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 The Canadian federal government has essentially destroyed Canada as a Christian nation in the past 50 years by bringing in a massive number of immigrants from the third world or non-Christian nations.  It was mainly done by the Liberals who cut off immigration from Christian countries and brought most in from non-Christian countries.  Many of these people come from pagan nations and do not believe in the Christian God, which is what Canada was built on for 150 years. An article on the website christianrootscanada.org describes how a big shift took place in the latter part of the 20th century.  Pierre Trudeau's Charter of Rights really put an end to Christianity in the public school system after it was adopted in 1982.  

"To make a long story short, Christianity wasn’t eradicated from Ontario’s school system until after the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was adopted in 1982. By 1990, two important court cases had determined that Christian influences within Ontario’s education system violated the Charter of Rights. Thus the Ontario government quickly eliminated those Christian influences. As Choquette notes, “For the first time, nearly 150 years after its founding, the Ontario public school system is required to be religiously neutral in its curriculum and activities” (p. 295). Neutrality in education is impossible, so what this really means is that Christian influences were replaced by secular influences.

Although most public schools across Canada today are thoroughly secular, that is a relatively recent development. Choquette writes, “Between 1850 and 1960, the vast majority of schools in Canada, whether public, separate, private, elementary, secondary, or post-secondary, were confessional schools. Given the small numbers of Canadians of religions other than Christian, this meant that schools were usually Christian” (pp. 291-292). This is clear evidence that Canada was a Christian country for most of its history."  -christianrootscanada.org

Odd that Christianity has been banned from the public school system in Canada, but in Ontario a recent law requires public schools to make accommodation for other religions.

"Over the last few years, religious accommodation in Canadian schools has been a subject of much controversy. Parents, schools and residents have argued about the role of religion in our public school system, with each side weighing in strong personal and legal opinions. Earlier this year, The Peel District School Board allowed Muslim students to offer Friday prayers in the school, with some restrictions. Muslim students see these restrictions as a breach of their fundamental freedom of religion, while others see the accommodation as a “genuflection to one community and a slap in the face of all other Canadians ”. Clearly, these are some serious and strong words and a reflection of the societal rift that the accommodation of religious practices in the public school system is causing."

Keep religion out of Canadian schools – Politics and All…Eh! (wordpress.com)

Of course this is the call from the liberal and left who are working to turn Canada into a heathen culture.

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Yeah, they let me in, the heathen bastards.

I agree with you that Islam should be allowed in schools as much as Christianity.  Social studies and that's it.  No prayers.

Posted
1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, they let me in, the heathen bastards.

I agree with you that Islam should be allowed in schools as much as Christianity.  Social studies and that's it.  No prayers.

I agree that religion should be taught in schools, as a practicum for critical thinking.   With any luck, we'd run out of religious people within a generation (or two, to account for the home-schooled).

And, if we didn't allow religious people to immigrate to Canada, we could make conservatives and aetheists both happy!  Only the leftists would be sad.  (Need that mwah wah sound effect here).

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8 hours ago, bcsapper said:

 

I agree with you that Islam should be allowed in schools as much as Christianity.  Social studies and that's it.  No prayers.

Of course there are Christian prayers in school.

 

They even had the Lord's Prayer on the speakers only a few years ago.

 

Let's stop feeding hysteria.  If people want a Christian nation they can move to one.

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We should be teaching our Canadian values: honesty, hard work, pragmatism, tolerance, and community.

Things like that.  Christianity has drifted so far from its principles that it's almost irredeemable at this point.  Just extract the principles and fumigate the brainless Jesus worship part.

 

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3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Of course there are Christian prayers in school.

 

They even had the Lord's Prayer on the speakers only a few years ago.

 

Let's stop feeding hysteria.  If people want a Christian nation they can move to one.

I wasn't saying there wasn't.  I've never been to school in Canada.  I was saying there shouldn't be.

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 Just extract the principles and fumigate the brainless Jesus worship part.

Isn't that the very raison d'etre?

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There are only 1,631,000 Christians in Canada ( Traditionally referred to as The One True Faith.) If you add in the members of the United Church of Canada which is unofficially related to the Christian Church, it still only adds up to about two million, out of a population of 38 million. On the other hand, while Christians may be a minority, the Head of the Christian Church is also the Head of State. We do not have an American style separation of Church and State since they are one and the same. Most Canadians who follow a religious faith are Disenters, Roman Catholics Jews Muslims, Hindu's, Sikhs and Eastern Orthodox. Many others have no affiliation to an organized religious faith.

Is it reasonable to give preference to 5% of the population in the school curriculum? Is it feasible to cover all faiths that exist in Canada and do each justice? That is why we have places of worship, to instruct the faithful. School is not the place. That is the place to teach math, chemistry and physics.

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Posted
5 hours ago, bcsapper said:

1. I wasn't saying there wasn't.  I've never been to school in Canada.  I was saying there shouldn't be.

2. Isn't that the very raison d'etre?

1. Why not though ?  Because why ?  I think any subgroup that is socially acceptable should be allowed to have a 'club' and that effectively is what school prayer is today.
2. Of school ?  I don't know that they teach anything like that but ... you know I live with a teacher so maybe I should ask ?

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

There are only 1,631,000 Christians in Canada  

Source ?  

 

  • According to the 2011 National Household Survey, the largest religion in Canada was Christianity. About 22.1 million people—or just over two-thirds (67.3%) of the population—reported that they were affiliated with a Christian religion. Catholics were the largest Christian religious group in 2011, at 12.8 million people.


https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/91-003-x/2014001/section03/33-eng.htm

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By the Christian religion, I mean the Protestant religion. By the Protestant Religion I, of course, mean the Church of England, (My favourite line in Tom Jones.) The One True Faith. If other religions are called pagan, then what is wrong with invoking the One True Faith. All religions have a place in Canada and deserve respect, including atheism. Our official narrative is that in the Coronation, the Queen is annointed by God through the Archbishop of Canterbury. We are very fortunate to live in a time when the mainstream religions are coming together in community. When a Synagogue was defaced in a major Canadian city, the members of the local Islamic congregation came to help clean the building. We have a community of faiths in Canada. Christianity has only been here for the last 400 years out of the last 12000 -15000 years of human settlement here. We have had many religions here. None are more important than the others.

Schools need to ensure our children enter the adult world with greater scientific literacy than previous generations. Teaching religion should be the mission of the religious communities, not schools.

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30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Why not though ?  Because why ?  I think any subgroup that is socially acceptable should be allowed to have a 'club' and that effectively is what school prayer is today.
2. Of school ?  I don't know that they teach anything like that but ... you know I live with a teacher so maybe I should ask ?

1) Informal groups, like crocheting or saxophone playing, sure.  Fill your boots.  Is that what prayer in schools is?  All schools?

2) Of Christianity.

Posted (edited)
25 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

By the Christian religion, I mean the Protestant religion. By the Protestant Religion I, of course, mean the Church of England, (My favourite line in Tom Jones.) The One True Faith. If other religions are called pagan, then what is wrong with invoking the One True Faith. All religions have a place in Canada and deserve respect, including atheism. Our official narrative is that in the Coronation, the Queen is annointed by God through the Archbishop of Canterbury. We are very fortunate to live in a time when the mainstream religions are coming together in community. When a Synagogue was defaced in a major Canadian city, the members of the local Islamic congregation came to help clean the building. We have a community of faiths in Canada. Christianity has only been here for the last 400 years out of the last 12000 -15000 years of human settlement here. We have had many religions here. None are more important than the others.

Schools need to ensure our children enter the adult world with greater scientific literacy than previous generations. Teaching religion should be the mission of the religious communities, not schools.

Multiculturalism, which is what you are advocating, means Canada has no borders and belongs to the rest of the world.  That is a failed policy which is wrecking Canada by changing it from a basically Christian culture to a pagan third world culture.  You can have freedom of religion and respect everyone's right to practice their own religion without agreeing with their beliefs.  Of course that means nobody should be defacing a mosque or synagogue or insulting or attacking people of other religions. But there is no such thing as a genuine Bible believer agreeing with false religion which is what you are implying with the term "community of faith".  The Bible is clear.  There is only one God, the God of the Bible, who appeared on earth as Jesus Christ.   There are churches who claim to be Christian but reject the Bible as well.  Some preach a social gospel yet reject Biblical truths such as the sanctity of life and they support abortion on demand and MAID (the United Church supports MAID).  A social gospel is not the true gospel or central message of the Bible.

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Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

By the Christian religion, I mean the Protestant religion. By the Protestant Religion I, of course, mean the Church of England, (My favourite line in Tom Jones.) The One True Faith. If other religions are called pagan, then what is wrong with invoking the One True Faith. All religions have a place in Canada and deserve respect, including atheism. Our official narrative is that in the Coronation, the Queen is annointed by God through the Archbishop of Canterbury. We are very fortunate to live in a time when the mainstream religions are coming together in community. When a Synagogue was defaced in a major Canadian city, the members of the local Islamic congregation came to help clean the building. We have a community of faiths in Canada. Christianity has only been here for the last 400 years out of the last 12000 -15000 years of human settlement here. We have had many religions here. None are more important than the others.

Schools need to ensure our children enter the adult world with greater scientific literacy than previous generations. Teaching religion should be the mission of the religious communities, not schools.

Canada had Christian/Bible teaching in schools for 150 years.  Quebec of course had Catholic run schools and Ontario and the rest of Canada had a mixture of Catholic and Protestant schools.  At least there was a degree of Christianity taught in many schools.  That is what Canada was built on.  Today, Christianity is rejected by schools and replaced with secular humanism, Marxism, and liberalism which is wrecking society.  Students are taught sex education in a way that condones pre-marital sex, gender identity change, sexual orientation, and whatever goes in the new progressivism.

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16 hours ago, dialamah said:

I agree that religion should be taught in schools, as a practicum for critical thinking.   With any luck, we'd run out of religious people within a generation (or two, to account for the home-schooled).

And, if we didn't allow religious people to immigrate to Canada, we could make conservatives and aetheists both happy!  Only the leftists would be sad.  (Need that mwah wah sound effect here).

You're a bigot.

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

We should be teaching our Canadian values: honesty, hard work, pragmatism, tolerance, and community.

Things like that.  Christianity has drifted so far from its principles that it's almost irredeemable at this point.  Just extract the principles and fumigate the brainless Jesus worship part.

 

Jesus Christ is the central message of the Bible.  That is what Christianity is all about.  Without Christ there is no Christianity.  BCSapper had that part correct, the raison d'etre

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27 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Informal groups, like crocheting or saxophone playing, sure.  Fill your boots.  Is that what prayer in schools is?  All schools?

Ok well religious clubs in school, or prayer rooms... the parents won't accept those being banned and I doubt you would survive a court challenge for that.

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37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

He himself denies that with his teachings.

"What did Jesus mean when He said, “I am the way and the truth and the life” (John 14:6)?

In John 13:33, Jesus said, “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come.” This prompted Peter to ask where He was going (verse 36). Peter and the others did not understand that Jesus was speaking of His death and ascension to heaven. Jesus’ response was, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” Peter was still misunderstanding and declared that he would follow Jesus anywhere and even lay down His life if necessary. As Jesus patiently continued to teach His disciples, He began speaking more plainly about heaven, describing the place He was going to prepare for them (John 14:2–3). Then Jesus said, “You know the way to the place where I am going” (verse 4). Speaking for the others, Thomas said they did not know where He was going, so how could they know how to follow Him there? It was in answer to this question that Jesus uttered one of the seven famous “I am” statements.

I am – In the Greek language, “I am” is a very intense way of referring to oneself. It would be comparable to saying, “I myself, and only I, am.” Several other times in the Gospels we find Jesus using these words. In Matthew 22:32 Jesus quotes Exodus 3:6, where God uses the same intensive form to say, “I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” In John 8:58, Jesus said, “Truly, truly I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.” The Jews clearly understood Jesus to be calling Himself God because they took up stones to stone Him for committing blasphemy in equating Himself with God. In Matthew 28:20, as Jesus gave the Great Commission, He gave it emphasis by saying, “I am with you always, to the end of the age.” When the soldiers came seeking Jesus in the garden the night before His crucifixion, He told them, “I am he,” and His words were so powerful that the soldiers fell to the ground (John 18:4–6). These words reflect the very name of God in Hebrew, Yahweh, which means “to be” or “the self-existing one.” It is the name of power and authority, and Jesus claimed it as His own.

The way – Jesus used the definite article to distinguish Himself as “the only way.” A way is a path or route, and the disciples had expressed their confusion about where He was going and how they could follow. As He had told them from the beginning, Jesus was again telling them (and us) “follow me.” There is no other path to heaven, no other way to the Father. Peter reiterated this same truth years later to the rulers in Jerusalem, saying about Jesus, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). The exclusive nature of the only path to salvation is expressed in the words “I am the way.”

The truth – Again Jesus used the definite article to emphasize Himself as “the only truth.” Psalm 119:142 says, “Your law is the truth.” In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus reminded His listeners of several points of the Law, then said, “But I say unto you . . .” (Matthew 5:22, 28, 32, 34, 39, 44), thereby equating Himself with the Law of God as the authoritative standard of righteousness. In fact, Jesus said that He came to fulfill the Law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17). Jesus, as the incarnate Word of God (John 1:1) is the source of all truth.

The life – Jesus had just been telling His disciples about His impending death, and now He was claiming to be the source of all life. In John 10:17–18, Jesus declared that He was going to lay down His life for His sheep, and then take it back again. He spoke of His authority over life and death as being granted to Him by the Father. In John 14:19, He gave the promise that “because I live, you also will live.” The deliverance He was about to provide was not a political or social deliverance (which most of the Jews were seeking), but a true deliverance from a life of bondage to sin and death to a life of freedom in eternity.

In these words, Jesus was declaring Himself the great “I Am,” the only path to heaven, the only true measure of righteousness, and the source of both physical and spiritual life. He was staking His claim as the very God of Creation, the Lord who blessed Abraham, and the Holy One who inhabits eternity. He did this so the disciples would be able to face the dark days ahead and carry on the mission of declaring the gospel to the world. Of course, we know from Scripture that they still didn’t understand, and it took several visits from their risen Lord to shake them out of their disbelief. Once they understood the truth of His words, they became changed people, and the world has never been the same.

So how do we follow Him today? The same way the disciples did long ago. They heard the words of Jesus and believed them. They took His words and obeyed them. They confessed their sins to Jesus as their Lord and God. They believed that He died to take the punishment of their sins and rose from the dead to give them new life. They followed His example and command to tell others the truth about sin, righteousness, and judgment. When we follow Him in “the way,” we can be assured of following Him all the way to heaven."   

- gotquestions.org

Posted
59 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok well religious clubs in school, or prayer rooms... the parents won't accept those being banned and I doubt you would survive a court challenge for that.

I doubt I'd survive a court challenge for much I espouse.

So no prayers of any kind in any Canadian schools except informal meetings of student organised groups, outside of class time?  I did not know that.

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15 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Schools need to ensure our children enter the adult world with greater scientific literacy than previous generations. Teaching religion should be the mission of the religious communities, not schools.

I could almost agree with that.   I would strongly agree that there should be absolutely NO religious ANYTHING in public schools - and that includes "accommodating" any religious BS in dress, behaviour, schedules, etc.

On the other hand, we allow religious schools (such as SK's Catholic system) where there are classes in religion, but the balance of the curriculum is devoid of any bias within STEM, history, language and social studies from religious beliefs.

I could live with the schools going either way, but absolutely no tolerance for distorting the truth and reality from religious beliefs in the balance of eduction.

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Just to ensure I was not misunderstood, religion has always been a vital part of the human experience. My concern is that too many people are leaving school without a clear understanding of what we are faceing in the coming climate crisis. Math, geography chemistry and physics are the subjects that are most vital to study and develop. 

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The missionaries arrived on the Great Plains, tried to get the many Indian factions to discard their environmental based religion (Father sky-Mother earth) and believe what the newcomers believed. Strange dudes on strange animals following stars, baby born with out copulation, dead guy rising to live again, baby floating down a river, walking on top of water, splitting the water so you can walk across, etc., etc., the list is long.

The earth based 'religion' of the Indians was/is completely applicable to the everyday life on the plains.  European religion can be the downfall of any society. 

My God is tougher than your God . . . . I'll go to war with you just to prove it.

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Posted
43 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think that's correct...

We're more advanced than I thought!

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