murder, warring with neighbouring tribes, and various barbaric practices including cannibalism.  That's what missionaries put their lives at risk to travel to remote jungles in Borneo, Indonesia, Africa and other places to take the message of Jesus  Christ and the gospel of salvation for the aboriginal people.  Today we have modern man dressed in suits, living in fancy homes, and driving expensive cars who do not believe the gospel and prefer to support aboriginals returning to their heathen ceremonies and politicians supporting them.  Not all aboriginals agree with this and there are some who have been saved out of the darkness and embraced the gospel.  An example is the Tribal Trails Christian broadcast out of Saskatchewan.

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1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Dancing around in painted faces and war costumes seems harmless on the surface

only because the quasi fascistic ethnonationalist Indians are too divided & conquered to mount an effective insurgency

there is no Indian ANC, no Indian Mandela

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1 hour ago, GrittyLeftist said:

This is a really interesting question.  Why do we need to remove a bunch of Canadians from the equation in order to figure out who speaks for Canada?  Why would any of those people choose to remain in a country that needs to silence them in order to let the "real Canadians" have their say?

You missed my point, which is that Canada isn’t all about any single group.  We all compromise a bit because of the multiplier effect and cross-pollination of ideas that comes from the dialogue and combined talents of all individuals and groups.  The result, hopefully, is a strong, innovative, generous, and harmonious country that can stand on its own two feet.  

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5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You missed my point, which is that Canada isn’t all about any single group. 

nonsense, Canada was specifically designed & built for Victorian Scots German Monarchist Tories

the Orangemen of Upper Canada

GSTQ

 

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4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't support my tax dollars being used to teach kids they can choose whatever sexual identity they wish.  Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity (SOGI) is enforced by the BC government department of education and is a perverse lie.  The only possible way around this travesty may be for parents to home school their children.

Honestly, I don't really care about this all that much.  I think people should be free to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't harm someone else or conflict with someone else's higher priority freedom (ie the right to "life" ought to supersede the right to "travel" IMO).  If someone else wants to be a different gender, how does that harm anyone?  If gender becomes a fashion statement, once again, who is harmed?  Are anyone's rights being violated?  None that I am aware of.  JMO, I don't really care about this particular issue as much as the philosophical ideas behind it.

As I think about it, though, parents really like grandkids (as a general rule).  If their children freely choose not to have children, those parents don't get grandkids.  Maybe this is where a lot of the anger and anxiety comes from?  I dunno, just a thought.

Just did a bit of googling, turns out that "the legal concept of parental rights generally refers to a parent's right to make decision regarding a child's education, health care, and religion, among other things."  So parents could definitely argue that their right to make decisions regarding a child's education is being compromised (of course, parents could have been arguing this ever since we instituted public schools with curriculums).  That's interesting to me.  Personally, I tend to have more sympathy for children than parents, but that's a just a value judgement.  Again, I ain't got no dogs in this fight, but it looks like both sides have legal and philosophical arguments they can make to support their claims.  Gonna be interesting to see how this shakes out over the coming decades.

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I predict the next thing the Communists will come for is the Scots German regiments of the Canadian Army

the 48th Highlanders of Canada, the Black Watch of Canada, the Canadian Scottish

all those will have to go, it's just a matter of time before the Woke demand that they be cancelled

Scots Germans being White Supremacists n' all

General Brock included no doubt

 

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5 minutes ago, GrittyLeftist said:

Honestly, I don't really care about this all that much.  I think people should be free to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't harm someone else or conflict with someone else's higher priority freedom

well that doesn't fit into Canadian culture

Canadians are priggish nanny state authoritarians by nature

it's the only thing binding what's left of the Confederation together in the face of the American reb menace at the gates

culture is destiny, politics is down stream from there

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all solutions Canada related have to fit into Canadian culture

all solutions Canada related have to prop Canada up, as the apartheid state it inherently is

there is no sense writing pages about a fantasy utopia Canada that does not nor will ever exist

if you are talking about the Canada we actually live in, our realistic options are between extremely limited & nil

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

all solutions Canada related have to fit into Canadian culture

all solutions Canada related have to prop Canada up, as the apartheid state it inherently is

there is no sense writing pages about a fantasy utopia Canada that does not nor will ever exist

if you are talking about the Canada we actually live in, our realistic options are between extremely limited & nil

C’mon, Canada is the greatest, apart from the long winter.  

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4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

C’mon, Canada is the greatest, apart from the long winter.  

Britain was the greatest perhaps, Canada was the frozen hardship outpost of that Empire

the only reason Canada exists is to keep the French in, the Americans out, and the Indians down

the only war Canada ever fought for itself, was against the Northwest Rebellion to crush Riel

now restyled as the "Father of Manitoba" ha ha

Canadians only love you when you're dead

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52 minutes ago, GrittyLeftist said:

I hope I never "benefit" from Canada like the FN have.  

"Didn't even have music?"  I've watched performances by drummers, singers and dancers.  I've seen totem poles and canoes from pre- and post-contact.  I've seen pictures of wampum belts, war paints and face masks.  If you don't like their culture, fine, that's about your subjective aesthetic and political preferences.  Claiming that they have "no real culture to speak of" is clearly false, and implies that you think you are the judge of what is, and isn't, culture.

I'll say again, they have no real culture to speak of. Of course you must know that I'm talking about music, art, literature, etc? I'll say again, do you have any of their music on your iPod, or Spotify? 

Their contribution to man's legacy is their ability to survive 20,000 years on the frozen tundra. It is an incredible feat. TBH, if the Inuit weren't there before 1492 then I bet that most people would think that it would have been impossible for humans to survive in the stone age in the NWT. 

Don't forget, you and I had stone age ancestors too. I sure as F don't envy them, unless maybe they lived in the Yucatan.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You have a lot of educating to do on here, if you choose to.

People feel that pro-business governments are 'Communist' because they have narrow cognitive capacity.  That's ok, but you might want to also investigate the 'ignore' feature.

Also - are you Canadian ?  And Communist ?  

Do you think it's ok for leftists to ignore the crimes of Stalin ?  What about the 1970s Philadelphia Flyers ?

Hm ?

Haha nobody's asked me my political affiliations yet!  

I actually think I have a lot of learning to do here.  If I approach this with the attitude "I'm the one who knows the things worth knowing so I have to enlighten all these poor disadvantaged peons who weren't taught how reason works," I'm probably going to (deservedly) come across as a hypocritical, arrogant, pedantic asshole, and I don't think anyone will want to engage with me.  I sure wouldn't.  I'm trying to learn how to communicate with people who see the world differently.  I think teaching and learning are two sides of the same coin.  I've made some mistakes and I'll make more, but I'll put in a reasonable effort to learn from them and hopefully won't make the same mistake too many times.

I never intended to do this, but I accidentally grew into a person who can't ignore people - I can only abandon them.  Even if the person I am engaging with totally blows me off, the post will still be there, and someone else may come along later and find ideas worth considering.  That said, this is the internet and trolls are a thing.

Yes I am Canadian.  No I am not a Communist.  If I found a magic wand lying around, I would (currently) use it to create a collectivist society - everyone is in a group of 11 people, and each group has 1 person who is in a higher group of 11, all the way to the top, the highest group of 11 does not have a "leader."  All decisions are made democratically and people rise or fall through a combination of ability, time served, and acts of dedication/sacrifice to the greater good.  Poverty below a certain threshold would not be allowed, otherwise people would not have the education and leisure time necessary to fulfill their civic duties.  Wealth above a certain threshold would similarly be prohibited, otherwise a few privileged individuals would have the means to undermine the success of society.  I think that would make me an Anarchist of some type, or maybe a Collectivist?  I'm unsure if that's even a recognized ideology yet.

Until I find a magic wand, I am a Social Democrat - I want to work within the bounds of Capitalism using democracy to advocate for specific socialistic policies that I think will bring about a fairer, better world for most people.  I used to be a very angry, disillusioned and isolated radical leftist - basically, I focused on problems in society but had no one to share my conclusions with, so I "stewed in my own juices" for years and became quite misanthropic (dislike and distrust of humans).  I was lucky enough to meet people who were patient enough to endure my angry rants and they challenged me to focus on solutions instead of problems, and that was a big change for me.  

Gradually, over the course of... geez, 15 years or so now?... I've put a lot of hard work in to revisit my assumptions and to try to view myself from many different perspectives.  I could not have gone from the person I was then to the person I am now in one decision, or one conversation.  I don't expect to be able to magically change anyone else, but I do believe that if people have better information, they will make better decisions.

Oh, and I don't think Flyers were a hockey team in the 1970s.  Hockey is defined by the rules of the game, and when the rules are not being followed, it stops being hockey IMO.  I am an active user on the oilersnation and lowetide forums, but have been posting a lot less lately as I'm starting to see the NHL as a kayfabe league and other people are getting tired of me pointing it out.  As I see it, either the games are fair or they aren't, and either the rules are followed or they aren't.  Why should I care about the outcome of an unfair match?  This is super awkward for me because I've also been an Oilers fan since I was 3 years old.  Normally I would be super excited to watch Conner McDavid in the playoffs, now I just don't view playoff hockey as even being hockey.  In what other sport would they start ignoring rules, and keeping which rules are being ignored secret, as soon as the playoffs come around?  I wish the NHL would go out of business so they would be replaced by a halfway competent League.

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it's like this Bill C-10 Liberal Trotsky is trying to ram through

that's the Canadian Iron Curtain trying to keep Canadians locked away from the free world

musn't let them see Jordan Peterson, he's Canadian Emmanuel Goldstein

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57 minutes ago, GrittyLeftist said:

Honestly, I don't really care about this all that much.  I think people should be free to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't harm someone else or conflict with someone else's higher priority freedom (ie the right to "life" ought to supersede the right to "travel" IMO).  If someone else wants to be a different gender, how does that harm anyone?  If gender becomes a fashion statement, once again, who is harmed?  Are anyone's rights being violated?  None that I am aware of.  JMO, I don't really care about this particular issue as much as the philosophical ideas behind it.

 

Don't you think that if anyone could tell , do, act upon or believe what ever they want that it would cause total confusion. While at home you should have that freedom, but outside in public, here is a few problems, take the gender issue for instance, there has been cases of fathers being taken to court by the school districts for not calling his son, daughter as he wanted..., the case is in front of the justice system right now, proof that one can be harmed by the law.. or it has consqences....at one time it was thought the world was flat and we could sail off the edge, until science proved other wise... so why is this topic any different why have we disregarded any requirement to have it based in science or facts?  We seem to have shit tones of topics that we either let slip by as being harmless, or just don't have the time or energy to prove them wrong with facts, and in our laws....like anti vaxers and much more...

Second, we used to have everything taught in our school based on facts or proven by science not only is gender issues being taught in school , but it has a become fact in our laws, but has not been based on science or facts...It is getting crazy out there, and we don't need to encourage any more crazy... 

Yes by me preferring to be a fire truck as a gender is harmless, until someone goes to court, or the same person grows tired of being called a fire truck and wants to change it when they grow up, or more to the point having parents approve surgical operations to change gender, when science has already said the human brain is not fully developed until 20 or 25 not sure of the exact age...and maybe this is all just a young child being confused...So harm can be done, both by the law and surgically.

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see, again, Communism is not a system of governance, Communism is a result

Communism is the end state achieved by effecting the World Socialist Revolution

Communism eliminates the need for politics itself, because Communism is a post scarcity utopia

the person who actually put a stop to it, was Josef Stalin

instead, Stalin insituted a policy called Socialism In One Country

the USSR would be a post scarcity utopia unto itself, without having to effect the World Socialist Revolution

but of course, in order to do this, the USSR would have to keep people in

it would have to erect an Iron Curtain to prevent them from leaving the utopia and thereby undermining it

they would have to be frightened into propping up their own prison, by invoking the Americans as a menace at the gates

this is essentially how Canada works as well

tho in Canada it is wrapped in a velvet glove with a smiley faced Trudeau dynasty dictator instead of Stalin

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2 hours ago, GrittyLeftist said:

I agree with your interpretation, but I'm not sure what else Canada should have done.  Given that we can't beat them in a fight, even an unfair, arbitrary "rules based order" is preferable because it gives us an avenue to dispute things such as softwood lumber duties, however ineffectually, without getting thousands of pounds of bombs dropped on us.  Americans really get off on dropping bombs on people who can't fight back, it's kind of their thing.

 

...and Canada gets off benefiting from the Americans dropping bombs on people, including defence contracts, military procurements, NATO interventions, mining around the world, oil services contracts, etc.   A U.S. demise means that Canada and other nations will no longer have the big stick they have relied on to enforce the "rules based order", and if this is inevitable what Canada should have done may be quite different.

 

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Basically, if America is our buddy we are secure from any kind of invasion - America won't allow another military power to exist in the Western Hemisphere if they can help it.  ... Canada loves to see itself as the quiet voice of reason in the room when world leaders gather.  Is this actually true?  Probably not, but maybe every once in a while, and it makes a useful propaganda point.

 

It is no longer true and Canada's own government(s) have recognized the erosion of relevance and significance on the world stage.  Canada has less influence at the UN and may be paying a price internationally because of the close alignment (our buddy) with American policies and interventions (e.g. Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Haiti, Venezuela, Afghanistan, Saudi/Yemen, etc.).    Mexico, Cuba, Brazil, and other America's nations are not viewed as so closely aligned with the Americans...recently (and ironically), Canada still hasn't learned that the U.S. is not Canada's buddy where U.S. interests are concerned.

 

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If America is not our buddy things get a lot dicier.  Now we're worried about everything from their Air Force dropping bombs on us to their CIA assassinating our elected officials so that fascistic juntas can be installed, allowing their corporations to exploit our resources for pennies on the dollar, just like happened to many countries in Latin America. 

 

Canada is America's closest and oldest...enemy.   Risks and threats are assessed from Canada just like any other nation, including post 9/11 risks.     Methinks it is Canada that wants and needs the relationship to be more amicable and bilateral than it really is.   Canadian governments use words like "harmonizing" and "collaborating" despite the influence and power imbalance tilting mostly the American way.

American corporations are already exploiting Canadian resources, and Canada's governments beg them to do it (Foreign Direct Investment).   Canada lacks the population size, market size, and domestic capital to exploit resources on a national scale, depending on investment from and exports to the U.S. and other nations.   Canada is far more dependent on exports (30% of GDP) than either China (20%) or the United States (13%).

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