August1991 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 I reckon that O'Toole will be overthrown, soon. In the US, a president requires partisan senate support. In Canada, a PM requires caucus support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 I met briefly Erin O'Toole. I liked him. I met briefly Andrew Scheer. I didn't like him. ==== Likeability is not the issue. Conservatives have an obvious answer to conserving nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right To Left Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 48 minutes ago, August1991 said: I met briefly Erin O'Toole. I liked him. I met briefly Andrew Scheer. I didn't like him. ==== Likeability is not the issue. Conservatives have an obvious answer to conserving nature. "Conserving nature" Seems you're referring to a time before they turned into neoliberals on trade and tariffs 40 years ago. Back in the real old days, it was the Liberals who were always pushing for cutting import tariffs/ while Conservatives wanted to protect domestic production and commerce. And then sometime between the late 70's and the early 80's they switched ends with the Liberals to some extent. Not all, but the few protectionists left were found mostly in the Liberal Party (John Turner). And since the overall economy kept growing in 80's (along with growing levels of inequality cause of the loss of good jobs with factory closures) young people just kept working harder...even if for less money, and it's not until 40 years after that most of us have woke up and realized the numbers show us we were screwed over by big business that was already intending to outsource most of their production to Mexico, China and other Far East nations with dirt-poor wages, no unions and no health, labor or environmental laws either. When this bullshit 'free trade' narrative was first being pushed at us, we were given the snow job that .... oh sure, a few businesses will close...but they'll be the most inefficient ones that are most labour intensive....not the good jobs! Well, that one sure aged well! Our specialization and increasingly extended trade lines have made us more at risk of shocks caused by everything from disease pandemics to disruptions caused by penis-shaped ships stuck in canals! Like the Austin Powers comedy sketch that's still going on over in Egypt! This latest blockade is going to cost more than the 8 year closure of the Suez Canal after the 67 War with Israel that left 15 cargo ships stuck in the canal zone for the duration and thousands of larger ships having to be built, that would just go around Africa and avoid using the Canal. Even though it would add greatly to shipping costs to Europe. Anyway, not a free trade fan, no matter who's pushing it! But it seems like your Conservatives first need is to decide what it is they actually stand for after 40 years of economic liberalization. Those were not the 'conservative' values espoused by Stanfield, Dief or major provincial PC leaders. They need to get to policy debates and proposals before they spend more time on their leadership pageant to choose the next spokesmodel for the Party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 I am simply amazed that "progressives" - who want to change the world - have taken this issue. Surely, conservatives, want to preserve what we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted March 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Right To Left said: "Conserving nature" Seems you're referring to a time before they turned into neoliberals on trade and tariffs 40 years ago. ..... No, I mean conserving/protecting nature. Letting farmers be farmers... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 If Otoole could get out and meet people, more would like him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 O'Toole is the next person for the right honourable Doug Ford to leapfrog over, as he hurtles his way toward being Canada's next PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Why do Scheer and O'Toole have creepy grins that never go away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 O’Toole is inherently likeable and, unlike Trudeau, has a life story ordinary Canadians can identify with. For me, he comes across as less prim and proper than Scheer which is a good thing. Any Conservative leader has an uphill struggle in Canada. If the party replaces him with a right-wing firebrand, the Liberals will be very pleased. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 I am sick of people ripping the con leaders, yet praise the groping, racist, women hating , corrupt PM ever. Read Kinsellas story. The cult if Trudeau. You people are no different than the trumpers8 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 39 minutes ago, PIK said: I am sick of people ripping the con leaders, yet praise the groping, racist, women hating , corrupt PM ever. Not many on here, if any, praise Trudeau. He's generally defended as 'least worst' though and I'm not saying even that is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 9:57 PM, August1991 said: I reckon that O'Toole will be overthrown, soon. In the US, a president requires partisan senate support. In Canada, a PM requires caucus support. Overthrown and to be replaced by another liberal conservative pro globalist. The progressive conservative party is no more what one would call a real and true conservative party anymore. Conservatism has pretty much died in Canada. Only liberalism/socialism prevails now here in Canada. Even our Canadian media is all leftist liberal. In America they have a conservative TV channel called FOX News and plenty of conservative talk show host radio stations. There is no conservative TV channel and no conservative radio stations in Canada. The CRTC will not allow conservative TV and radio. We had at one time a TV channel called The Sun News Network and it lasted for about a year. And then the CRTC got them removed from the airwaves. O'Tool appears to be nothing more than just another liberal Tool. But for those who are conservative here than you must vote for the conservative People's Party of Canada and dam the consequences. What the hell do you have to lose? Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 16 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: O’Toole is inherently likeable and, unlike Trudeau, has a life story ordinary Canadians can identify with. For me, he comes across as less prim and proper than Scheer which is a good thing. Any Conservative leader has an uphill struggle in Canada. If the party replaces him with a right-wing firebrand, the Liberals will be very pleased. if the conservative party ever decided to put in and have a real and true firebrand conservative in place like Derek Sloan they may do really well in the next election. But the conservative party does not want firebrand conservatives like Derek Sloan. They only want firebrand leftist liberal leaders like liberal O'Tool. How can anyone in their right mind call O'Tool a conservative? The guy probably doesn't even know what conservatism is all about. O'Tool has probably been a liberal for all of his life. O'Tool could not get in the liberal party so he joined the not so conservative party. The guy is a liberal leftist joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Sometimes I think the CPC wants to stay in opposition forever. If so, they are doing a good job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Patrick Brown would have been a much better Premiere than DoFo. Being beholden to the fringe Right-Wing will always keep the CPC down. Stephen Harper "mostly" kept the crazies in his party at bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 18 hours ago, taxme said: What the hell do you have to lose? Just saying. What a slogan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) Quebec & Ontario . . . bought and paid for with many western dollars. The smug little prick will win again, Jagmeet Singh kicked to the curb where he came from. China shits on Canada . . . forever. The two Michael hostages pay the price. Happy days are here again . . . . Edited March 30, 2021 by Nefarious Banana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 45 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Quebec & Ontario . . . bought and paid for with many western dollars. The smug little prick will win again, Jagmeet Singh kicked to the curb where he came from. China shits on Canada . . . forever. The two Michael hostages pay the price. Happy days are here again . . . . You could blame the whole 2 Micheal's think on the US actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Boges said: You could blame the whole 2 Micheal's think on the US actually. It's not a 'blame thing' anymore . . . . . they are Canadians in a foreign prison. They should be here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 46 minutes ago, Boges said: You could blame the whole 2 Micheal's think on the US actually. Perhaps you would. Surely Meng is untouchable. But you would never blame the whole 2 Micheals 'think' on China, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 51 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Perhaps you would. Surely Meng is untouchable. But you would never blame the whole 2 Micheals 'think' on China, right? I would blame China, first and foremost. But that was petty retaliation for the US forcing us to keep her under House Arrest. Why can't we just let her go, in exchange for the Micheals release? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Boges said: Why can't we just let her go, in exchange for the Micheals release? Capitulating to Chinese criminality because they hold our people hostage - is that what you propose? Yes, the law is highly inconvenient to the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just now, OftenWrong said: Capitulating to Chinese criminality because they hold our people hostage - is that what you propose? Yes, the law is highly inconvenient to the left. Following the Law has gotten two Canadians citizens detained. I'm under no illusions that China is in the wrong here. But why is the US dragging their feet on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Following the Law has gotten two Canadians citizens detained. I'm under no illusions that China is in the wrong here. But why is the US dragging their feet on this? You would have to ask Uncle Joe that question. He has that option. If USA were to drop the charges, bingo. The game is over. I guess President Biden agrees with the Trump administration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Boges said: Following the Law has gotten two Canadians citizens detained. I'm under no illusions that China is in the wrong here. But why is the US dragging their feet on this? I guess the Americans still want her. Maybe our snail like judicial system should get on with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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