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14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I don’t think

You could have stopped right there BeaverFever. You actually don't think about things like this with an open mind, whenever you see that Trump 'did something' you clutch at the first bias-confirming opinion that you hear like a drowning man clutching at a straw.

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Trump is extremely effective at anything except getting suckers to take HCQ, horse dewormer and other quack cures.

Sorry to be a downer, but this isn't an example of you being cute or smart, you're just showing that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

FYI Trump never lost credibility on HCQ. Trump talked about a promising new study on an off-patent drug which was proven to be 1) effective against viruses and 2) safe - over 7 decades & billions of doses administered to hundreds of millions of people. 

An example of losing credibility on the topic of HCQ is the Dems, the Liberals and the Lancet. You can look that up if you want, I'm not your covid sherpa.

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And it’s not like he’s effective because he’s some great orator or cunning deceiver, it’s because his followers are so willing and credulous, and because  his fragmented word salad rants are so incoherent it’s a rorschach test where his audience can interpret whatever they want from it. 

OMG dude, just think about the fact that you had to go completely off the topic of foreign policy to rant incoherently about things that you were just incorrect about, and then you topped it off with enough irony to protect an entire battleship from 16" shells by alluding to Trump's 'fragmented word salad'. 

FYI Trump can answer questions on the spot, at length, without 'losing his words', unlike Biden and Trudeau, who are literally two of the worst politicians ever in NA in that regard. https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/justin-trudeau-tongue-tied-cutting-plastic-waste-video

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“We…uh…uh…we have recently switched to drinking water bottles out of…water out of when we have uh bottles out of uh plastic, sorry, away from plastic towards uh paper — like drink box water bottles sort of things,”

Not only is he stupid, and blatantly lying (no one sells water in tetra packs), he's just a stammering imbecile. 

 

Beaverfever - the topic of the post that you quoted was Trump's ME/far east effectiveness. Do you have any damning evidence to chime in with on that topic or can I consider your weak attempts at discrediting him on other topics as an admission that his record in dealing with the ME/far east is beyond reproach?

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:
15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

You could have stopped right there BeaverFever. You actually don't think about things like this with an open mind, whenever you see that Trump 'did something' you clutch at the first bias-confirming opinion that you hear like a drowning man clutching at a straw.

That’s the most hilarious and false thing I’ve read in a while. You’re a brainwashed Trump worshipper who believes in far-fetched conspiracy theories and Trump’s god-like infallibility. Literally 100% of what you believe is based on who you worship and the long list of people you hate.  You are so hypocritical and your logic so twisted and convoluted, that’s how I knew from day 1 you had so little education and called it out how obvious it is.   You daily foam at the mouth over Hilary, Obama, Biden, Trudeau with insane, fabricated and/or exaggerated nonsense and then complain that people are anti-Trump?  LMAO. PATHETIC

 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Sorry to be a downer, but this isn't an example of you being cute or smart, you're just showing that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

FYI Trump never lost credibility on HCQ. Trump talked about a promising new study on an off-patent drug which was proven to be 1) effective against viruses and 2) safe - over 7 decades & billions of doses administered to hundreds of millions of people. 

An example of losing credibility on the topic of HCQ is the Dems, the Liberals and the Lancet. You can look that up if you want, I'm not your covid sherpa.

You are absolutely clueless.  This is a perfect example of how ignorant and brainwashed you are. The fact that HCQ is not an effective COVID treatment and poses serious health rusks is only half the problem. Trump is not qualified to promote, recommend or endorse any “promising new study” on potential treatments that he found on Google. And it was not “a promising new study “ There are literally hundreds if not thousands of researchers studying different treatments most of which result in failure as HCQ did. There was nothing particularly special about this obscure  HCQ study by this obscure researcher, it was in no way justifiable for it to be highlighted by the POTUS of all people.  It was completely reckless and dangerous and yet another pointless distraction.  The fact that HCQ has been determined to be completely ineffective vs COVID is proof of that.   Its not the presidents job to find the cure or to find and “promising research”  on the internet. It was just another obvious absurdity that everyone except his brainwashed followers could see would end badly.  Or as you would say “I totally predicted it”. Now the Trumptards are into horse dewormer as the next fraudulent cure for some reason. 

 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI Trump can answer questions on the spot, at length, without 'losing his words', unlike Biden and Trudeau, who are literally two of the worst politicians ever in NA in that regard. https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/justin-trudeau-tongue-tied-cutting-plastic-waste-video

They’re each awful in their own way but Trump rambles incoherently all the time with no real point like a true blabbermouth who’s never at a loss for words   He meanders from topic to topic amd goes off on tangents with half-formed sentiments and rants pure stream-of-consciousness nonsense. Here’s are some breakdowns of just a fee Trump incoherent rants  YouTube is filled with it!

 

 


 

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Not only is he stupid, and blatantly lying (no one sells water in tetra packs)

Sure they do. Just Google it  The second one below is at my local grocery store and plenty more are easily available online thru Amazon, well.ca etc  

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Meanwhile back at the Biden thread...

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Over the past 48-hours, the gates to Harmid Karzai International Airport in Kabul were sealed off and Americans clamoring to get in, showing green cards and U.S. passports, were shut out for good." 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/08/31/american-citizens-were-left-hanging-in-afghanistan-circling-airpot-gates-n2595061

 

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5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s the most hilarious and false thing I’ve read in a while. You’re a brainwashed Trump worshipper who believes in far-fetched conspiracy theories and Trump’s god-like infallibility. Literally 100% of what you believe is based on who you worship and the long list of people you hate.  You are so hypocritical and your logic so twisted and convoluted, that’s how I knew from day 1 you had so little education and called it out how obvious it is.   You daily foam at the mouth over Hilary, Obama, Biden, Trudeau with insane, fabricated and/or exaggerated nonsense and then complain that people are anti-Trump?  LMAO. PATHETIC

Stop crying and making idiotic, baseless accusations and start trying to make some counterpoints if you think I'm just brainwashed.

All you do is rant like a psycho and cry about Trump but you never point to the spot on the doll where he hurt you.

Do you think this site is just here for your snotty insults? Speak, man. 

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You are absolutely clueless.  This is a perfect example of how ignorant and brainwashed you are. 

I'm rubber, you're glue blah blah blah. Grow up.

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The fact that HCQ is not an effective COVID treatment and poses serious health rusks is only half the problem. 

But 1) you don't know that, 2) no one had any reason to believe that HCQ didn't work back when the leftists started shrieking that HCQ kills people and turns them blind and 3) the Lancet's study that came out after all shrieking started turned out to be false. 

Literally the day that Trump commented on the HCQ study leftists just bombarded the planet with lies, as if they were working for Big Pharma.

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Trump is not qualified to promote, recommend or endorse any “promising new study” on potential treatments that he found on Google. And it was not “a promising new study “ There are literally hundreds if not thousands of researchers studying different treatments most of which result in failure as HCQ did. There was nothing particularly special about this obscure  HCQ study by this obscure researcher, it was in no way justifiable for it to be highlighted by the POTUS of all people.  It was completely reckless and dangerous and yet another pointless distraction.  

Grow up and stop being such a hypocrite. 1) Trump just mentioned the study when the leftists started lying about it, he never claimed that it was already proven to be the solution and 2) the politicians that you so dearly love promote the vaccines all the time, and they lie about those too. Shocker.

The gov't of Ontario even published a vaxx 'study' claiming that 92% of cases were coming from unvaxxed people. Problem is that the study started on Dec 14th - the day that the very first Canadians received their first shot - so not even one Canadian was dbl-vaxxed and went through their 14-day waiting period until at least two months into the study. By the time that there were a significant number of people 'dbl-vaxxed' the flu season had passed. The whole study was like comparing the number of home runs by Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds before 1980. 

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The fact that HCQ has been determined to be completely ineffective vs COVID is proof of that.  

Whatever has been proven as of Aug 31 2021 has nothing to do with the fact that leftist politicians were lying about covid last summer. I can't say for sure that the bogus study that The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine were pimping were done for leftist politicians or Big Pharma, but this is what your "science" looks like:

https://www.science.org/news/2020/06/two-elite-medical-journals-retract-coronavirus-papers-over-data-integrity-questions

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/04/researchers-retract-study-that-found-big-risks-using-hydroxychloroquine-treat-covid-19/

The leftists and their hacks just keep getting busted cheating on elections and lying about 'science' but you remain their leal stooge to the very end. 

 

Your videos about Trump were long and useless. Just the fact that Trump could speak, and hurt leftists feeling for 53 minutes straight, is proof that he's several levels above Joe "porridge" Biden. He can't even talk for two minutes without losing his words in dramatic and painful fashion. It's cruel and unusual punishment to let that old fart twist in the wind. 

 

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Military dogs left for dead after Biden administration abandons them in Kabul

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https://thepostmillennial.com/service-dogs-left-for-dead-after-biden-administration-abandons-them-at-kabul-airport?utm_campaign=64474

Anybody seen that movie Megan Leavey?

If you did, doesn't what Biden did here just make you want to cry?

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20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

But 1) you don't know that, 2) no one had any reason to believe that HCQ didn't work back when the leftists started shrieking that HCQ kills people and turns them blind and 3) the Lancet's study that came out after all shrieking started turned out to be false. 

Literally the day that Trump commented on the HCQ study leftists just bombarded the planet with lies, as if they were working for Big Pharma.

OMG How do you still not get it?  I literally can’t dumb it down for you any more than I already did. It is completely inappropriate for the president to promote ANY research given  that he’s not a scientist or an expert and it’s not his job….much less obscure experiments that are still in the early phases. In addition, HCQ turned out to be a failure, which surprised absolutely nobody except simple-minded Trump worshippers.  
 

Now you’re trying to pretend that HCQ didn’t become a right wing Trumptarad virtue signalling loyalty  test after Trump promoted it.  And that promoting HCQ is no different than promoting the ACTUAL vaccine?  Gaslight much?

 

Theres plenty of REAL-Time statistics  ON A DAILY BASIS on how many CURRENT COVID cases are from unvaccinated people and shocker the vast majority are in umvaxxed.   Here’s today’s stat:  23% of today’s active cases are in fully vaccinated people. That’s pretty consistent.   For those in-hospital or ICU it’s almost all unvaxxed. 
 

Ontario reporting 656 new cases of COVID-19
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2021. 10:19 AM EDT
504 cases are in individuals who are not fully vaccinated or have an unknown vaccination status and 152 are in fully vaccinated individuals. 
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15 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Military dogs left for dead after Biden administration abandons them in Kabul

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https://thepostmillennial.com/service-dogs-left-for-dead-after-biden-administration-abandons-them-at-kabul-airport?utm_campaign=64474

Anybody seen that movie Megan Leavey?

If you did, doesn't what Biden did here just make you want to cry?

Yeah I’m sure Biden specifically ordered that the dogs be left behind 🙄

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Biden doesn't actually run the country. He stands in front of cameras and babbles when he isn't trying to read off a teleprompter. That's pretty much it.

When we say Biden we can mean the Biden regime.

You know this Beave. Stop trying to pretend your clever. It doesn't suit you.

Speaking of your hero though, did you hear about his latest little misadventure?

Shouting White House staff CHASE reporters from Oval Office to PREVENT any questions about AFGHANISTAN

 

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1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

OMG How do you still not get it?  I literally can’t dumb it down for you any more than I already did. It is completely inappropriate for the president to promote ANY research given  that he’s not a scientist or an expert and it’s not his job….much less obscure experiments that are still in the early phases. In addition, HCQ turned out to be a failure, which surprised absolutely nobody except simple-minded Trump worshippers.  
 

Now you’re trying to pretend that HCQ didn’t become a right wing Trumptarad virtue signalling loyalty  test after Trump promoted it.  And that promoting HCQ is no different than promoting the ACTUAL vaccine?  Gaslight much?

Grow up. You're just harping on a leftist talking point that is known to be idiotic.

He didn't say that HCQ worked the first day he heard about it, but of course he was going to talk about it. It would be ridiculous for him to ignore it. 

Also, the study that discredited HCQ turned out to another example of bought-and-paid-for leftist 'science'.

Did you forget that it was leftist politicians that said that blocking flights from China was racist? That was completely stupid and it cost people's lives. Leftist politicians are always chiming in about masks and the science on fake masks is ambivalent at best. Leftist politicians are always chiming in on vaccines, and they're even lying about them (as usual). What's the difference?  Should Pelosi and Trudeau STFU?

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Theres plenty of REAL-Time statistics  ON A DAILY BASIS on how many CURRENT COVID cases are from unvaccinated people and shocker the vast majority are in umvaxxed.   Here’s today’s stat:  23% of today’s active cases are in fully vaccinated people. That’s pretty consistent.   For those in-hospital or ICU it’s almost all unvaxxed. 
 

Ontario reporting 656 new cases of COVID-19
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 01, 2021. 10:19 AM EDT
504 cases are in individuals who are not fully vaccinated or have an unknown vaccination status and 152 are in fully vaccinated individuals. 

Do these stats scream "sign the waiver, take a chance on some serious side-effects, or you're a murderer"?

Do these stats scream 'honesty' to you? 

WTF does "unknown vax status mean"? Does it include people who took Astrazenica? Is it people who got a dose of two different vaccines? Are people who go two doses of thee same vax, well outside of the prescribed time-frame, included in that stat? 

Why isn't there a stat for fully unvaccinated? Is it zero? 

These aren't "stats". It's a bunch of numbers which are basically meaningless. 

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

He didn't say that HCQ worked the first day he heard about it, but of course he was going to talk about it. It would be ridiculous for him to ignore it. 

Also, the study that discredited HCQ turned out to another example of bought-and-paid-for leftist 'science'.

LMAO you ate so brainwashed youe desperately making up shit. . Uh no it was ridiculous for him to talk about it at all.   Even if it had been “promising research”  - WHICH IT WASN’T  -the president is not the one who should be telling the public about it because he’s not a scientist or an expert and it was research in the very early stages and not even peer-reviewed. 

HISTORY HAS ALREADY PROVEN THAT HCQ DOESN’T WORK FOR COVID . THE HCQ WAR IS OVER AND YOU LOST. LIKE A YEAR AGO. GET OVER IT. 

 

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did you forget that it was leftist politicians that said that blocking flights from China was racist? That was completely stupid and it cost people's lives. Leftist politicians are always chiming in about masks and the science on fake masks is ambivalent at best. Leftist politicians are always chiming in on vaccines, and they're even lying about them (as usual). What's the difference?  Should Pelosi and Trudeau STFU?

When did not blocking flights from China cost people’s lives?  COVID came to North America from Europe. We can see that Trumps China travel ban was ineffective simply by that US was overrun far faster and worse than Canada even though he PARTIALLY blocked flights from China while Canada didn’t.
 

I don’t know what exactly you’re  exaggerating about when you say politicians are “lying” about masks and vaccines but it’s not possibly the same as the right’s deliberate fabrications on HCQ and now Horse dewormer as a sign of loyalty and the right-tard equivalent of “virtue signaling”. 
 

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Do these stats scream "sign the waiver, take a chance on some serious side-effects, or you're a murderer"?

Do these stats scream 'honesty' to you? 

WTF does "unknown vax status mean"? Does it include people who took Astrazenica? Is it people who got a dose of two different vaccines? Are people who go two doses of thee same vax, well outside of the prescribed time-frame, included in that stat? 

Why isn't there a stat for fully unvaccinated? Is it zero? 

These aren't "stats". It's a bunch of numbers which are basically meaningless. 

Do you seriously have these questions?  You really can’t use your brain to come to a simple conclusion without tour right-wing websites telling you what to think?

Unknown vax status means that as of this tome the numbers were collected that da, they hadn’t confirmed if the COVID patient was vaccinated or not.  That would incline right-wing fucktards who refuse to answer but there are any number of reasons why the province doesn’t always have a confirmed vax status for every COVID case reported by doctors across the province each day. If you’re too stupid to figure that out I can’t help you. 
 

Those are stats and they’re not meaningless. They’re meaningless to uneducated people. But obviously they’re not all the stats, just what was convenient doe me to copy-paste.
 

You can read the full stats here (this oughta be good - watching you try to read a scientific report has got to be like watching a monkey try to program a space rocket):

 

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

 

 

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16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO you ate so brainwashed youe desperately making up shit. . Uh no it was ridiculous for him to talk about it at all.   Even if it had been “promising research”  - WHICH IT WASN’T  -the president is not the one who should be telling the public about it because he’s not a scientist or an expert and it was research in the very early stages and not even peer-reviewed. 

HISTORY HAS ALREADY PROVEN THAT HCQ DOESN’T WORK FOR COVID . THE HCQ WAR IS OVER AND YOU LOST. LIKE A YEAR AGO. GET OVER IT. 

I don't know if HCQ works or not, and that's not the point.

The point is that I was absolutely correct when I said that leftists lied like motherfuckers about HCQ when the info from the first study came out.

If you don't believe me that the Lancet and NEJoM posted a bullshit study to discredit covid then look it up yourself. I already posted it several times in this thread. You have literally no excuse for not acknowledging that now, aside from abject stupidity or the fact that you're lying. 

HCQ doesn't kill people period, and that has been known for 60+ years. You have to take more than a Kg of HCQ to start to be at risk of vision damage. Leftists went hyperbolic against HCQ with blatant lies. They fought against it far harder than they fought against covid, and that's a fact. Just look for anyone on the left doing anything to fight covid before Feb 29th of 2020. There's nothing. But at the first mention of HCQ they attacked it like rabid dogs and they're still saying stupid things to this day. Just look at what I quoted above. It's completely retarded.

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When did not blocking flights from China cost people’s lives?  COVID came to North America from Europe. We can see that Trumps China travel ban was ineffective simply by that US was overrun far faster and worse than Canada even though he PARTIALLY blocked flights from China while Canada didn’t.

Oh my god and then you talk about stupid, brainwashed bullshit. 

Even if the most-likely-bullshit study that you're quoting is true, then Trump's travel ban still worked because it means that covid had to get to America through Europe instead of coming direct from China. Do you understand that? No one is denying that covid came from China. If they're saying that it got here from Europe then the travel ban worked. DOH!

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I don’t know what exactly you’re  exaggerating about when you say politicians are “lying” about masks and vaccines but it’s not possibly the same as the right’s deliberate fabrications on HCQ and now Horse dewormer as a sign of loyalty and the right-tard equivalent of “virtue signaling”. 

 

 

Politicians are committing your number one sin by promoting masks and vaxx. They should just stfu, right? 

Politicians are lying by saying that cloth masks stop covid. There's not a study that shows that. N95 maybe, but Trudeau gave all of ours away and got garbage back.

Politicians always lie about the vaxx. They claimed in advance that the vaxxes would be safer than HCQ (that original sin again - LMAO). That was a lie. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people died from the vaxxes. No one died from HCQ. 

They claimed that the vaxxes were going to give us herd immunity when we got to 80%. That's not the case at all. 

They put out misleading studies that exaggerate the effectiveness of the vaxxes. 

The only actual fabrications about HCQ came from leftists, including the Lancet and NEJoM.

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Do you seriously have these questions?  You really can’t use your brain to come to a simple conclusion without tour right-wing websites telling you what to think?Unknown vax status means that as of this tome the numbers were collected that da, they hadn’t confirmed if the COVID patient was vaccinated or not.  

OMFG, now you're saying that we should guess

BEAVE: "JUST LOOK AT THE DATA, IT OBVIOUSLY MEANS SOMETHING, I JUST HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT THAT IS! BUT IT HAS TO BE GOOD! JUST MAKE ASSUMPTIONS THAT EVERYTHING POINTS TO MASSIVE VAXX SUCCESS!"

Everything that I said was 100% percent true and makes total sense. You just quoted some stats that you thought were meaningful and I proved that they were totally useless bullshit. 

You coulda just said "Thanks man, I'll never quote that BS again. You just saved me from looking retarded in the future." Instead you doubled-down on the stupidity. 

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That would incline right-wing fucktards who refuse to answer but there are any number of reasons why the province doesn’t always have a confirmed vax status for every COVID case reported by doctors across the province each day. If you’re too stupid to figure that out I can’t help you. 

That's just a mixture of your conspiracy theories, stupidity and whining. 

Your stats say exactly what I told you they say and they lack the information that it would take in order for them to be meaningful. 

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Those are stats and they’re not meaningless. They’re meaningless to uneducated people. But obviously they’re not all the stats, just what was convenient doe me to copy-paste.

1) Stats are always meaningless when the most important info is missing from them. 

2) If there are stats there that are actually meaningful then find them and cite them next time instead of getting suckered and citing worthless bullshit

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You can read the full stats here (this oughta be good - watching you try to read a scientific report has got to be like watching a monkey try to program a space rocket):

You can try to read the full stats yourself and search for something that's not worthless, because you're the one who extracted pure bullshit and cited it in your other post (this oughta be good - watching you try to read a scientific report has got to be like watching a monkey try to program a space rocket).

 

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On 9/2/2021 at 12:27 AM, WestCanMan said:

I don't know if HCQ works or not, and that's not the point.

The point is that I was absolutely correct when I said that leftists lied like motherfuckers about HCQ when the info from the first study came out.

 

You don’t know because you’re brainwashed. It doesn’t work and nobody expected it to be a potential cure until Trump the moron uttered it in one of his idiotic ramblings and then it became holy water to his mindless cult followers.  At that point became a loyalty test to  or a right-wing “virtue signal” to at least pretend it worked.  
 

The Lancet retracted publication of a study that CORRECTLY said HCQ doesn’t work because the researchers wouldn’t release all of the underlying data due to patient privacy concerns. NOT because the Lancet believes HCQ is useful. But why am I explaining how science works to a high school dropout, I might as well try to teach physics to an orangutang.   HCQ has serious side/effects which increase risk of mortality. That’s ehy it’s only used for very limited purposes and COVID isn’t one of them. That’s just a fact, dummy  

On 9/2/2021 at 12:27 AM, WestCanMan said:

Even if the most-likely-bullshit study that you're quoting is true, then Trump's travel ban still worked because it means that covid had to get to America through Europe instead of coming direct from China. Do you understand that? No one is denying that covid came from China. If they're saying that it got here from Europe then the travel ban worked. DOH!

Ok you really have a reading problem. Let me spell it out again:  NEITHER CANADA NOR USA HAD SIGNIFICANT COVID CASES FROM CHINA. 

Therefore Trumps partial ban from China achieved nothing. Get it?  
 

 

On 9/2/2021 at 12:27 AM, WestCanMan said:

OMFG, now you're saying that we should guess

BEAVE: "JUST LOOK AT THE DATA, IT OBVIOUSLY MEANS SOMETHING, I JUST HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT THAT IS! BUT IT HAS TO BE GOOD! JUST MAKE ASSUMPTIONS THAT EVERYTHING POINTS TO MASSIVE VAXX SUCCESS!"

Everything that I said was 100% percent true and makes total sense. You just quoted some stats that you thought were meaningful and I proved that they were totally useless bullshit. 

You coulda just said "Thanks man, I'll never quote that BS again. You just saved me from looking retarded in the future." Instead you doubled-down on the stupidity……..

Dude just because you’re too stupid and uneducated to understand statistics don’t assume everyone else is. You’re not fooling anyone you got 100% owned and proven wrong. I literally gave you the exact numbers which ate reported daily in plain language…and because you’re such a bottom-of-the-barrel oaf who can’t make heads of tails of it you couldn’t respond to it directly. So you instead you just reply “haha me right you wrong, me smart you stoopid!”  You’re not fooling anyone dumbass, you got owned. 
 

 

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8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You don’t know because you’re brainwashed.

I don't know because I've never paid it much heed in the last year. If it was wildly successful I think that we'd know by now because someone probably did a worthwhile test somewhere.

What you still don't understand is that it was actually really important to have an objective study at one point and that never had a chance to happen because as soon as Trump said HCQ it became a political hot potato and the moron crowd went absolutely berserk on it and they still do. 

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It doesn’t work and nobody expected it to be a potential cure until Trump the moron uttered it in one of his idiotic ramblings and then it became holy water to his mindless cult followers.  At that point became a loyalty test to  or a right-wing “virtue signal” to at least pretend it worked.  

1) You really need to grow up. Your rants are pathetic and childlike. 

2) It's tough to say if something 'works' to the extent that Drs were hoping that HCQ might work, because a 0% mortality rate wasn't a realistic goal among the demographic that's at risk from covid after the virus has really taken hold. Basically, when you test people who are 78 yrs old, have co-morbidities, and are a week or two into their battle with covid it's just a fact that some of them are already going to die unless your cure is on par with 'antibiotics vs bacteria' and that's not normally a thing in the world of dealing with viruses. 

The hope for HCQ was that it would help people in the target demographic who used it right away when they first got infected, and that it would really help people under 70 from getting sick enough to suffer long-term effects, but objectively studying covid right now is like a death sentence for your career as a virologist.

3) It's really easy for people who have a stake in discrediting HCQ to rig tests to make it look bad, and those people include a] dirty politicians like Pelosi and Schumer who attacked HCQ when they had no way of knowing whether or not it would be effective, and b] people who work for Big Pharma who really want patented vaccines to be the only game in town and do not want off-patent medications like HCQ to work against covid.

4) Just to illustrate how idiotic your statement "nobody expected it to be a potential cure until Trump the moron uttered it in one of his idiotic ramblings" was, here's a snippet from an article that was done long before C19 became a cash cow: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7128816/

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Chloroquine is a 9-aminoquinoline known since 1934. Apart from its well-known antimalarial effects, the drug has interesting biochemical properties that might be applied against some viral infections. Chloroquine exerts direct antiviral effects, inhibiting pH-dependent steps of the replication of several viruses including members of the flaviviruses, retroviruses, and coronaviruses. 

I'll just say this again, your comment "nobody expected it to be a potential cure until Trump the moron uttered it in one of his idiotic ramblings" was nothing short of pure ignorance. You bitched about HCQ for a year and you still didn't even know a fuckin thing about the topic. 

In addition to the fact that HCQ has been considered to be a potential ally in the fight against covid, it's one of the cheapest drugs on the planet. If HCQ cold have worked it would have been the absolute best scenario for people from the 3rd world, right up to the very wealthiest.

I expect you to know all this now, There's no more excuse for you to say any more stupid things like you did in the post that I'm quoting now.

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Ok you really have a reading problem. Let me spell it out again:  NEITHER CANADA NOR USA HAD SIGNIFICANT COVID CASES FROM CHINA. 

Therefore Trumps partial ban from China achieved nothing. Get it?  

Ok you really have a problem with logic. Let me spell it out again -  if what you're quoting is true, then it means that the travel ban was a success, because...  1) COVID ORIGINATED IN CHINA. 2) ACCORDING TO YOU, COVID HAD TO GO THROUGH EUROPE TO GET TO THE USA. THAT MEANS THAT IF EVERYONE HAD BANNED TRAVEL FROM CHINA LIKE THE USA DID, THEN AMERICA WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN SO MUCH COVID VIA EUROPE. OTHER COUNTRIES THAT BANNED FLIGHTS FROM CHINA, LIKE JAPAN AND TAIWAN, WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT STOPPING COVID.

If your study said "All of the covid in America came directly from China", that would mean that the travel ban didn't stop fuck all. Do you understand that? 

Also, your statement that it was a 'partial travel' ban was just ignorant and stupid. He allowed Americans to come back from China, that's not a partial ban. It's a ban.

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Dude just because you’re too stupid and uneducated to understand statistics don’t assume everyone else is. You’re not fooling anyone you got 100% owned and proven wrong. I literally gave you the exact numbers which ate reported daily in plain language…and because you’re such a bottom-of-the-barrel oaf who can’t make heads of tails of it you couldn’t respond to it directly. So you instead you just reply “haha me right you wrong, me smart you stoopid!”  You’re not fooling anyone dumbass, you got owned. 

Dude, just because you’re too stupid and uneducated to understand statistics, you got sucked into posting worthless crap, but don’t assume everyone else is. You’re not fooling anyone - you got 100% owned and proven wrong. You literally posted numbers which are reported daily in plain language but don't actually mean anything…and because you’re such a bottom-of-the-barrel oaf who can’t make heads of tails of it you still don't understand that the numbers you posted are completely meaningless. Then you just posted a link and said "Find somethng in there that proves me right". And then in your most recent reply you just said “haha me right you wrong, me smart you stoopid!”  

You’re not fooling anyone dumbass, you got owned. 

This was your own idiotic, worthless post:

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504 cases are in individuals who are not fully vaccinated or have an unknown vaccination status and 152 are in fully vaccinated individuals. 

FYI that means that 23% of the infected people were dbl vaxxed.... and 77% were....WTF were they? Can you tell us all without making guesses or assumptions? No, you can't, so you just posted pure horseshit and you still have no fucking clue, even after you had it spelled out for you.  So instead of owning it and trying to post something else that was useful, you resorted to throwing a tantrum. 

FYI, Moderna will definitely consider you "unvaccinated" if you have one of their shots plus a Pfizer. So will Pfizer. If you get two Moderna shots, but they're twice as far apart as is recommended, they might still consider you unvaxxed, and a lot of Canadians are in that exact boat. So "individuals who are not fully vaccinated or have an unknown vaccination status" is just a completely worthless 'stat'. 

If you get this one wrong again you're just a complete idiot. 

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On 9/3/2021 at 11:32 PM, WestCanMan said:

I don't know because I've never paid it much heed in the last year. If it was wildly successful I think that we'd know by now because someone probably did a worthwhile test somewhere.

No shit. These are actually 2 correct statements from you. 
 

On 9/3/2021 at 11:32 PM, WestCanMan said:

What you still don't understand is that it was actually really important to have an objective study at one point and that never had a chance to happen

False. It happened and HCQ failed. Or more accurately, no OTHER scientists could find positive results when attemting to duplicate the one “promising” study. 

 

 

On 9/3/2021 at 11:32 PM, WestCanMan said:

It's tough to say if something 'works' to the extent that Drs were hoping that HCQ might work, because a 0% mortality rate wasn't a realistic goal among the demographic that's at risk from covid after the virus has really taken hold. Basically, when you test people who are 78 yrs old, have co-morbidities, and are a week or two into their battle with covid it's just a fact that some of them are already going to die unless your cure is on par with 'antibiotics vs bacteria' and that's not normally a thing in the world of dealing with viruses. …

addition to the fact that HCQ has been considered to be a potential ally in the fight against covid, it's one of the cheapest drugs on the planet. If HCQ cold have worked it would have been the absolute best scenario…

 

Hey moron for the hundredth time there was nothing wrong with scientists researching HCQ or aspirin or the fucking Q-ray bracelet for that matter and publishing their early results.  DO YOU GET IT?

 

What a high-school dropout like yourself CLEARLY can’t understand is that it’s a VERY LONG ROAD from one scientist conducting a limited study and publishing their results, to where those results are confirmed to be true.   Namely, other scientists have to be able to follow your method with different test subjects and achieve the same results, ruling out other possible causes of those results and that’s why HCQ was not a “promising research” when Trump promoted it. Do you mot now how many hundreds of drugs and therapies were being researched bu hundreds of scientists at that time?  HCQ was no more more promising that any others but somehow it’s the one Trump stumbled upon and made a pillar of belief among his mindless cult following.   Now they’re into horse dewormer. Please tell me about that one. 
 

HCQ failed. It’s a fact of history not a conspiracy.  And that part is perfectly finely. Failure and ruling things out is part of the scientific process. Intelligent people understand science is not like the movies where some brilliant genius finds a miracle cure on his first try. Science is dozens or even hundreds of scientists trying and failing until someone carefully studies and all the mistakes that occurred before and fails repeatedly himself and finally finds the answer that other scientists accept. Regarding COVID, HCQ was one of the many failures. The only thing outrageous is an idiotic president who had no business promoting any “promising research” because that is the job of scientists not politicians 

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On 9/3/2021 at 11:32 PM, WestCanMan said:

Dude, just because you’re too stupid and uneducated to understand statistics, you got sucked into posting worthless crap, but don’t assume everyone else is. You’re not fooling anyone - you got 100% owned and proven wrong. You literally posted numbers which are reported daily in plain language but don't actually mean anything…and because you’re such a bottom-of-the-barrel oaf who can’t make heads of tails of it you still don't understand that the numbers you posted are completely meaningless. Then you just posted a link and said "Find somethng in there that proves me right". And then in your most recent reply you just said “haha me right you wrong, me smart you stoopid!”  

You’re not fooling anyone dumbass, you got owned. 

This was your own idiotic, worthless post:

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504 cases are in individuals who are not fully vaccinated or have an unknown vaccination status and 152 are in fully vaccinated individuals. 

FYI that means that 23% of the infected people were dbl vaxxed.... and 77% were....WTF were they? Can you tell us all without making guesses or assumptions? No, you can't, so you just posted pure horseshit and you still have no fucking clue, even after you had it spelled out for you.  So instead of owning it and trying to post something else that was useful, you resorted to throwing a tantrum. 

FYI, Moderna will definitely consider you "unvaccinated" if you have one of their shots plus a Pfizer. So will Pfizer. If you get two Moderna shots, but they're twice as far apart as is recommended, they might still consider you unvaxxed, and a lot of Canadians are in that exact boat. So "individuals who are not fully vaccinated or have an unknown vaccination status" is just a completely worthless 'stat'. 

If you get this one wrong again you're just a complete idiot. 

FFS you are one of the dumbest amd most ignorant people I’ve met on the internet and that’s saying a lot!  Dumb as in you don’t know much. Ignorant as in you insist on not knowing much. You’re trying to nit-pick amd refusing to read. I copied and pasted the first line only but underestimated what an ignorant troll you are.
 

The colourful pie charts and simple labels in the link I provided clearly spell out howmay vaccinated and unvaccinated cases thwre are, how many are in the hospital and how many are in ICU. You don’t have to “go find it” it’s right there for even a higher school dropout to read amd understand. I think you know that amd that’s why you’re refusing to look or at least pretending to. It doesn’t paste easily into this chat

I get it I get.  People like you don’t have the attention span necessary to read or understand that’s why you dropped out of school. And desperate losers like yourself will use any excuse to avoid facing the truth. So I will chew your food and spit it in your mouth for you:

 

Full Vaccination doesn’t guarantee  you  will be 100% immune nobody said that.   it greatly reduces your chances of infection and if you are infected it greatly reduces your chances of serious health issues and hospitalization.  That’s just a fact tour ignorant ass will have to accept  

 

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data


Last updated: September 5, 2021 at 10:28 a.m. (EST)

In ICU

 
 
Unvaccinated 102
Partially vaccinated  7
Fully vaccinated  12
 
 

In hospital but not the ICU

 
 
Unvaccinated.  148
Partially vaccinated. 16
Fully vaccinated. 32
 
 

COVID-19 cases by vaccination status

 
 
Unvaccinated. 482
Partially vaccinated 98
Fully vaccinated. 198
Vaccination status unknown. 63
 
 
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15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No shit. These are actually 2 correct statements from you. 
 

False. It happened and HCQ failed. Or more accurately, no OTHER scientists could find positive results when attemting to duplicate the one “promising” study. 

 

 

Hey moron for the hundredth time there was nothing wrong with scientists researching HCQ or aspirin or the fucking Q-ray bracelet for that matter and publishing their early results.  DO YOU GET IT?

 

What a high-school dropout like yourself CLEARLY can’t understand is that it’s a VERY LONG ROAD from one scientist conducting a limited study and publishing their results, to where those results are confirmed to be true.   Namely, other scientists have to be able to follow your method with different test subjects and achieve the same results, ruling out other possible causes of those results and that’s why HCQ was not a “promising research” when Trump promoted it. Do you mot now how many hundreds of drugs and therapies were being researched bu hundreds of scientists at that time?  HCQ was no more more promising that any others but somehow it’s the one Trump stumbled upon and made a pillar of belief among his mindless cult following.   Now they’re into horse dewormer. Please tell me about that one. 
 

HCQ failed. It’s a fact of history not a conspiracy.  And that part is perfectly finely. Failure and ruling things out is part of the scientific process. Intelligent people understand science is not like the movies where some brilliant genius finds a miracle cure on his first try. Science is dozens or even hundreds of scientists trying and failing until someone carefully studies and all the mistakes that occurred before and fails repeatedly himself and finally finds the answer that other scientists accept. Regarding COVID, HCQ was one of the many failures. The only thing outrageous is an idiotic president who had no business promoting any “promising research” because that is the job of scientists not politicians 

Dude you just need to grow up to post here. If you don't understand that the Lancet and NEJoM bth got caught lying, and that the leftists lied more times about covid in a week than they lied about Trump in a year, that's on you. I'm not your covid sherpa. Get a life.

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15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

FFS you are one of the dumbest amd most ignorant people I’ve met on the internet and that’s saying a lot!  

In case you don't know wtf is going on, I posted a reply to citizen about the exact same set of stats that you brought to this site, showing just how many unvaccinated people had a chance to get covid during that time period vs the number of fully-vaxxed. FYI that study is 100% discredited as garbage now for the exact reasons that I stated and I'm not re-posting it just for you. Everyone else on earth understands now but you. 

When I correctly stated that you got entirely sucked in by bogus stats I was 100% correct, end of story. 

Now you need to understand that you're nothing more than a discredited poster citing a discredited source. You can't change that no matter how many snotty insults you throw down.

This is what your post actually looks like from a realistic POV:

Beave: "Hey poopyhead! You must completely ignore the fact that I was stupid enough to post stats which were intentionally misleading and a complete farce. You may only look at this and ignore everything else! This is the scary thing that the discredited source wants you to focus on!"

Summary - during the date range that your stats cherry-picked, unvaccinated people had over 60Million months during flu season to get infected with covid (14M people for several months, then just a bit less at the end) and fully-vaxxed people only had about 300,000 months. After flu season was over, unvaxxed people still had 29M months to get infected while dbl-vaxxed only had about 14M months to get infected (6M people for the month of June and 8M people for the month of July). How many fully-vaxxed people did you expect to end up in ICU after flu season was over? The study conveniently ended once there were more vaxxed than unvaxxed. How the fuck is that 'legitimate' in your eyes? If you can't explain that away then you're officially a waste of time. 

 

One more thing: if your vaxxes are so great, then try to explain why covid started spiking at the exact same time as the vast majority of Ontarians were dbl-vaxxed...... Cases were in the low hundreds in July, then in August they started hitting 3,000-6,000. It's literally 10-20x higher now that the majority of Ont's are vaxxed. Oh, I can't wait to hear the new stream of bullshit from your brainwashed mouth. 

 

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7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

In case you don't know wtf is going on, I posted a reply to citizen about the exact same set of stats that you brought to this site, showing just how many unvaccinated people had a chance to get covid during that time period vs the number of fully-vaxxed. FYI that study is 100% discredited as garbage now for the exact reasons that I stated and I'm not re-posting it just for you. Everyone else on earth understands now but you. 

When I correctly stated that you got entirely sucked in by bogus stats I was 100% correct, end of story. 

Now you need to understand that you're nothing more than a discredited poster citing a discredited source. You can't change that no matter how many snotty insults you throw down.

This is what your post actually looks like from a realistic POV:

Beave: "Hey poopyhead! You must completely ignore the fact that I was stupid enough to post stats which were intentionally misleading and a complete farce. You may only look at this and ignore everything else! This is the scary thing that the discredited source wants you to focus on!"

Summary - during the date range that your stats cherry-picked, unvaccinated people had over 60Million months during flu season to get infected with covid (14M people for several months, then just a bit less at the end) and fully-vaxxed people only had about 300,000 months. After flu season was over, unvaxxed people still had 29M months to get infected while dbl-vaxxed only had about 14M months to get infected (6M people for the month of June and 8M people for the month of July). How many fully-vaxxed people did you expect to end up in ICU after flu season was over? The study conveniently ended once there were more vaxxed than unvaxxed. How the fuck is that 'legitimate' in your eyes? If you can't explain that away then you're officially a waste of time. 

 

One more thing: if your vaxxes are so great, then try to explain why covid started spiking at the exact same time as the vast majority of Ontarians were dbl-vaxxed...... Cases were in the low hundreds in July, then in August they started hitting 3,000-6,000. It's literally 10-20x higher now that the majority of Ont's are vaxxed. Oh, I can't wait to hear the new stream of bullshit from your brainwashed mouth. 

 

AHAHAHAHA YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU’RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT!!! SHOCKER!!

😂😂😂😂😂

I didn’t cite a “study” for a “date range” …..I gave you the most recent daily stats of current active cases as of Saturday September 5….case counts that are published daily.   You didn’t  understand the text summary and started acting like an idiot troll so I posted the actual table with the numbers which you’re still too ignorant to even read  You think you were reading a “study”  for a cherry-picked “date range”.  To be dumb means to not know things bit to ignorant means to not WANT to know things, and this is just one example of how you are truly ignorant you didn’t even look at tue source of the statistics much less understand the numbers  

And the “one more thing” question of yours is basically:  “Duuuuh If vaccines work so well explain to me why the highly contagious Delta variant of COVID is infecting mostly unvaccinated people and is the worst in places with the lowest vaccination rates”

Duh. It’s a good thing you never earned that high school diploma because right now they’d probably be asking for it back 🤣

 

 

 

 

 

 

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