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I would have to say that I wish Jesus existed, but I don't really believe that he did.

I have several reasons to not believe that he's not real.

1.  In the temptation in the desert, Jesus used the phrase "It is written."  If the written scriptures were so important to Jesus then why didn't he write anything himself?  Theologians debate for hundreds of years on issues that Jesus could have settled by simply writing his own authoritative scripture, but he didn't.

2.  I believe it's the Gospel of John that mentions that people rose from the dead and came into Jerusalem after the crucifixion.  This would have been big news, but no writers of the period mention this event at all!

3.  The earliest writers of the Church use scriptural references in their writings, but not one of them ever mentions anything that an apostle actually said to them, or what any apostle said to anyone else that isn't written in scripture.  This seems strange since if the Jesus was real, and his apostles are real, then the early Church writers should have had real experiences to draw from that were outside of the scriptures.

4.  Jesus's mythology seems to have borrowed from MIthraism, Judaism, Buhdism, and etc...  

5.  Christianity believes in only one life, and then judgement, but in the gospels, reincarnation is alluded to.

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17 hours ago, FurriesRock said:

I would have to say that I wish Jesus existed, but I don't really believe that he did.

I have several reasons to not believe that he's not real.

1.  In the temptation in the desert, Jesus used the phrase "It is written."  If the written scriptures were so important to Jesus then why didn't he write anything himself?  Theologians debate for hundreds of years on issues that Jesus could have settled by simply writing his own authoritative scripture, but he didn't.

2.  I believe it's the Gospel of John that mentions that people rose from the dead and came into Jerusalem after the crucifixion.  This would have been big news, but no writers of the period mention this event at all!

3.  The earliest writers of the Church use scriptural references in their writings, but not one of them ever mentions anything that an apostle actually said to them, or what any apostle said to anyone else that isn't written in scripture.  This seems strange since if the Jesus was real, and his apostles are real, then the early Church writers should have had real experiences to draw from that were outside of the scriptures.

4.  Jesus's mythology seems to have borrowed from MIthraism, Judaism, Buhdism, and etc...  

5.  Christianity believes in only one life, and then judgement, but in the gospels, reincarnation is alluded to.

This short article substantiates the fact that Jesus did live on earth.  References to the fact are also recorded by secular (non-Christian individuals who lived at the time.  Two off hand were Tacitus and Josephus, a Jewish historian.

It makes no sense to say Jesus should have written Scriptures himself, when in fact, he is the Son of God or the third person of the trinity.  As such he is God.  The Bible teaches that men who wrote the Scriptures were inspired by God to write them.  In the beginning of the gospel of John,  Jesus is referred to as the Word.  The word is the Scriptures or Bible.  

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4 hours ago, blackbird said:

This short article substantiates the fact that Jesus did live on earth.  References to the fact are also recorded by secular (non-Christian individuals who lived at the time.  Two off hand were Tacitus and Josephus, a Jewish historian.

It makes no sense to say Jesus should have written Scriptures himself, when in fact, he is the Son of God or the third person of the trinity.  As such he is God.  The Bible teaches that men who wrote the Scriptures were inspired by God to write them.  In the beginning of the gospel of John,  Jesus is referred to as the Word.  The word is the Scriptures or Bible.  

Did Jesus really exist? Is there any historical evidence of Jesus Christ? | GotQuestions.org

Tacitus and Josephus only record that a story about a guy named Jesus was in circulation.  Neither one references a big event like people rising from the dead and coming to Jerusalem.

Why would God himself not write anything when on Earth if the written word were so important to him?  That doesn't make sense that God would only ever rely on sketchy second and third hand accounts.

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6 hours ago, FurriesRock said:

Tacitus and Josephus only record that a story about a guy named Jesus was in circulation.  Neither one references a big event like people rising from the dead and coming to Jerusalem.

Why would God himself not write anything when on Earth if the written word were so important to him?  That doesn't make sense that God would only ever rely on sketchy second and third hand accounts.

The Bible is the written revelation from God to mankind.  That is the way God chose to reveal his revelation.  Perhaps if you studied the Bible, the answer to your question might come to you more clearly.  But you prefer the answer given to you on a silver platter.  That's not how it works.  The truth is there.  It's up to you to read it.  

As for Jesus, the New Testament gospels are an account of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection on earth.  He was seen by many eyewitnesses after the resurrection.  There is no need for people outside the biblical writers to give that account.  Also, Israel was destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D. and probably almost everything written down was destroyed.  The early Christians were also outside that area in the first century and the writers of the N.T. survived the Roman destruction in 70A.D.  He also performed many miracles which are recorded in the gospels, proving he is who he said he was and proving he is God.

1 Corinthians ch2 explains a little of what we are talking about.

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11  For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15  But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. {judgeth: or, discerneth} {judged: or, discerned} 16  For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.   Unquote 1 Corinthians 2:11-16 KJV

You may gather from this that before someone can make any sense of the Bible or believe it, one must have a degree of an open mind or a willingness to learn about what it is saying.  Ask God to open your mind.  That is about all I can suggest.

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On 6/20/2022 at 1:06 PM, blackbird said:

The Bible is the written revelation from God to mankind. 

This is an outright lie that tarnishes all you say after.

The only thing of God that it reveals to those foolish enough to believe in the supernatural, is that the Yahweh/Jesus combo is a genocidal, homophobic and misogynous prick.

That is a truth of your vile God that I can argue and that you cannot argue against.

To follow the Gnostic Christian Jesus, I do not have to lie.

Perhaps you should look into him.

Regards

DL

 

 

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If Jesus existed, it proves that someone like him could even exist in this world at all. Which is the deeper question. Note that he was quickly butchered however, even by the everyday folk, the dunderheads who cheered when they offered him up, while letting the villainous murderer go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barabbas

According to all four canonical gospels there was a prevailing Passover custom in Jerusalem that allowed Pilate to commute one prisoner's death sentence by popular acclaim.  According to the Synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and the account in John, the crowd chose Barabbas to be released and Jesus of Nazareth to be crucified.

These same writers refer to Barabbas as a "notorious prisoner... who had committed murder". Notorious meaning he was well-known.

So in other words they made that choice wilfully. The first thing men did when they encountered their god... was kill him.

That sounds about right. So, it is possible.

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9 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

That sounds about right. So, it is possible.

Many myths are possible.

We can even make a moral Jesus out of the bible if we work real hard at it.

Unfortunately, the right wing ends with a hateful Jesus who will use Armageddon on us.

Christians use murder for much of their justice.

Regards

DL

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2 hours ago, French Patriot said:

Many myths are possible.

The myth already shows the problem. What the clamouring masses chose was treachery and murder, even unto themselves. Self harm one of the hallmarks of leftism, or better yet liberal society.

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