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4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

A short “yes” or “no” response to the “Do you take the Bible literally?” question, then, would not be helpful.

It would be of the reality of Jesus.

Is he your savior, as the apostles creed you likely swore, says you must believe?

Are you one of the immoral who will sin to be saved by abdicating Jesus' own laws?

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:


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DL

 

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2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nobody denies dinosaurs existed.  So that is a phony claim.  A talking serpent could well have happened.  As I said these events are supernatural in nature.  If you don't believe in the supernatural, there's not much anyone can say.  You have a mental block.

Indeed; called sanity and a decent moral sense, Satan.

Who taught an animal without vocal cords to speak,--- and who is more sane, --- one who idolizes a genocidal god the way you do, --- or one who would condemn such a vile degenerate god to hell?

I look forward to more of your deflections. 

Regards

DL 

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4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Maybe a better question would be “how do you know what to take in the bible literally and what not to”?

You take Genesis literally.

Do you take literally that you shouldn’t work on the Sabbath and those who do should be put to death?

If you don’t take this literally, why not?

Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Good question.  The answer for me is I have been blessed to have been exposed to dispensational theology beginning through a Minister at a church I attended.  Then books and articles on the internet on the dispensations.  This divides the Bible into different ages or dispensations.  The Old Testament, which you quoted, only applies to the nation of Israel at that time or age in history.  The church age began in the New Testament age or age of grace.  The beginning of the Church age is described in the beginning of the book of Acts.  Therefore the Church is not under the Old Testament laws and commandment given to Israel in the first five books of the Bible.  Although the ten commandments for the most part are universally accepted as applicable today, perhaps because their principles are re-stated in the New Testament in some ways.  In regard to the sabbath laws, that was strictly directed to the nation of Israel in Old Testament times and does not apply to the Church today.   But the principle of a day of rest of one day in seven is a universal principle because God rested on the seventh day after he created everything.  We recognize Sunday as the day of rest, but it is not a Biblical commandment.   Perhaps one studying the Bible might realize the Church started in the New Testament era, but there are many different interpretations of the Bible.  That is why there are so many different denominations, although most Protestant denominations still agree on some of the basic teachings.  For more information on dispensational theology,  you can Google it as well as read this article:

Dispensational Theology - The Gospel Coalition

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15 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Jesus said he did not come to change the Law.  Is there passages in the New Testament that you can point to that changes the Sabbath?

Colossians 2:16

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:”

King James Version (KJV)

Also see:

BIBLE VERSES ABOUT LAW AND GRACE (kingjamesbibleonline.org)

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Colossians 2:16

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:”

King James Version (KJV)

Also see:

BIBLE VERSES ABOUT LAW AND GRACE (kingjamesbibleonline.org)

If we’re to take Genesis literally, clearly that throws out anything like evolution theory. 
 

But you would agree that evolution is a completely mainstream idea and the basis of almost all biological science, correct?  
 

What other branches of science don’t conform to the bible and should be tossed out?

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3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Jesus said he did not come to change the Law.  Is there passages in the New Testament that you can point to that changes the Sabbath?

Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.

As the Jews taught at that time, man was above god.

Jesus also askes, have ye forgotten that ye are gods?

Most have. Not Gnostic Christians.

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DL

 

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2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

If we’re to take Genesis literally, clearly that throws out anything like evolution theory. 
 

But you would agree that evolution is a completely mainstream idea and the basis of almost all biological science, correct?  
 

What other branches of science don’t conform to the bible and should be tossed out?

Bible believers don't have much control over what the non-believing world does and evolution is taught in the public schools systems, probably practically everywhere.   It is not the job of Bible believers or churches to change the world system which is basically under the control of Satan.  The main thing for Bible believers and churches is to share the gospel.  I don't think a lot of energy should be wasted on trying to change the world's belief system on those periphery issues.  Not likely going to convince anyone who doesn't believe the Bible.   I'm not sure what you believe.  Do you have any beliefs?

The only thing offhand I can think of that would not conform to the Bible is the old earth theories which claim the earth is millions or hundreds of millions of years old.  A well-known Bible theologian has estimated the age of the earth at around six to ten thousand years I believe, although there is no precise age given or known.  The apparent old age of earth is explained by viewing it as having been created with an apparent old age at the time of creation, a supernatural event.  People who do not believe in a God of the Bible who has supernatural, infinite power would likely believe whatever the world tells them.

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14 hours ago, blackbird said:

The main thing for Bible believers and churches is to share the gospel.  I don't think a lot of energy should be wasted on trying to change the world's belief system on those periphery issues. 

You think the world is controlled by Satan, and yet you think it’s a periphery issue?  

Shouldn’t that be the most important issue ever?
 

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

Do you have any beliefs?

Of course!  Everyone has beliefs.  
 

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

The only thing offhand I can think of that would not conform to the Bible is the old earth theories which claim the earth is millions or hundreds of millions of years old.

What about the causes of disease?  Certainly the bible doesn’t say anything about germs causing disease.  It mentions disease being the results of sin.  But we now know, through the same scientific method as we know about evolution, that diseases are caused by germs.

Why, if Satan was controlling science, would he have given us germ theory…. Should we be thanking Satan for that?  Thanks you Satan for saving countless millions of lives and alleviating suffering by allowing us to discover Germ Theory.
 

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

People who do not believe in a God of the Bible who has supernatural, infinite power would likely believe whatever the world tells them.

Couldn’t the same thing be said of people who believe the bible to be true? 

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10 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You think the world is controlled by Satan, and yet you think it’s a periphery issue?  

Shouldn’t that be the most important issue ever?
 

Of course!  Everyone has beliefs.  
 

What about the causes of disease?  Certainly the bible doesn’t say anything about germs causing disease.  It mentions disease being the results of sin.  But we now know, through the same scientific method as we know about evolution, that diseases are caused by germs.

Why, if Satan was controlling science, would he have given us germ theory…. Should we be thanking Satan for that?  Thanks you Satan for saving countless millions of lives and alleviating suffering by allowing us to discover Germ Theory.
 

Couldn’t the same thing be said of people who believe the bible to be true? 

Well I guess Creation versus the Theory of Evolution is not a periphery issue, but some people are just not open to anything.  I wouldn't say it is the most important issue ever.  The question of where one is heading is pretty important;   heaven or hell.

I'm not sure I said Satan was controlling science.  He is a dominant force in the world system.   I can't say he controls things like science.  That doesn't sound like the correct way to look at it.  He does seem to control much of the world's thinking though.  But God is greater and God can convince anyone of anything if he so chooses to do so.   You could download a book called "Satan" by Lewis Sperry Chafer on Amazon.  The kindle version is not too expensive.  That will tell you probably more than you want to know but you will learn an incredible amount if you take it in.   

I could tell you a little about Satan, his origin and goal.   He was one of God's most beautiful angels in heaven in the distant past.  There is a common belief he is an ugly being with horns or some other grotesque figure.  But this is not correct. 

"15  Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16  By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17  Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18  Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19  All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."  Ezekiel 28:15-18 KJB

There is information about him if you put "Satan origin" or similar wording in a search window.  He is quite willing to do anything to achieve his goal to be like the most high, God.  He has most of the world deceived into believing he doesn't even exist.  That allows him to work on his agenda.  I will let you dig into it.  Let me know what you find out.

I am not sure what you meant with the last line, "couldn't the same thing be said of people who believe the bible to be true?"

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On 10/22/2021 at 9:47 AM, TreeBeard said:

You think the world is controlled by Satan, and yet you think it’s a periphery issue?  

Shouldn’t that be the most important issue ever?
 

 

You are correct to a degree, but I would add many dispute the existence of the Biblical God and his creation of the universe and mankind and his involvement with mankind in the way the Bible describes.  So that issue should be the most important.  But it is difficult to say absolutely what is the most important issue ever.  If one does not believe in the Biblical God, then that is a stumbling block and major issue too.  There is a video of a 1 hour 47 minute debate between the famous atheist, Richard Dawkins and John Lennox, which you may find interesting.

Richard Dawkins vs John Lennox | The God Delusion Debate - Bing video

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