A healthy economy provides high quality health care and education, an unhealthy economy not so much

[oops]

Our governments have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on ill advised measures from unelected doctors. Our children will pay the price

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, oops said:

Our governments have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on ill advised measures from unelected doctors. Our children will pay the price

Anything to back up this offering of yours ?

[oops]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Anything to back up this offering of yours ?

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/02/19/1986824/0/en/Fraser-Institute-News-Release-This-year-the-Ontario-government-will-spend-more-on-debt-interest-costs-than-on-post-secondary-education.html

Government interest payments divert resources away from health care, education and social services, and limit the ability of governments to provide tax relief,” 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/clearing-health-care-backlog-caused-by-covid-19-will-require-1-3b-in-additional-funding-cma-1.5161172

TORONTO -- Clearing the health care backlog of surgeries and scans delayed by the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic will require more than a billion dollars in government funding, according to a new study.

 

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/growing-debt-burden-for-canadians.pdf

Interest payments are a major consequence of debt accumulation. Governments must make interest payments on their debt similar to households that must pay interest on borrowing related to mortgages, vehicles, or credit card spending. Revenues directed towards interest payments mean that there is less money available for tax cuts or government programs such as health care, education, and social services.

https://theconversation.com/huge-government-debts-mean-canada-is-robbing-its-kids-147977

Before the pandemic, the combined federal and provincial Canadian debt totalled $1.4 trillion. And since then, this debt has rapidly grown, with governments borrowing another $300 billion in the current year alone. This debt will be mostly repaid by our children, their children and their children’s children.

This raises a moral matter of how we are treating our young and future Canadians. Is it ethical for governments to increase spending by placing greater debts on future generations?

Isn’t contractually placing our children into a monetary form of debt bondage morally indefensible? And how might we objectively judge government borrowing policies to ensure justice for future generations?

 

 

[oops]

What makes the whole situation more unfortunate is that our doctors totally misdiagnosed the nature of covid19. They based their response on that  designed for the H1N1 influenza virus of 1918. This response was totally inappropriate for covid19, and resulted in many thousands of needless deaths, while preventing none.

[366h34d]

It was on the radio this morning 

56 minutes ago, oops said:

What makes the whole situation more unfortunate is that our doctors totally misdiagnosed the nature of covid19. They based their response on that  designed for the H1N1 influenza virus of 1918. This response was totally inappropriate for covid19, and resulted in many thousands of needless deaths, while preventing none.

I hear the same idea this morning in my local radio.

1918 Pandemic expert, Professor James Harris, on COVID parallels and differences.

https://omny.fm/shows/roy-green-show/1918-pandemic-expert-professor-james-harris-on-cov

 

Canada is doom. JT tries to solve pandemic by giving people money.

[cannuck]

"Our doctors" vs. what, "their" doctors???   The medical profession worldwide did not understand the SARS Cov2 virus well enough to be very effective at the beginning.  Epidemiologists were kind of shunted to the back as they had not really had an international stage (in spite of H1N1 and SARS act 1).  The BIG failure was government letting endless infected people come to Canada with ZERO restriction or monitoring at the beginning - when epidemiologists had already tried to warn.  The second big failure was the significant portion of the general public that simply ignored warnings and continued to comingle with little to no change in behaviour.   The third one was the idiotic belief that putting a rag over your face is going to save your sorry ass.

[oops]

Our doctors and their doctors are pretty much all WHO doctors. They based their plan for controlling ccovid19 on the pandemic of 1918. Of course covid19 is very much different from the 1918 H1n1 virus. In 1918 H1n1 infected one third of the worlds population, resulting in the death of 10% of those infected. It killed people with healthy immune systems, and people with weak immune systems. Cpvid19 is very different. In Canada it has so far infected 1.2% of the population. Of the cases that have been resulted in death or recovery, the recovery rate is over 96%. Of the 4% that died 75% were residents off long term care homes. The recovery rate for people not living in long term care homes is 99%.  The people in these homes were essentially locked down not seeing people outside of their bubble anyway, but the doctors convinced the government to lock down everyone else .  Justin borrowed $300 billion to address the damage resulting from the  general lock down, when 5 to 10 billion invested in improving the long term care homes would actually done much  more good, and prevented many thousands of deaths caused by collateral damage.

[366h34d]

2 hours ago, oops said:

Our doctors and their doctors are pretty much all WHO doctors. They based their plan for controlling ccovid19 on the pandemic of 1918. Of course covid19 is very much different from the 1918 H1n1 virus. In 1918 H1n1 infected one third of the worlds population, resulting in the death of 10% of those infected. It killed people with healthy immune systems, and people with weak immune systems.......

It is WHO issue. The WHO that we knew is long gone.
Anyway, I don't believe we read the data correctly. In few instances, we see it just kills regular people too(when it first came to NA, last few week in US ..... ). So, lockdown is needed, just we go too far in the lockdown. and we completely fail in long term care homes. 

[oops]

1 hour ago, 366h34d said:

lockdown is needed

In fact the lockdown is not needed, it is of no help to anyone.  It  has strained our health system, burdened our economy, killed our elderly, turned us into a sedentary society and divided into groups of haters that confront each other in the street. It has caused us to shun our neighbours who we regard  virus incubators,  likely to cause our demise. The actions of our government would be criminal if we could prove intent. I personally think that they couldn't even spell the word, even if you gave them a dictionary, and opened it to the appropriate page.

[OftenWrong]

6 hours ago, cannuck said:

Epidemiologists were kind of shunted to the back as they had not really had an international stage (in spite of H1N1 and SARS act 1). 

We did not hear their expert advice. I am also aware that various doctors, some whom are heads of a department in a hospital have written the government in protest of these measures. Where care is given, it is being done substandard all for the sake of some absurd argument that it prevents spread of Covid-19.

Because naive persons have acquired the sepulcher of power and they wield it foolishly.

[cannuck]

26 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

We did not hear their expert advice.

That's because you weren't listening.   If you mean we didn't hear it from our Prime Mistake or Mother Theresa: that of course is true.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, cannuck said:

That's because you weren't listening.   If you mean we didn't hear it from our Prime Mistake or Mother Theresa: that of course is true.

That is what I meant, we only heard from them. The health authority whom they take advisement from are pseudo-medical types. Besides, just knowing how to stop a virus should not give one sanction to decide how to run a whole country.

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, oops said:

In fact the lockdown is not needed, it is of no help to anyone.  It  has strained our health system, burdened our economy, killed our elderly, turned us into a sedentary society and divided into groups of haters that confront each other in the street. It has caused us to shun our neighbours who we regard  virus incubators,  likely to cause our demise. The actions of our government would be criminal if we could prove intent. I personally think that they couldn't even spell the word, even if you gave them a dictionary, and opened it to the appropriate page.

How's China doing these days.  Never hear anything from their pathological govt.  Turn loose some concocted pathogen and watch the rest of the world stagger.  Who knows for sure.  

[WestCanMan]

On 12/13/2020 at 5:14 PM, 366h34d said:

1918 Pandemic expert, Professor James Harris, on COVID parallels and differences.

Good find. It's always totally worthwhile listening to actual experts and students of history.

Just in case you're wondering what leftists think about covid, here's one of CNN's experts: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/20/europe/greta-thunberg-coronavirus-climate-change-trnd/index.html

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Canada is doom. JT tries to solve pandemic by giving people money.

For some weird reason he's actually spending most of that money on Canadians if you can believe it.

Usually when he's giving our taxpayer money away it's going to his friends at Loblaws or We (where it finds it's way into the pockets of his mom/wife/brother), foreign countries, or to the CBC and 'select' media corporations.

Aside from that all he does is denigrate Canadians, fear-mongering against police, virtue-signal, run our judicial system singlehandedly and destroy entire sectors of the economy.

Yeah, doomed is the right word.